[Archived] Next protest

[Majiball]

Bob,

Firstly Happy New Year.

Chap your missus talks too much sense and I like being aggressive, so if I say slip you a cheeky ton will you lock her back under the stairs for a bit?

If a tons not enough I'm willing to barter.

Deal?

Bucky your right his attitude is a worry and attacking fellow Rovers especially those who have been sacrificing their free time to the benefit of fans for far longer than GM has been around, is just not on. I cannot believe he is slamming them for not supporting him when he hasn't even bothered to find out what they do/are. The only way we (fans) will get anywhere is if we are united, attacking each other just plays into their hands. unless he apologies and actually bothers to be pro-active in finding out what they do/are then the protests no longer have my support, as not being funny given what he has said about them I wouldn't blame them on bit for not getting in touch with them, I know I wouldn't if in their shoes.

[glen9mullan]

Bob,

Firstly Happy New Year.

Chap your missus talks too much sense and I like being aggressive, so if I say slip you a cheeky ton will you lock her back under the stairs for a bit?

If a tons not enough I'm willing to barter.

Deal?

Bucky your right his attitude is a worry and attacking fellow Rovers especially those who have been sacrificing their free time to the benefit of fans for far longer than GM has been around, is just not on. I cannot believe he is slamming them for not supporting him when he hasn't even bothered to find out what they do/are. The only way we (fans) will get anywhere is if we are united, attacking each other just plays into their hands. unless he apologies and actually bothers to be pro-active in finding out what they do/are then the protests no longer have my support, as not being funny given what he has said about them I wouldn't blame them on bit for not getting in touch with them, I know I wouldn't if in their shoes.

Have you been actually reading these post? I'm sick of explaining this now,

Quick overview:

1. People was complaining about press release, my response: I'm on holiday and never had anything to do with it, and only saw it after it had been released, the quotes in there have not been done by me.

2. I stated I had turned down the opportunity of being involved with FF after club offered this, as the FF discusses none footballing issue's plus one of the the biggest things I want to see happen is an elected body of supporters to represent me and others, so that I have no need to go in search of answers in the future.

Anything else has been drawn from other posters jumping to conclusions and making the crime fit.

I know what the FF do, I have spoken to quite alot of its members at length, I have read all their minutes and have discussed them with the club on many occassions. I really don't see your issue here

[bob fleming]

Bob,

Firstly Happy New Year

Happy new year Maj!

No, I'll not be doing that. That was a siege mentality thing if you remember. A long time ago. We laugh about it now. Well I'd do, I get the feeling she's still bitter. A funny old six months.

Anyway, 'Divide and Conquer' anyone? Let's not fall into that trap eh?

We're up against more than just an inexperienced hopeless manager here guys. There's a football agency at work as well as the clubs PR company. No one in the Press is asking the right questions, and if it is the case that they're not allowed then ruddy well say so! Make it known!

P.s. Hats off to Andy Cryer recently, spot on.

[Paul]

I think the issue is you have been making critical remarks about the FF for some time when their remit has not previously covered football matters.

Initially I felt it wrong for the FF to travel to Pune but after discussion with several members I realised the FF was right to do so. Elsewhere the FF secretary has explained why the FF has not signed the "United" statement and I feel this was the correct decision. Currently the FF is the only body with a chance of speaking to the Rao family.

They have their role, you have yours. The aniping is not needed.

[Miker]

Glen, you haven't answered me what such an elected body would actually seek to achieve and what its exact role would be. The lack of leadership is worrying.

There doesn't seem to be a coherent plan or structure. How will the protests end?

[glen9mullan]

I think the issue is you have been making critical remarks about the FF for some time when their remit has not previously covered football matters.

Initially I felt it wrong for the FF to travel to Pune but after discussion with several members I realised the FF was right to do so. Elsewhere the FF secretary has explained why the FF has not signed the "United" statement and I feel this was the correct decision. Currently the FF is the only body with a chance of speaking to the Rao family.

