[Archived] Next protest

[booth]

Makes us sound like a team doesn't he? Paranoia setting in I suppose.

Apparently we "marked him up" when he wrote things we agreed with but not when he changed totally for some reason he could never explain. Odd that!

I'm just perplexed by how he can possibly have a valid opinion on the Ewood atmosphere when by his own admission he's only ever attended once. Try doing that with any other team and see if the natives disagree with you.

[mark]

Just seen this quote from Dunny:

"The fans have always been great for me but if they can keep their protests outside the ground, we play with more confidence."

Just wondering what protest organisers feel about that? Also whether protests still being planned for inside the ground?

Cheers.

[glen9mullan]

Just seen this quote from Dunny:

"The fans have always been great for me but if they can keep their protests outside the ground, we play with more confidence."

Just wondering what protest organisers feel about that? Also whether protests still being planned for inside the ground?

Cheers.

Results were bad and inconsistant long before protest, whilst Venkys have been nothing but bad. Our worries are far more than the results, and until we have clarification of rovers long term future.

Protest will continue and will always be carried out how the people who attend wish, If thats inside or outside I don't know, it would be unfair of me to comment either way, as we always put ALL idea's to those who take part.

The last round of protest were outside, but the Newcastle game is still on the drawing board, We are still in the bottom three, we still have absent owners, we still have players not playing for non-footballing reasons, and we still have half a squad wanting a transfer. With Venkys still unlikely to put any money in, and the financial difficulties well publicised, then all our efforts will continue to increase and intensify.

[davefarnworth]

Well said Glen. I'm one of the stayers-away (do to distance more than anything else). Once the pluckers pluck off, I'll be back. Hate what's happened/happening to our family and you have support from far afield. The cr#p in the media is a far reflection from joe public in my neck of the woods.

[mark]

and we still have half a squad wanting a transfer.

That's an exaggeration...

For the record I've no probs with the protests against venky's. I was just interested to hear whether you'd continue the protests inside the ground after a senior player has come out and said they affect the players confidence, which will in turn affect performances.

If you do continue with protests inside the ground then you could be leaving yourselves open to people saying you want the team's performance to suffer as a result of your actions. Now I'm not saying that but others in the footballing world will, and while I know that's not the case it's easy to see the logic in that conclusion.

I just think you've gotta smart in avoiding bad press that will give rovers fans a bad name.

[Roost]

Some very interesting comments at Everton yesterday, from both scousers and rovers fans.

"I saw a rovers fan on BBC world on Sunday night and still have no idea what they expect the protests to achieve. Any delicate questions were left unanswered"

"it's beginning to look like the protestors don't actually want Rovers to stay up as they will look a bit stupid for abusing Kean to such an extent"

"the 24hour protest was bizarre, I drove past at half nine and saw young chavs supping special brew and screaming at cars as they went by"

"what exactly do the protestors think they will achieve. Do they have any set goals?" (liverpool fan)

"the protestors have tarnished the image of club, not intentionally, but they have. They have also turned would be sympathetic supporters of other clubs against them"

"I am a protestor and want Kean out coz he is sh*t"

BTW, fantastic support yesterday, the singing never stopped and even intensified when we went one down.

[Stuart]

I guess posting negative hearsay is fine - as long as it is aimed AT Rovers fans, eh Roost?

[Roost]

I guess posting negative hearsay is fine - as long as it is aimed AT Rovers fans, eh Roost?

What's negative about it Stuart?

Whats negative about saying how fantastic the support was yesterday?

Whats negative about posting comments actually made in the pub? If I had heard a positive mention of the protest it would have been added to the list.

Really, read the post properly.................

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Id leave Kean out of any protests for the next couple of games. Considering our performances over the past month or so he deserves some credit, if nothing else he at least deserves to have the fans off his back for a bit. He's not getting sacked either way.

Keep it all about Venkys. They have so much more to answer for. Disgraceful.

[Stuart]

Do you know what's most ironic Roost. As you like to make a distinction between (real) fans and (evil) protesters?

The maximum protest number must be, what 1200? Tops?

Yet how many fans have stopped coming to Ewood during the Kean-Venkys era? 5000+?

If anything, the "fans who protest" are the ones still coming to games and vociferously support the team during the games - and always have done - whilst the naysayers shake their heads and sit on their hand, tut-tutting.

They do this IN SPITE of Kean and Venkys, and it hurts, but they do it because the love the club more than they hate the current regime.

