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[47er]

Such as, and by whom?

The Fan's Forum!!!!!!!!

[ABBEY]

bloody hell mr p ,i was kicking off outside players enterance after city game.never knew scum was what you thought when i see you.ah well.

[rhodie]

It`s a case of the weakest link with the protestors,you can have a thousand peaceful decent folk putting their point across and you can have 2 or 3 total morons getting abusive,guess who the press will focus on.That is where a lot of damage is also being done to the club and why all the rest are being tarred with the same brush.The fight will only succeed when it is taken to the owners back yard as per the Indian article today. Kamy was saying on his twitter that he has already had a reaction from Venkys pr.Common sense is keep it away from the ground where it damages the club and supporters and push it where it hurts @ Venkys.

[Stuart]

The Fan's Forum!!!!!!!!

Maybe. Didn't I read somewhere that they are looking to give the FF a wider remit to have a say on football matters.

[Tom]

I think the new website is a good move as the Facebook page can give a bad account to the public with some of the stuff that's on there.

[Stuart]

It`s a case of the weakest link with the protestors,you can have a thousand peaceful decent folk putting their point across and you can have 2 or 3 total morons getting abusive,guess who the press will focus on.That is where a lot of damage is also being done to the club and why all the rest are being tarred with the same brush.

It can't be stated enough that there have been NO arrests from any of the protests to date.

The fight will only succeed when it is taken to the owners back yard as per the Indian article today. Kamy was saying on his twitter that he has already had a reaction from Venkys pr.Common sense is keep it away from the ground where it damages the club and supporters and push it where it hurts @ Venkys.

Good news if there has been a reaction. What have "Venkys PR" (if that's not an oxymoron) said?

[rhodie]

It can't be stated enough that there have been NO arrests from any of the protests to date.

Good news if there has been a reaction. What have "Venkys PR" (if that's not an oxymoron) said?

Apparently they are slightly peeved

[Roverall]

It wasn't only chavs "kicking off" after the City game last year. Granted, there were a few of them climbing up Jack's statue, but there were also a handful of dedicated supporters (myself included) outside the directors' entrance chanting "We Want Venky's Out". And we were right, weren't we?

I reckon that was a better course of action than supping pints in Asian airports with Steve Kean.

[Roost]

I think he's just pointing out that the protests have attracted a certain type of people - not you (or the majority of others) yourself.

I have to throw my tuppence in, though. The original protests were right in bringing attention to the chaos created by Venky's behind the scenes. But, like it or not, the protests have since done nothing more than that. And in fact I feel they've made the situation worse. We've had good results lately and things might start to come together. But then there's you lot clinging onto to some form of psychotic vengeance. That's all it's now become. I don't question your loyalties or anything like that but I really question your logic. If you're protests go on and you have no regard for the negative consequences of them then you're just as bad and too full of pride as Venky's are.

The only thing that's prevailed lately is the spirit of Rovers. And that's FA to do with protesting.

100% Correct

[47er]

I think he's just pointing out that the protests have attracted a certain type of people - not you (or the majority of others) yourself.

I have to throw my tuppence in, though. The original protests were right in bringing attention to the chaos created by Venky's behind the scenes. But, like it or not, the protests have since done nothing more than that. And in fact I feel they've made the situation worse. We've had good results lately and things might start to come together. But then there's you lot clinging onto to some form of psychotic vengeance. That's all it's now become. I don't question your loyalties or anything like that but I really question your logic. If you're protests go on and you have no regard for the negative consequences of them then you're just as bad and too full of pride as Venky's are.

The only thing that's prevailed lately is the spirit of Rovers. And that's FA to do with protesting.

Rovers have always attracted a certain type of people--particularly at away games. You are still making the basic error that our problems can be sorted out on the pitch. They can't.

[ABBEY]

Rovers have always attracted a certain type of people--particularly at away games. You are still making the basic error that our problems can be sorted out on the pitch. They can't.

ostrich syndrome i call it.

[mark1875]

I have to back Roost's comments up a little (though not in the same way). More and more at away games (well, the less fashionable ones, Wigan doesn't count and I bet Bolton wont) who whilst are equally angered at the current state at the club and blame similar "dark forces" (be that the owners, people in the club, people tangentially connected with the club etc), they now see the protests as a wholly negative thing. I also have to add, we have a much better atmosphere at these games too.

Fair enough, however if we all took the attitude these fan's take at both home and away games, everything would just continue as normal because people would be continuing to just support the club, ignoring what is going on! We can all create a better atmosphere and not protest, spend our time in the pub getting drunk like these people do and enjoy our day out - that won't help bring attention to our club's demise will it?