They have their role, you have yours. The aniping is not needed.

I seem to be the one having to constantly defend my actions and any actions of people who protest, so naturally after 4 days of it non stop covering the same ground when I'm away, frustration sets in. I'm only a football supporter after all, and like everyone else I have feelings and also pressure's.

I have also had discussions with members of the FF, and publically defended them at the open meeting when others chucked massive accusations at them, I'm by no means Anti-FF.

Its just unfortunate that some members of the FF have for many months been attacking me so naturally, it does not paint a good picture in my mind.

However all supporters should stick together and hopefully when we have an open supporter meeting, all groups and lots of supporters will attend so we can openly discuss ways forward.

[Majiball]

For your information before you get your knickers in a twist, I know exactly what the fans forum do, as I took the liberty to find out months ago, and was well informed by Glenn Pegden exactly how it works and what their remit is,

I have also discussed it with the club what the remit is too,

So before throwing your wild accusations get your facts right,

In addition a couple of the FF members kindly attended the last open meeting.

You have obviously not read all the post.

The FF are non footballing issues, hence why we need an elected body to deal with footballing activities. I have no interest in discussing non footballing activities e.g Unreserved seating

When I have spoke to members of the FF regarding the current issue's I have been told its not their remit, I have always maintained they could have perhaps opened windows easier for us, due to them already being recognised by the club.

Hence why for the last time I will say on this thread "I declined the opportunity to take the club up on its offer regarding the FF, as there remit is NON FOOTBALL"

I don't wear knickers so twisting them isn't an issue I have to worry about. So in this thread you've said you have been waiting for them to contact you, you don't know what they do, you know what others have said and judge them on that and now your saying you've done it all. Which is it?

Your telling me not to twist my knickers and yet yours clearly are.

You slam them for not supporting you and yet acknowledge that they are nothing to do with the aims you are trying to achieve, it all seems very twisted to me. They don't deal with on the pitch and you know this so why should they support you publicly? It's clear to me that you understand it's nothing to do with them. You slate them for being unelected and yet no-one elected you and that's alright? It's exactly the same and yet you can't see it.

Now your saying we need an elected body to discuss on the pitch matters? Are you bloody serious, what on earth makes you think fans should be involved in that? I would never work for a club where the fans had such power, no-one would, it would be like having owners who made the decisions on who plays or not. Why does that sound familiar?

You quite clearly get that they are nothing to do with on the pitch matters so why should they get involved with on the pitch matters? Because you want them too, no other reason, if you get this, respect their wishes and do not slate them for not following your lead, you say you understand this, so display understanding, don't accuse them of conspiracy.

If you don't want to join the FF fine, that's your choice but as was clearly stated by the FF they never asked you and the club don't have the right to offer you a place as members are elected via the FF when on is needed.

It is clear to me that if people are not with you then they are against you given your public slamming of the FF in recent days, you can back track all you want, but you've lost support tonight by doing so. I suggest you take a step back, a deep breath, reflect on your goals and aim your vitriol at those who really need it, not those you claim to represent, the fans.

EDIT oh my god, now you have feelings and we should consider them? Did you consider that the members of the FF have feelings too and those should be considered, before you tar them conspirator's and label them as you have. I have lost all respect for you now.

[glen9mullan]

Glen, you haven't answered me what such an elected body would actually seek to achieve and what its exact role would be. The lack of leadership is worrying.

There doesn't seem to be a coherent plan or structure. How will the protests end?

Plan, structure is something I personally work hard on, however sometimes frustrations sometimes get the better of others, and I then spend weeks trying to repair the damage which has been done from those lapses.

I have spent the last 4 days trying to recitify things which were not of my doing, and ruined my families hoilday in the process.

An elected body IMO can work with the club on all issues which arise and be that link between supporters and club, It needs to be readily available for all to engage with, and be able to debate things in the best interest of supporters. It needs to also be transparent.