No Rovers fans want us relegated (although some ignorant fans don't think it will matter anyway). I'm sure though that the "fans who protest" would accept relegation and all that that means if it rids us of the incumbents.

What's negative about it Stuart?

Whats negative about saying how fantastic the support was yesterday?

Whats negative about posting comments actually made in the pub? If I had heard a positive mention of the protest it would have been added to the list.

Really, read the post properly.................

So you don't link what you post in one thread with what you post in another?

[yeti-dog]

Id leave Kean out of any protests for the next couple of games. Considering our performances over the past month or so he deserves some credit, if nothing else he at least deserves to have the fans off his back for a bit. He's not getting sacked either way.

Keep it all about Venkys. They have so much more to answer for. Disgraceful.

I agree..2 wins and 2 draws from the last 5 games is creditable. Still has a lot of work to do to make up for the dross preceding it mind.

If nothing else it's a platform to build on and from looking dead in the water we've now given ourselves a fighting chance.

Venky's are a completely different matter of course...

[Roost]

Do you know what's most ironic Roost. As you like to make a distinction between (real) fans and (evil) protesters?

The maximum protest number must be, what 1200? Tops?

Yet how many fans have stopped coming to Ewood during the Kean-Venkys era? 5000+?

If anything, the "fans who protest" are the ones still coming to games and vociferously support the team during the games - and always have done - whilst the naysayers shake their heads and sit on their hand, tut-tutting.

They do this IN SPITE of Kean and Venkys, and it hurts, but they do it because the love the club more than they hate the current regime.

No Rovers fans want us relegated (although some ignorant fans don't think it will matter anyway). I'm sure though that the "fans who protest" would accept relegation and all that that means if it rids us of the incumbents.

So you don't link what you post in one thread with what you post in another?

.......and where have I said that?

Just so you know (as you never actually asked) I think Venkys have been an absolute disaster for the club I have always loved, and their ownership has damaged the club perhaps beyond repair.

[Stuart]

.......and where have I said that?

In every one of your nuggets collected from the Goodison terraces yesterday, you refer to "protesters". Not fans, protesters. As these people are clearly Rovers fans you are making a distinction, and choose not to call them fans.

I you think Venkys are a disaster what have you done about it?

[Roost]

In every one of your nuggets collected from the Goodison terraces yesterday, you refer to "protesters". Not fans, protesters. As these people are clearly Rovers fans you are making a distinction, and choose not to call them fans.

I you think Venkys are a disaster what have you done about it?

Yet again showing that you have not read my posts properly.

This is what I actually said - Whats negative about posting comments actually made in the pub? If I had heard a positive mention of the protest it would have been added to the list.

What have I done about it? Followed my team and supported my club. You?

[Stuart]

Yet again showing that you have not read my posts properly.

This is what I actually said - Whats negative about posting comments actually made in the pub? If I had heard a positive mention of the protest it would have been added to the list.

What have I done about it? Followed my team and supported my club. You?

So nothing then. You've shrugged your shoulders said "Venkys are a disaster, destroying my club. Oh well, ###### happens" and carried on as normal. Brilliant. Me, I've joined the protests, not every one granted, but I've made my feelings heard and helped to make our plight known. Do you think there would be anything in the Indian media if everyone just said "Oh well"?

People have done, and continue to do what they can to try and remove Kean and Venkys. Yet you think it's fair sport to post comments about "protesters" as though they are some outside influence, who "want us to be relegated".

I've read every word of your posts but I sense you only read bits if mine. You post in another thread that someone pointing out our no-clean-sheet record is "typical of posters on this board, being negative". Yet you make negative posts which are insulting to Rovers fans who have actually got off their backsides and protested.

We can all click the angry emoticon, Roost. Believe me, I'm very very angry.

[booth]

Some very interesting comments at Everton yesterday, from both scousers and rovers fans.

"I saw a rovers fan on BBC world on Sunday night and still have no idea what they expect the protests to achieve. Any delicate questions were left unanswered"

"it's beginning to look like the protestors don't actually want Rovers to stay up as they will look a bit stupid for abusing Kean to such an extent"

"the 24hour protest was bizarre, I drove past at half nine and saw young chavs supping special brew and screaming at cars as they went by"

"what exactly do the protestors think they will achieve. Do they have any set goals?" (liverpool fan)

"the protestors have tarnished the image of club, not intentionally, but they have. They have also turned would be sympathetic supporters of other clubs against them"

"I am a protestor and want Kean out coz he is sh*t"

BTW, fantastic support yesterday, the singing never stopped and even intensified when we went one down.