The protest seem to have gone from being carefully co-ordinated actions by those who considered their actions and actually had a plan, to being co-opted by a group of predominately angry young mean with little plan but lots of "passion". You only need to read the Facebook group to see the outpouring of unfocused an ineloquent rage I'm talking about. Yesterday having somebody take a couple of punches for disagreeing with the protests is a new low tpp. I know the guy, many on here do and he's every bit as upset at what's going on as anyone, he just feel that the protests are doing more harm the good.

The protests are always carefully planned not just as a group of people but together with the police and with the club. There is nothing wrong with people having passion, channeling this in the correct way is important. Saying this i would like to know which protest you believe has been taken over by angry young men because, as we keep repeating everybody at the protests has conducted themselves accordingly hence why there has been no public order offences and zero arrests. Of course throwing punches at people is completely out of order, however people who disagree with protests have been known to throw a punch or three at those who protest, shall we now tar none protesters as a group of angry young men too? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and choose their course of action, however one person punching out at others shouldn't be used against the protests! It's wrong but castigate the individual not the group.

As I've said a few times now, protests are either about raising awareness or bringing about change (either through the threat of negative PR or the potential financial loss) and they've long since achieved the first (and hats off to Glen an co for doing that) and we're in the unusual situation of nobody making decisions at the club seeming to give a rats ass about the second*.

I think what Glen and co have tried to do is admirable and whilst they were still running things they were done with some level of dignity, but sadly the protest movement has now become a vehicle for the same scum the were kicking off over after the city game last season and I think you'll see more and more people (who want change as much as them) try and distance themselves from the protests as much as possible.

The protest movement has, as i said done a hell of a lot more to raise awareness than those sat in pub's and creating a 'good atmosphere' at away games, the very same people whom the majority of were happy to join in with the debacle at the Bolton game, that was not getting behind the team, it was doing what suits them.

I completely resent the section in bold, as somebody who does not attend the protests i would like to know where you have got the idea the protest movement now attracts 'scum'? I'm amazed that this has been posted by you tbh, the latest protest was conducted with immaculate behaviour from all those who attended and if someone has something they know which suggests otherwise i would like to hear it!

It's time for a new approach.

Again, let's hear it? Then maybe we can try it! May i remind people that sight-seeing trips and attending garden party's with 'Bala' had zero affect whatsoever except to create good publicity for the owners! I am proud to have been doing what i did since September and whatever the outcome is, I know i have done what i thought was right and tried my very very best! Equally i am as proud of those people who have stood shoulder to shoulder in doing it with us.

* A few days ago I had a long chat with a friend of a friend who is a music industry PR exec (quite a successful one) and he genuinely thinks there is a text book to be written about Rovers and bad PR, he described it as worse than Gerald Ratner and Freddie Shepard combined ... and this is from a Leeds fan, with no axe to grind).

[sijoco]

But then there's you lot clinging onto to some form of psychotic vengeance.

Have a word with yourself, my 10 year old son protests, l have never asked him to, he wants to, he can see whats happening. Psychotic vengeance? Sounds like a Michael Winner film, get a grip.

[Glenn]

I strongly refute this, and for many reasons. You have never been to a protest, and to label the good folk who take part as scum is very surprising from you of all people, The last protest was the biggest, and the people who attend are from all ages, I will always point to the fact of NO ARREST NO PUBLIC ORDER OFFENCES,

It does appear those who do not take part are quick to pass judgement without knowing the facts or witnessing first hand the movement. I was lucky enough to be in the 100 club lounge against Fulham and some of the people in there came over, and spoke highly of what we was trying to achieve.

Until an alternative is proposed, and hopefully at the open supporters meeting one will be, then I see no other alternative at this point

If that's how you understood it, then I worded it badly, I don't mean to confuse people who have attended the previous protests and the group now dubbed "protesters". The protests you organised, we're exactly what they should have been, an impeccably behaved mix of people, I'd never try and say different and I have publicly applauded you for it, many many of my friends took part and I support them in doing so. The problem is your good work is rapidly being undone by bandwagon jumpers, who aren't following in your footsteps. I too have spoken highly of what YOU were trying to achieve (and DID achieve), I certainly have no intention to claim otherwise, only that others are now acting in the name of the movement you started in a way you wouldn't be happy with ... and more and more people are starting to notice this. The club and owners aren't the only ones with PR problems, the fans are starting to get one too.

I too hope somebody proposes an alternative, though some are being worked on already (c.v. Agent Kamy and Project Qatar), but we need more.

The way I see it we have two problems that need addressing.