It also needs to be what the majority of supporters want, I'm just one supporter and sadly I like many others do not have all the answers and I do not know how this whole mess will end, All I do know if protest end, that will be a good thing because that will mean the club has opened up, engaged with its supporters and the owners have addressed the issues supporters have

[glen9mullan]

I don't wear knickers so twisting them isn't an issue I have to worry about. So in this thread you've said you have been waiting for them to contact you, you don't know what they do, you know what others have said and judge them on that and now your saying you've done it all. Which is it?

Your telling me not to twist my knickers and yet yours clearly are.

You slam them for not supporting you and yet acknowledge that they are nothing to do with the aims you are trying to achieve, it all seems very twisted to me. They don't deal with on the pitch and you know this so why should they support you publicly? It's clear to me that you understand it's nothing to do with them. You slate them for being unelected and yet no-one elected you and that's alright? It's exactly the same and yet you can't see it.

Now your saying we need an elected body to discuss on the pitch matters? Are you bloody serious, what on earth makes you think fans should be involved in that? I would never work for a club where the fans had such power, no-one would, it would be like having owners who made the decisions on who plays or not. Why does that sound familiar?

You quite clearly get that they are nothing to do with on the pitch matters so why should they get involved with on the pitch matters? Because you want them too, no other reason, if you get this, respect their wishes and do not slate them for not following your lead, you say you understand this, so display understanding, don't accuse them of conspiracy.

If you don't want to join the FF fine, that's your choice but as was clearly stated by the FF they never asked you and the club don't have the right to offer you a place as members are elected via the FF when on is needed.

It is clear to me that if people are not with you then they are against you given your public slamming of the FF in recent days, you can back track all you want, but you've lost support tonight by doing so. I suggest you take a step back, a deep breath, reflect on your goals and aim your vitriol at those who really need it, not those you claim to represent, the fans.

EDIT oh my god, now you have feelings and we should consider them? Did you consider that the members of the FF have feelings too and those should be considered, before you tar them conspirator's and label them as you have. I have lost all respect for you now.

I have no argument with you or any other supporter, I have stated my position on numerous occassions and have no wish to repeat them. I'm sorry you feel this way and feel free to put me on the ignore list as I have no interest in having a public slanging match.

[J*B]

Firstly: Glen please stop putting Venkys and Kean before your family. They don't need to ruin your club aswell as family holidays.

Secondly: How hard can it be to create an elected 10 that will be responsible for heading the protests? Give this group a name (that isn't Action Group) and have this group be responsible for all PR and all organisation. Set up a website where other concerned fans can write their opinions and concerns and these can be considered and acted upon by the group. You clearly have so much on your hands. There must be a concerned fan with a history in PR that is willing to work a few hours a week for free?

[glen9mullan]

Firstly: Glen please stop putting Venkys and Kean before your family. They don't need to ruin your club aswell as family holidays.

Secondly: How hard can it be to create an elected 10 that will be responsible for heading the protests? Give this group a name (that isn't Action Group) and have this group be responsible for all PR and all organisation. Set up a website where other concerned fans can write their opinions and concerns and these can be considered and acted upon by the group. You clearly have so much on your hands. There must be a concerned fan with a history in PR that is willing to work a few hours a week for free?

A website has been set up, but its in building stage, its live, but will address it more over weekend, We do need more bodies on board to help with the organisation of things, as its far too much work for just two people.

We need someone to offer PR and to help with press releases, We have tried to stay away from having any official name, as we just organise legal and safe protest and are not fan representatives.

Its hard sometimes not to snap, as I'm a happy go lucky type of person and this is all new ground to me, The effort which has gone into trying to bring protest to a close is incredible, the only reason they continue is the reasons we are all worried about. How we move forward i'm not too sure, I'm always open to idea's and people willing to help. In fact I plead with people to throw their hat in the ring and offer to help.

I long for the days were I can concentrate on giving transfer updates, and get back to enjoying football again, I never for one minute thought going into 2012 that we would still find ourselves protesting and the position of the club becoming worse by the day

[Brownie]

I wish people would give Glen a break. Those who give him grief should ask themselves , what are they doing to save our club ? I for one am grateful to Glen for his commitment and time.