Haha, he took a notepad! Steve Kean and Venkys anti protest protest in full swing

[Hasta]

Some very interesting comments at Everton yesterday, from both scousers and rovers fans.

"I saw a rovers fan on BBC world on Sunday night and still have no idea what they expect the protests to achieve. Any delicate questions were left unanswered"

"it's beginning to look like the protestors don't actually want Rovers to stay up as they will look a bit stupid for abusing Kean to such an extent"

"the 24hour protest was bizarre, I drove past at half nine and saw young chavs supping special brew and screaming at cars as they went by"

"what exactly do the protestors think they will achieve. Do they have any set goals?" (liverpool fan)

"the protestors have tarnished the image of club, not intentionally, but they have. They have also turned would be sympathetic supporters of other clubs against them"

"I am a protestor and want Kean out coz he is sh*t"

BTW, fantastic support yesterday, the singing never stopped and even intensified when we went one down.

Which is a ridiculous lie cos I was there for an hour around 9.30 and no such thing was happening. Someone who is against the protest has obviously just made that up.

The fact is the club's board/management structure has been abolished. Like it or not, recent events have proven that Kean is culpable for part of that. Following the letter and the independent report, Kean should be more of a target of the protests now than ever before.

[Mattyblue]

Which is a ridiculous lie cos I was there for an hour around 9.30 and no such thing was happening. Someone who is against the protest has obviously just made that up.

The fact is the club's board/management structure has been abolished. Like it or not, recent events have proven that Kean is culpable for part of that. Following the letter and the independent report, Kean should be more of a target of the protests now than ever before.

Some of our fans look at things on a game by game basis and by what the medis goes with, ergo a few decent results and a hostile media have made up their mind for them.

We need to face facts, that Bolton game did our cause no end of harm.

Obviously, I don't see what is 'disgusting' about 'Kean Out' being chanted, but the media set the agenda in football and they have made a martyr out of him and demons out of us.

And it means we do not get the airing we should for the issues surrounding the real culprits, Venky's.

[Stuart]

Some of our fans look at things on a game by game basis and by what the medis goes with, ergo a few decent results and a hostile media have made up their mind for them.

We need to face facts, that Bolton game did our cause no end of harm.

Obviously, I don't see what is 'disgusting' about 'Kean Out' being chanted, but the media set the agenda in football and they have made a martyr out of him and demons out of us.

And it means we do not get the airing we should for the issues surrounding the real culprits, Venky's.

Which is ironic considering protests were called off for the Bolton game.

What's not helping is fickle supporters who, after a 'haul' of 8 points out of the last 15, believe Kean is welcome to stay.

Until the next two back-to-back defeats of course.

[glen9mullan]

Some of our fans look at things on a game by game basis and by what the medis goes with, ergo a few decent results and a hostile media have made up their mind for them.

We need to face facts, that Bolton game did our cause no end of harm.

Obviously, I don't see what is 'disgusting' about 'Kean Out' being chanted, but the media set the agenda in football and they have made a martyr out of him and demons out of us.

And it means we do not get the airing we should for the issues surrounding the real culprits, Venky's.

Totally agree, the organic protest which anti organised protest people took part in, set the process back weeks, and turned a sympathetic media against us,

This is why organised protest started in the first place, so that the message would not be lost in translation, once they went organic the press went to town on us.

Thankfully we are turning the media around again now after a few weeks of trying to repair the damage done, The owners are fully aware of why we are protesting and we need the media to be a constant in putting pressure on them.

Which is ironic considering protests were called off for the Bolton game.

What's not helping is fickle supporters who, after a 'haul' of 8 points out of the last 15, believe Kean is welcome to stay.

Until the next two back-to-back defeats of course.

Agreed

[ABBEY]

ramling again

[Glenn]

I have to back Roost's comments up a little (though not in the same way). More and more at away games (well, the less fashionable ones, Wigan doesn't count and I bet Bolton wont) who whilst are equally angered at the current state at the club and blame similar "dark forces" (be that the owners, people in the club, people tangentially connected with the club etc), they now see the protests as a wholly negative thing. I also have to add, we have a much better atmosphere at these games too.