1. Key influencers at the club (staff and the owners) making decisions the fans feels are detrimental to the club

2. The owners not yet investing a level of money into the club that fans feel is satisfactory.

Those two things combined will end the club in no time.

Now. Unless we can expose previously unreleased information (which people ARE working on) then 1 is never going to happen through fan power. Now if the club was in a position of wanting to learn from the fans, then everyone from the Ian Battersby's and Wayne Wilds of this world, down to the guys who know everything he knows about Rovers from occasional trips to Ewood and what he reads in the program, could tell them what's wrong (and even potentially how to fix it). But the number of people willing to listen and their influence, seems to be dropping rapidly.

The second one. Well, with hindsight and talking to people about PETA vs AD, then there was only ever going to be one outcome. I truly believe whilst other people in the organisation/family genuinely believed they'd come good on their promises, whilst AD controls the money and splashing it around would be seen to be giving into people protesting against her, it's simply not going to happen. That is the bigger problem. It took 6yrs to find a buyer when we were the best run club in the country and the best we managed was Venkys. We possibly had a small miraculous window with a fairytale buyer, but that's now gone. With no buyer, our only hope is convincing AD to spend and no amount of protesting is going to make that happen.

[glen9mullan]

I think he's just pointing out that the protests have attracted a certain type of people - not you (or the majority of others) yourself.

I have to throw my tuppence in, though. The original protests were right in bringing attention to the chaos created by Venky's behind the scenes. But, like it or not, the protests have since done nothing more than that. And in fact I feel they've made the situation worse. We've had good results lately and things might start to come together. But then there's you lot clinging onto to some form of psychotic vengeance. That's all it's now become. I don't question your loyalties or anything like that but I really question your logic. If you're protests go on and you have no regard for the negative consequences of them then you're just as bad and too full of pride as Venky's are.

The only thing that's prevailed lately is the spirit of Rovers. And that's FA to do with protesting.

Again these certain type of people you talk about, confuses me and annoys me, what is a certain type of person. I will stand up and defend all protesters till the cows come home, as their conduct has been excellent, its a shame the same can't be said about the anti protesters, who imo have caused far more damage by doing nothing than those who protest ever will.

Bad results and the club in turmoil happenedl ong before protest, now the whole world is switched on to rovers position, and until the reasons people are protesting are addressed then protest will continue, If others which to sit by and do nothing thats their choice, but having a go at those who choose to be pro-active is low.

Any media, People with stature etc which have spoken out has stemmed from protest starting and continuing, When we need unity and everyone singing from the same hymn sheet we still have those praying for a miracle. I like others tend to be people who controls their own destiny rather than just accept what will be will be

[sijoco]

When I was 10 I wanted to be an astronaut.

Congratulations, you have achieved your goal. Which planet are you on today?

EDIT: The point l was making is that someone who doesn't watch the news or read the papers and is only interest in Saturdays can see whats going on. If it makes you feel better you insult my son's intelligence to get your point across.

[glen9mullan]

All protesters. Excellent conduct. I'm sure the majority have, but you seriously aren't condoning a pro-protester punching an anti-protester in the face, are you?

Was there an organised protest at Everton?? Answer NO, Have I been attacked by an anti protester? Answer Yes,

I do not condone violence, and its very easy for people to blame the protester when things go pear shaped, but as Roost started this line within the thread, I would ask him, Does he condone one of HIS BEST FRIENDS attacking me?? Thankfully the Police have intervened there and given him a 12 month order.

I'm getting tired of reading agenda's from people who have had it in for the protesters from day one, so sorry if you think I'm having a go at you., as that is not my intention, I think you would be very surprised if you attended a protest.

Think its also interesting that the upcoming BRFCS dinner, many of the protesters have bought tickets in last 48 hours to help raise money for the cause and enjoy more of the rovers community spirit. They have also bent over backwards to ensure there is prizes to raffle at this event too.

In addition MP's who WE contacted and the club sponsor has nailed their colours to the rovers cause mass.

[mark]

Common sense is keep it away from the ground where it damages the club and supporters and push it where it hurts @ Venkys.

Agreed.

The only thing that's prevailed lately is the spirit of Rovers. And that's FA to do with protesting.

Hear Hear.

[Glenn]

As Glen says that is very unfair . On the 24 hour protest I saw just a varying type of Rovers fans - young, old, different backgrounds and differing views on the team. At no point did I see anyone looking for any kind of trouble at all. I think if anywhere does attract the 'scum' element it now seems to be the local away game such as Wigan and Bolton which once were a must attend for me but now seems to attract anyone under 23 that thinks they can drink and give a bit of lip.