[Steve Moss]

. . . their remit is not to discuss pitch matters but every other aspect of the club. You wish to change on the pitch matters and this is something they have never done in their whole history . . .

I think this is incorrect. The FF were offered the opportunity to send a delegation to Pune to speak with the owners. They accepted and went. They discussed footballing matters.

I was in favor of the FF delegation (the Pune 9) going and discussing matters with the owners. I still think it was a good idea. But the retreat away from footballing matters tells me the FF writ is not set in stone. Whether they interpret it narrowly or broadly is entirely up to them. But they shouldn't change the boundaries from one month to the next.

Firstly: Glen please stop putting Venkys and Kean before your family. They don't need to ruin your club aswell as family holidays.

Agreed. You need to focus on family, first and foremost. Learn boundaries and stick to them. Otherwise you'll only make the ones you love miserable. And while you may be willing to endure some misery, its not fair to the young ones to subject them to the same. They need their dad.

I wish people would give Glen a break. Those who give him grief should ask themselves , what are they doing to save our club ? I for one am grateful to Glen for his commitment and time.

Agreed 100%. I would have +1 it but the option is gone.

[Majiball]

I have no argument with you or any other supporter, I have stated my position on numerous occassions and have no wish to repeat them. I'm sorry you feel this way and feel free to put me on the ignore list as I have no interest in having a public slanging match.

Why would I put you on ignore? I don't even have Vinjay on an ignore list, every opinion has value. Also I don't remember slanging you, but yet you have been slanging the FF, because they are not willing to do as you ask. You can't have your cake and eat it, I applaud your efforts (as stated previously) but slagging off other fans who like you devote their spare time to the betterment of our club is bang out of order.

I wish people would give Glen a break. Those who give him grief should ask themselves , what are they doing to save our club ? I for one am grateful to Glen for his commitment and time.

I think this is incorrect. The FF were offered the opportunity to send a delegation to Pune to speak with the owners. They accepted and went. They discussed footballing matters.

I was in favor of the FF delegation (the Pune 9) going and discussing matters with the owners. I still think it was a good idea. But the retreat away from footballing matters tells me the FF writ is not set in stone. Whether they interpret it narrowly or broadly is entirely up to them. But they shouldn't change the boundaries from one month to the next.

Agreed 100%. I would have +1 it but the option is gone.

Please read the below line you two:

I think the issue is you have been making critical remarks about the FF for some time when their remit has not previously covered football matters.

So since Glen has been organizing the protests it's acceptable for him to say what he has about fans who have also been giving up their spare time to the betterment of our club for far longer?

No I'm not involved in any protest and I wish I'd never mentioned it in retrospect, you see I would lose my job instantly and jeopardize my other full-time job as well as being unbiased is a requirement. So I ask how many fans on here are willing to ###### their careers away, their dreams their aspirations for their club? I highly doubt anyone would as bottom line somethings are more important than football clubs. How would I support my family when I can't get a job in the field I can earn good money in? Or should I be willing to spend the next 30+ years flipping burgers to save our club? No-one on here would do the above and neither am I willing to do so.

In every quest the method is key and slagging other fans off, when they have devoted the same as Glen won't win friends or support to his quest. If Glenn doesn't wish to get involved in public slanging matches as he has stated, then quite frankly he shouldn't come on here slagging other fans off. He is not above reproach and his actions do not entitle him to special privileges. All he would have to say to stop people doing so, is to say one word and then it would stop, but he doesn't seem to be willing and so people will do so. At the end of the day the Pune9 tried to do as we all desired whilst in Pune and got given the same spin we have all received, christ Glen got the same with the facilities manager at Ewood, and yet the Pune9 are tossers for breaking their remit and doing what they felt was best to try and make a difference, exactly the same as Glen is trying to do so.

[Roost]

Reading the exchanges above, it would seem that there is frustration surrounding the fact that the FF decided not to acknowledge, and put their name to, the joint statement.

