[Archived] Next protest

[King Kenny's Magic]

As I said, peculiar.

He sounds like Will from The Inbetweeners.

[JAL]

So come on then Braddock whats your way forward from a Rovers fans point of view.

[braddock]

Seems like you're a "master debator" then eh?

On a serious note i hope you don't talk like that to birds cos you will never get laid. Good luck Steve Carrell!

You really are hilarious.

[Stuart]

There's been no reason for me to be here recently.

The swing voters couldn't see the light and it was pointless depressing myself further by banging my head against the walls of this forum.

Now however, since some of the fools will be buoyed by a few good results, when they scan over a few sentences of logic it might actually have an impact on them which could be positive for the atmosphere at the club.

So let me just play that back... you've come back because we've had a couple of good results, and you are hoping to talk sense into a bunch of fickle fools, but you don't see any sense in banging your head against brick walls because that is pointless.

I see.

[braddock]

So come on then Braddock whats your way forward from a Rovers fans point of view.

Well, I'll have to make a few presumptions, so I'll explain those things first.

1. Rovers fans have no say in managerial selection or dismissal.

2. Venky's would prefer a good relationship with the fans but when it comes down to it they are here for business so will be doing their utmost to make this a profitable venture.

3. If they were to be scared off owning the club it is possible we would be in a far worse position than we are now as they would struggle to find a buyer at the price they would want and that's not even looking at a good owner for the clubs future. They are capable of simply staying away and fans over the other side of the world who greet them with such hostility will receive no empathy from them. That would be when any asset stripping could really come into play.

4. Rovers fans can have an impact on games through the atmosphere they can create.

5. Relegation would be awful for Blackburn Rovers FC, Blackburn Rovers fans (incorporated within, naturally) and Venky's themselves. It would hurt the club a lot more though. I don't believe we'd come back.

Therefore I think the club should now concentrate on what they can do to improve the chances for the team. Sure, vent frustrations against the owners if you wish, though even that may not be wise as they surely are an unknown quantity, but get behind the lads and spend your time at the ground lifting them. Constant hostility hurts the squad, even if it isn't directed at them. We are towards the bottom of the table so things aren't going our way much anyway and it's easy for the fans to get on the players back when they are in 'protest mode' and tiny things go wrong.

Our priority right now is not getting rid of Venky's. It is survival. I'm not confident others share the same priorities as myself but I am confident that one of those things will be far more beneficial to the other. If Venky's go we aren't safe, who could we end up with? That fraudster who went to Spain? I suggest we get used to them being here but I can accept civilised protests against the owners, just not until after the games.

[PAFELL]

Kean will never go whilst Venky's are here, it's that simple. The mistake that we all made was thinking the Rao's were like every other owner- shocking results + fan anger= sacked manager.

Now they obviously don't care about relegation, and their personal relationship with the Kean family is more important.

We have to somehow hope Kean can get us to 30 odd points and it's enough.

The owners are frankly a disgrace and need hounding out of town.

Neither venkys or kean are going anywhere. Lets be honest, there is not a queue of people wanting to buy the club. For now we are stuck with both.

We have to hope the players do their part on the pitch, for the sake of the club. Fans have to all they can to encourage them.

Heard venkys enjoyed, like us all, the man u match. I hope they liked it so much that they will change their minds about how the operate money wise with the club. I hope they want more results like we had v man u. To do so they have to sort themselves out.

[braddock]

So let me just play that back... you've come back because we've had a couple of good results, and you are hoping to talk sense into a bunch of fickle fools, but you don't see any sense in banging your head against brick walls because that is pointless.

I see.

No.

I am back because we've had a couple of good results and I hope to capitalise on a bunch of fickle fools in order to improve the atmosphere in the ground and thus hopefully the future of my football club. That isn't banging your head against a brick wall (like it would have been after previous results when they were far more blinkered), it's simply manipulation.

[Stuart]

I must say, Braddock, if nothing else, I've not missed your WUMMING avatar.