My long reply to Glen covered that, but yes, I was making the point that the "protest movement" has now been hijacked, not the previous protests (BTW Glen, I have been there, who do you think shot this http://www.twitpic.com/876w94 )

The Fan's Forum!!!!!!!!

Can I respond to that in 24hrs.

bloody hell mr p ,i was kicking off outside players enterance after city game.never knew scum was what you thought when i see you.ah well.

Again, missing the point Abs. I've known you for a long time and whilst you can be a bit loud at times, you're not the kind of guy that's gonna slap somebody for disagreeing with you.

It`s a case of the weakest link with the protestors,you can have a thousand peaceful decent folk putting their point across and you can have 2 or 3 total morons getting abusive,guess who the press will focus on.That is where a lot of damage is also being done to the club and why all the rest are being tarred with the same brush.The fight will only succeed when it is taken to the owners back yard as per the Indian article today. Kamy was saying on his twitter that he has already had a reaction from Venkys pr.Common sense is keep it away from the ground where it damages the club and supporters and push it where it hurts @ Venkys.

This! That makes my point much more suscintly than I can. All the good work done so far could be undone very very quickly if things don't change.

I think the new website is a good move as the Facebook page can give a bad account to the public with some of the stuff that's on there.

I'd actually removed myself from the Facebook group in case anyone I work with things that *SOME* of the people are the kind of people I associate with at football.

It wasn't only chavs "kicking off" after the City game last year. Granted, there were a few of them climbing up Jack's statue, but there were also a handful of dedicated supporters (myself included) outside the directors' entrance chanting "We Want Venky's Out". And we were right, weren't we?

I reckon that was a better course of action than supping pints in Asian airports with Steve Kean.

Yeah, sorry, again, I didn't mean to imply that EVERYONE there fit that mould, just that it was the perception of many there. Oh and I've never spoken to SK, much less shared a drink with him (or even been at the same airport as him). He's is one of the 4 people I believe are responsible for the current mess and I'd be happy to tell him that.

The only thing that's prevailed lately is the spirit of Rovers. And that's FA to do with protesting.

Indeed! And I'm worried we're heading for a crash, you can already sense it at home games, any match-time protest always seems to be met with fan vs fan agro.

Rovers have always attracted a certain type of people--particularly at away games. You are still making the basic error that our problems can be sorted out on the pitch. They can't.

I agree. The on the pitch stuff seems almost incidental now.

(oh and special mention to mark, who whilst he may not have agreed with at least understood what I was getting at and was polite about it)

[ABBEY]

glen cheers im half cut watching nfl lol

[Tom]

So in other words abbey - Your typical Sunday

[Glenn]

Glen. You seem to be confusing people attending protests (who I have no reason to criticize and in fact I applaud), with those who now act in your name (or at least in the name of the movement you started).

... which is kinda the problem. Everyone else will do that too. And it'll be a big problem for you.

[ABBEY]

All protesters. Excellent conduct. I'm sure the majority have, but you seriously aren't condoning a pro-protester punching an anti-protester in the face, are you?

the only thing ive seen twice is anti protesters mouthing off at me and wanting a go and one occassion four of them !!

none backed it up tho.

[Roost]

Was there an organised protest at Everton?? Answer NO, Have I been attacked by an anti protester? Answer Yes,

I do not condone violence, and its very easy for people to blame the protester when things go pear shaped, but as Roost started this line within the thread, I would ask him, Does he condone one of HIS BEST FRIENDS attacking me?? Thankfully the Police have intervened there and given him a 12 month order.

I'm getting tired of reading agenda's from people who have had it in for the protesters from day one, so sorry if you think I'm having a go at you., as that is not my intention, I think you would be very surprised if you attended a protest.

Think its also interesting that the upcoming BRFCS dinner, many of the protesters have bought tickets in last 48 hours to help raise money for the cause and enjoy more of the rovers community spirit. They have also bent over backwards to ensure there is prizes to raffle at this event too.

In addition MP's who WE contacted and the club sponsor has nailed their colours to the rovers cause mass.

Glen, please explain your comment. What line have I started within this thread to make you feel that you need to tell everyone IN CAPITALS, that I know the person that attacked you at Wigan. He is known to many on here, so what are you alluding to? Just so you know, he is well aware of what I thought of his actions that day.

You know nothing about me, so in future avoid making assumptions about me or who my best friends are. As you have said on here many times, you treat people with respect and expect he same in return. What changed tonight?

[ABBEY]

Agreed.

Hear Hear.

how many points at home with protests V without?

So in other words abbey - Your typical Sunday

wouldnt swap it ha...not worked a monday in 8 weeks lol