Perhaps the frustration is borne out of the fact that having the FF 'signed up' gives much needed credibility to the 'action group'? After all, the FF is the only group to have had direct dialogue with Venkys.

Good on 'em, if they don't feel the joint statement represents their group, then they did just the right thing.

Having a swipe at them for not doing so is childish.

Mentioning that you turned down an invite by the club (who can't make the decision anyway) to join the FF, is irrelevant and unnecessary. Perhaps the fact the the club invited you at all made you realise just how much credibility the FF has with the owners.

[47er]

Why would I put you on ignore? I don't even have Vinjay on an ignore list, every opinion has value. Also I don't remember slanging you, but yet you have been slanging the FF, because they are not willing to do as you ask. You can't have your cake and eat it, I applaud your efforts (as stated previously) but slagging off other fans who like you devote their spare time to the betterment of our club is bang out of order.

Please read the below line you two:

So since Glen has been organizing the protests it's acceptable for him to say what he has about fans who have also been giving up their spare time to the betterment of our club for far longer?

No I'm not involved in any protest and I wish I'd never mentioned it in retrospect, you see I would lose my job instantly and jeopardize my other full-time job as well as being unbiased is a requirement. So I ask how many fans on here are willing to ###### their careers away, their dreams their aspirations for their club? I highly doubt anyone would as bottom line somethings are more important than football clubs. How would I support my family when I can't get a job in the field I can earn good money in? Or should I be willing to spend the next 30+ years flipping burgers to save our club? No-one on here would do the above and neither am I willing to do so.

In every quest the method is key and slagging other fans off, when they have devoted the same as Glen won't win friends or support to his quest. If Glenn doesn't wish to get involved in public slanging matches as he has stated, then quite frankly he shouldn't come on here slagging other fans off. He is not above reproach and his actions do not entitle him to special privileges. All he would have to say to stop people doing so, is to say one word and then it would stop, but he doesn't seem to be willing and so people will do so. At the end of the day the Pune9 tried to do as we all desired whilst in Pune and got given the same spin we have all received, christ Glen got the same with the facilities manager at Ewood, and yet the Pune9 are tossers for breaking their remit and doing what they felt was best to try and make a difference, exactly the same as Glen is trying to do so.

Glen has worked his guts out------ for what? His football club, not for himself. Your sniping attitude and that of others is churlish and undeserved.

He is right to stay independent of the FF judging by Ewood Spark's attitude. I wouldn't blame him if he gave up altogether. What an ungrateful set of illegitimates we have on here.

[yoda]

Who's doing the public relations here? Seems very disjointed. I happen to work in P.R and these sporadic incoherent releases are amateur and will be having the opposite effect I would think....bet the hacks are having a right laugh.

get of your arse and help out then

[only2garners]

I made the post below on the fans statement thread last night. It looks like it needs to be on here as well.

As you will see our remit is being changed from next week onwards - we will be talking about anything to do with the club, including football matters.

As a consequence Paul Hunt asked us whether we would consider inviting Glen along as a guest for next week's meeting to discuss things, particularly the protests. We also discussed this at our pre-meet on Tuesday and agreed, but unfortunately Glen has decided not to accept. The offer was only ever to come along next week, rather than permanent membership as Glen implies, although maybe that was not clear in his conversation with Paul. Offering permanent membership would not have been fair on others who have been on the waiting list for some time.

As it seems to be open season on the Fans Forum again I will try to explain why the Forum have not put their names to this statement. We were asked a while ago to get involved and I know some members of the Forum have been helping agree the wording of the final statement.