The protest seem to have gone from being carefully co-ordinated actions by those who considered their actions and actually had a plan, to being co-opted by a group of predominately angry young mean with little plan but lots of "passion". You only need to read the Facebook group to see the outpouring of unfocused an ineloquent rage I'm talking about. Yesterday having somebody take a couple of punches for disagreeing with the protests is a new low tpp. I know the guy, many on here do and he's every bit as upset at what's going on as anyone, he just feel that the protests are doing more harm the good.

As I've said a few times now, protests are either about raising awareness or bringing about change (either through the threat of negative PR or the potential financial loss) and they've long since achieved the first (and hats off to Glen an co for doing that) and we're in the unusual situation of nobody making decisions at the club seeming to give a rats ass about the second*.

I think what Glen and co have tried to do is admirable and whilst they were still running things they were done with some level of dignity, but sadly the protest movement has now become a vehicle for the same scum the were kicking off over after the city game last season and I think you'll see more and more people (who want change as much as them) try and distance themselves from the protests as much as possible.

It's time for a new approach.

* A few days ago I had a long chat with a friend of a friend who is a music industry PR exec (quite a successful one) and he genuinely thinks there is a text book to be written about Rovers and bad PR, he described it as worse than Gerald Ratner and Freddie Shepard combined ... and this is from a Leeds fan, with no axe to grind).

[glen9mullan]

I have to back Roost's comments up a little (though not in the same way). More and more at away games (well, the less fashionable ones, Wigan doesn't count and I bet Bolton wont) who whilst are equally angered at the current state at the club and blame similar "dark forces" (be that the owners, people in the club, people tangentially connected with the club etc), they now see the protests as a wholly negative thing. I also have to add, we have a much better atmosphere at these games too.

The protest seem to have gone from being carefully co-ordinated actions by those who considered their actions and actually had a plan, to being co-opted by a group of predominately angry young mean with little plan but lots of "passion". You only need to read the Facebook group to see the outpouring of unfocused an ineloquent rage I'm talking about. Yesterday having somebody take a couple of punches for disagreeing with the protests is a new low tpp. I know the guy, many on here do and he's every bit as upset at what's going on as anyone, he just feel that the protests are doing more harm the good.

As I've said a few times now, protests are either about raising awareness or bringing about change (either through the threat of negative PR or the potential financial loss) and they've long since achieved the first (and hats off to Glen an co for doing that) and we're in the unusual situation of nobody making decisions at the club seeming to give a rats ass about the second*.

I think what Glen and co have tried to do is admirable and whilst they were still running things they were done with some level of dignity, but sadly the protest movement has now become a vehicle for the same scum the were kicking off over after the city game last season and I think you'll see more and more people (who want change as much as them) try and distance themselves from the protests as much as possible.

It's time for a new approach.

* A few days ago I had a long chat with a friend of a friend who is a music industry PR exec (quite a successful one) and he genuinely thinks there is a text book to be written about Rovers and bad PR, he described it as worse than Gerald Ratner and Freddie Shepard combined ... and this is from a Leeds fan, with no axe to grind).

I strongly refute this, and for many reasons. You have never been to a protest, and to label the good folk who take part as scum is very surprising from you of all people, The last protest was the biggest, and the people who attend are from all ages, I will always point to the fact of NO ARREST NO PUBLIC ORDER OFFENCES,

It does appear those who do not take part are quick to pass judgement without knowing the facts or witnessing first hand the movement. I was lucky enough to be in the 100 club lounge against Fulham and some of the people in there came over, and spoke highly of what we was trying to achieve.

Until an alternative is proposed, and hopefully at the open supporters meeting one will be, then I see no other alternative at this point

[Stuart]

It's time for a new approach.

Such as, and by whom?

[Hasta]

I think what Glen and co have tried to do is admirable and whilst they were still running things they were done with some level of dignity, but sadly the protest movement has now become a vehicle for the same scum the were kicking off over after the city game last season and I think you'll see more and more people (who want change as much as them) try and distance themselves from the protests as much as possible.

It's time for a new approach.

As Glen says that is very unfair . On the 24 hour protest I saw just a varying type of Rovers fans - young, old, different backgrounds and differing views on the team. At no point did I see anyone looking for any kind of trouble at all. I think if anywhere does attract the 'scum' element it now seems to be the local away game such as Wigan and Bolton which once were a must attend for me but now seems to attract anyone under 23 that thinks they can drink and give a bit of lip.