[booth]

It's tricky to keep people calm when they have no brains. To me it looks as though it is simply a product of the dismal lives many lead (out of their own control in many cases). Recession, ignorance and aggression don't bode well for troubled times in their hobbies. A more logical approach isn't something they are capable of taking and that is a shame. Fortunately we can rely on their fickle nature. If I was as convinced as they were that their actions were right for the club I wouldn't be backing down now. Since they don't appear capable of productive expressions of their frustrations I've come to terms with having to rejoice in the swing voters being so easily manipulated by the last result. I for one will be drumming it home to them to distract them before the next bad result comes (which it will, that's how football works you see) and the doomsdayers are jangling their keys like they'd do to a toddler, confusing, entertaining and angering them, calling them to alms.

Thank God so many fans are morons and not just pessimistic through and through as I had previously anticipated.

If only all fans had your passion free outlook on supporting the team eh Braddock?

Where are we in the league again? Remind us. Can you bring yourself to say it?

[braddock]

If only all fans had your passion free outlook on supporting the team eh Braddock?

Where are we in the league again? Remind us. Can you bring yourself to say it?

There are way of channelling your passionate frustrations.

Of course. 19th. We'll never know where we'd be playing football in front of sane fans though. I think it's likely though not certain that we'd be out of the relegation zone. We'd still be in peril, but then safety is priority and deep down we know the best way to assist the team in achieving that.

[Rover_Shaun]

Nothing like a home defeat against Stoke to concentrate the mind. This years match will mirror last years. 12 months on and Kean will serve up the same old Sh*t

[booth]

There are way of channelling your passionate frustrations.

Of course. 19th. We'll never know where we'd be playing football in front of sane fans though. I think it's likely though not certain that we'd be out of the relegation zone. We'd still be in peril, but then safety is priority and deep down we know the best way to assist the team in achieving that.

Ha, it's the fans fault.

So is it something in the water then? Mind control? Aliens? This mass revolt hasn't happened before so why do you think all of a sudden the fans have become "morons" as you put it?

[K-Hod]

I'm not going to lie Braddock, you're not helping yourself by labelling a large portion of the fans 'morons', being smug, telling us how to support the team, and having a Mrs Desai avatar...

[47er]

Neither venkys or kean are going anywhere. Lets be honest, there is not a queue of people wanting to buy the club. For now we are stuck with both.

We have to hope the players do their part on the pitch, for the sake of the club. Fans have to all they can to encourage them.

Heard venkys enjoyed, like us all, the man u match. I hope they liked it so much that they will change their minds about how the operate money wise with the club. I hope they want more results like we had v man u. To do so they have to sort themselves out.

Not much logic there. Much more likely that Madame Desai will conclude that her original premise was correct ------if you can win at Old Trafford with a bunch of kids, why spend money?

[Rover_Shaun]

I wonder where we ended up and how well the team did before WBA scored their 2nd goal which really kicked off the protests......oh yes the well supported shower of sh*te were already in freefall. Poor lambs

[braddock]

Ha, it's the fans fault.

So is it something in the water then? Mind control? Aliens? This mass revolt hasn't happened before so why do you think all of a sudden the fans have become "morons" as you put it?

No. I just wonder where we would be if we had been playing in other atmospheres this season. We would not be in a secure position, but I fell we would be higher making safety more likely.

They've obviously always been imbeciles but they've never had the opportunity to show it off like they have now. I was perhaps a little more blind to it when I was younger, believing I supported a team whose supporters main priority was the well being of their club. Like it or not safety is the most important thing right now and the fans in general have not gone the right way in preserving our Premiership survival. We can't make a difference of 10 points a season, but you aren't telling me they can't lift the players in any way to gain a few here and there, when compared to the obvious detrimental effects the flip side of the coin can create.

I'm not going to lie Braddock, you're not helping yourself by labelling a large portion of the fans 'morons', being smug, telling us how to support the team, and having a Mrs Desai avatar...

I'm aware of that but I don't care about others opinions of me. I do care about my club though.

Deep down people know survival is integral to the club, and deep down they know many fans have been hurting that. Me pointing it out so obviously won't stop them seeing it.