We had a discussion about this on Tuesday night at the pre-meet for our next meeting with the club next Tuesday. We decided not to put the Forum's name to the statement. It was not a question that we could not get a majority of the Forum members to agree to sign it. The vast majority (although not 100% I suspect) were happy with the contents. We recognise that if we sign we may well forfeit any chance we have of dialogue with the owners. Everyone else has no bridges to burn but we still do, no matter how rickety they might be. I think we recognise that the chances of dialogue are extremely small at the moment but right now we are the only group of supporters who have been in contact with Venkys and we intend to continue to work at that link if we can in order to change things. I would encourage other fans to work at other routes to influence change but I think it's right that we continue to work at the tiny foothold we may still have.

We have agreed with the club that the Forum's remit be changed so that we can talk about anything, including football matters from next week's meeting onwards. We also want to talk to them about more frequent meetings in the current difficult climate. It seems to me that as we will be sitting down to talk to senior staff at Ewood next week that it would have been unwise to prejudice that meeting by signing the statement.

[Steve Moss]

No I'm not involved in any protest and I wish I'd never mentioned it in retrospect, you see I would lose my job instantly and jeopardize my other full-time job as well as being unbiased is a requirement. So I ask how many fans on here are willing to ###### their careers away, their dreams their aspirations for their club? I highly doubt anyone would as bottom line somethings are more important than football clubs. How would I support my family when I can't get a job in the field I can earn good money in? Or should I be willing to spend the next 30+ years flipping burgers to save our club? No-one on here would do the above and neither am I willing to do so.

In every quest the method is key and slagging other fans off, when they have devoted the same as Glen won't win friends or support to his quest. If Glenn doesn't wish to get involved in public slanging matches as he has stated, then quite frankly he shouldn't come on here slagging other fans off. . . . At the end of the day the Pune9 tried to do as we all desired whilst in Pune and got given the same spin we have all received, . . .and yet the Pune9 are tossers for breaking their remit and doing what they felt was best to try and make a difference, exactly the same as Glen is trying to do so.

A few things:

First, family is most important. Do nothing to jeopardize your career and their livelihood. First, foremost and always.

Second, it is far from clear to me that Glen started the "slagging off" comments. The problem appears that there are far too many groups, starting with the club and working its way downward, not speaking with each other. For example, the FF doesn't know what the club has said, Glen does, and the club may very well have [improperly] offered Glen a place on the FF which Glen [appropriately] declined. I tend to recall Glen being called a liar when he brought this offer up. If its true, Glen was "slagged off". If it is not true, Glen is either a liar or was just confused (which happens). Personally, I trust Glen more than I trust the club's staff at this point.

Conversely, Glen has been less than complimentary of the FF. I think it is disappointment associated with the failed Pune meeting, the lack of statement/minutes (which I thought was to be forthcoming), and the subsequent retreat from "football" matters. Ewood Spark also won the FF no friends with his statements. But I don't think he's ever personally called an individual member of the FF out and has even stated he agrees with many of the individual members of the FF.

In my view, the FF has done in an excellent job. I have no heartache with it's decision making. It is wise to be cautious and not put your group's name to paper unless there is a proper meeting and a vote. I do think the FF needs to decide whether its in or out of football matters, and not be jumping one way or the other depending on the month and whether a trip is involved. Whichever way it decides is fine with me, but please be consistent.

Finally, I admire many of your posts and appreciate your contributions. I hope you don't interpret anything I said as a personal attack, as that was/is not my intention.

[Darwen_Blue]

"The problem appears that there are far too many groups, starting with the club and working its way downward, not speaking with each other"

And that is the problem, there is no one united group of Rovers fans with a clear message.

[Rover_Shaun]

12 hours on and the bickering still continues. We all have the same desires and aims. We need solidarity

[glen9mullan]

"The problem appears that there are far too many groups, starting with the club and working its way downward, not speaking with each other"

And that is the problem, there is no one united group of Rovers fans with a clear message.

This I 100% agree with

12 hours on and the bickering still continues. We all have the same desires and aims. We need solidarity

This too

[Darwen_Blue]

This I 100% agree with

This too

So we know the problem, how do we go about uniting everyone..? Brfcs.com represents only a small number of fans but now through the joint statement that was released yesterday there has been engagement with the different fans sites. How is that now built on..?

Whilst there are many voices from different groups the campaign against Venkys will be diluted, ideas will be lost, people won't want to get involved because which group do they support and help..? And the message the media gets won't be joined up and will carry on making us Rovers fans look like fools.

All ideas from all fan sources need polishing into one clear message or statement of objective in order to galvanise all fans of all backgrounds behind the one common goal which is to save our beloved Rovers from going into administration. And if we can't unite as one at this point in our history then we might as well do nothing and all the love, effort and money Jack Walker put in was for nothing.

[forumquizmaster]

I made the post below on the fans statement thread last night. It looks like it needs to be on here as well.

As you will see our remit is being changed from next week onwards - we will be talking about anything to do with the club, including football matters.

As a consequence Paul Hunt asked us whether we would consider inviting Glen along as a guest for next week's meeting to discuss things, particularly the protests. We also discussed this at our pre-meet on Tuesday and agreed, but unfortunately Glen has decided not to accept. The offer was only ever to come along next week, rather than permanent membership as Glen implies, although maybe that was not clear in his conversation with Paul. Offering permanent membership would not have been fair on others who have been on the waiting list for some time.

As it seems to be open season on the Fans Forum again I will try to explain why the Forum have not put their names to this statement. We were asked a while ago to get involved and I know some members of the Forum have been helping agree the wording of the final statement.

We had a discussion about this on Tuesday night at the pre-meet for our next meeting with the club next Tuesday. We decided not to put the Forum's name to the statement. It was not a question that we could not get a majority of the Forum members to agree to sign it. The vast majority (although not 100% I suspect) were happy with the contents. We recognise that if we sign we may well forfeit any chance we have of dialogue with the owners. Everyone else has no bridges to burn but we still do, no matter how rickety they might be. I think we recognise that the chances of dialogue are extremely small at the moment but right now we are the only group of supporters who have been in contact with Venkys and we intend to continue to work at that link if we can in order to change things. I would encourage other fans to work at other routes to influence change but I think it's right that we continue to work at the tiny foothold we may still have.

We have agreed with the club that the Forum's remit be changed so that we can talk about anything, including football matters from next week's meeting onwards. We also want to talk to them about more frequent meetings in the current difficult climate. It seems to me that as we will be sitting down to talk to senior staff at Ewood next week that it would have been unwise to prejudice that meeting by signing the statement.

As someone whose job it is has to lobby government on behalf of a very diverse membership body, I have absolutely no truck with the FF on this. In fact, it seems to be an eminently sensible way to try and proceed.

[glen9mullan]

So we know the problem, how do we go about uniting everyone..? Brfcs.com represents only a small number of fans but now through the joint statement that was released yesterday there has been engagement with the different fans sites. How is that now built on..?

Whilst there are many voices from different groups the campaign against Venkys will be diluted, ideas will be lost, people won't want to get involved because which group do they support and help..? And the message the media gets won't be joined up and will carry on making us Rovers fans look like fools.

All ideas from all fan sources need polishing into one clear message or statement of objective in order to galvanise all fans of all backgrounds behind the one common goal which is to save our beloved Rovers from going into administration. And if we can't unite as one at this point in our history then we might as well do nothing and all the love, effort and money Jack Walker put in was for nothing.

An open meeting is required were all supporters interested can attend, I have already had discussions with BRST, and would hope the FF, Supporter clubs, and supporter sites would attend.

Everyone wants the same at the end of the day, and thats a well run club and for the owners intentions to be clear. We have seen many words, with very little action.

There appears to be no direction or leadership within the club and too many mxed messages or from my own personal experiences, broken promises and people giving the supporters the run around.

Communication breakdown has lead supporters to argue amonst themselves which is not healthy and I too have said things in the heat of the moment which in hindsight I should not have. If I have offended anyone then i'm sorry about this, including the FF. I'm just desperate at the moment to stop our club going into the abyss and that passion sometimes gets the better of me.

I have PM'D only2garners and asked him to call me (I don't have his number)