[RibbleValleyRover]

There are way of channelling your passionate frustrations.

Of course. 19th. We'll never know where we'd be playing football in front of sane fans though. I think it's likely though not certain that we'd be out of the relegation zone. We'd still be in peril, but then safety is priority and deep down we know the best way to assist the team in achieving that.

Like last season? No booing of the manager then and Kean took Rovers from the safety of mid-table to almost being relegated on the final day of the season.

I'm still waiting to see 'proof' of this backing a truly ###### manager = positive results link.

[Rover_Shaun]

No major booing before the WBA match finally broke the camels back. And we were an unfit, rudderless ship up to then too. As stated the probable defeat by Stoke will be a bucket of cold water for many

[braddock]

Like last season? No booing of the manager then and Kean took Rovers from the safety of mid-table to almost being relegated on the final day of the season.

I'm still waiting to see 'proof' of this backing a truly ###### manager = positive results link.

No.

It's more the link between getting behind the players and not creating a hostile atmosphere = improved results when compared to the opposite.

It may not be a huge change in fortunes, but it could be the difference between survival and relegation. And that is the important thing.

[Amo]

No. I just wonder where we would be if we had been playing in other atmospheres this season. We would not be in a secure position, but I fell we would be higher making safety more likely.

So I guess when Hodgson & Kidd collaborated to take us down in 98/99, it was due to the fans not playing their part?

And all the other clubs relegated in Premier League history. If only their fans had given that extra 10%!

Of course! Nevermind teams who lacked the ability or had completely incompetent managers. It's the FANS! They're the ones who really decide their fate!

Stop trollin' and go to bed.

[braddock]

So I guess when Hodgson & Kidd collaborated to take us down in 98/99, it was due to the fans not playing their part?

And all the other clubs relegated in Premier League history. If only their fans had given that extra 10%!

Of course! Nevermind teams who lacked the ability or had completely incompetent managers. It's the FANS! They're the ones who really decide their fate!

Stop trollin' and go to bed.

Other fans have not resorted to what we have been doing.

That's the difference.

If we had reacted the exact same as this season under those two managers then I feel we would have had even less points come the end of the season.

The fans may not keep the team up but it's foolish to suggest there isn't serious potential for minor impact, and when it could come down to singular points it seems bizarre to hinder your team in their quest for them.

[DE.]

Like last season? No booing of the manager then and Kean took Rovers from the safety of mid-table to almost being relegated on the final day of the season.

I'm still waiting to see 'proof' of this backing a truly ###### manager = positive results link.

The two major organised protests - at home to Arsenal and at home to Swansea - ended in victories, so if anything that link is a positive one

[Amo]

Other fans have not resorted to what we have been doing.

That's the difference.

Because they don't have Steve Kean for a manager. He would have been sacked by any other club.

If we had reacted the exact same as this season under those two managers then I feel we would have had even less points come the end of the season.

And that would have changed... what exactly?

The fans may not keep the team up but it's foolish to suggest there isn't serious potential for minor impact, and when it could come down to singular points it seems bizarre to hinder your team in their quest for them.

Doesn't matter either way. We're relegated under Kean, pure and simple.

[braddock]

Because they don't have Steve Kean for a manager. He would have been sacked by any other club.

And that would have changed... what exactly?

Doesn't matter either way. We're relegated under Kean, pure and simple.

But it doesn't appear that he will be sacked by us, so why waste your energies on that?

Do you know what it is like to perform your job in hostile atmospheres. When Andrews was being booed he performed worse than when he wasn't and the team as a whole seemed to do too. They look shackled whenever they are playing at home. Nobody wants to be the one to lose the ball and face the wrath of the morons.

Well that isn't true is it? We may be relegated with him. We may survive. Let's just do what we can to make whatever small impact we can make instead of moping around in hate.

[Rover_Shaun]

Wilcox (unlike Pedersen) had the mental strength to get beyond the calls of derision from the 'experts' in the Riverside. As did good old Super Atko, who got it from every angle. Unlike Keef he never skulked off to Ipswich on loan. He now polishes his championship medal every night.