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[Majiball]

Kean will continue to drive a wedge between the fans. Its been his strategy ever since the protests began.

One assumes that Jerome and Agnew are well snuggled up in the strategy planning side of things.

[Pedro]

The boo actually came when Kean appeared on the big screen didn't it?

I don't know, I wasn't aware it was on the big screen.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

We are one manager and one defensive midfielder from being a pretty decent team IMO. Bolton are horrible this year, and I'd say we are about level with Wolves at this point in time. Sunderland and Fulham have stronger squads and better form though.

Jim got it right again matey. Without a couple of guys being acquired in January who know how to mark up and put a tackle in we're doomed. Unless they change the Prem into a five-a-side league then we'd be OK.

[Hekla]

I think with a decent manager we would be better than quite a few clubs above us. It is a shame we are wasting our potential with a wasteful manager.

[Pedro]

Kean will continue to drive a wedge between the fans. Its been his strategy ever since the protests began.

I don't see it that way, people like me don't hang on the words of Kean and take him with a fistful of salt. From my perspective and the majority of the people around me yesterday, it is the timing of certain protests (especially the plane and mid-game chanting) that is really driving the wedge between the supporters. I also feel that a lot of people don't like to be told what to do and when, and from the outside looking in it seems that is going on via the organizers of the protests. Other things that affect them joining in are not wanting to be associated with the pantomime element of the protests too. Someone left a good post on the "Next Protest" thread that I think gives a balanced opinion on things (sorry, I can't remember the posters name though).

[USABlue]

I agree, swapping wingers ( right footer on the left and vice versa ) is flavour of the month at the moment but I don't believe it's the best policy especially for teams like Rovers. All it leads to is wingers being funnelled into and and accross an already crowded penalty area. You ask any defender which situation is easiest to defend against, the player getting outside the defence and turning the back four around or the player being funnelled across the edge of the box in front of the back four ? I played in defence and it's no contest.

HAve to agree, I am not fond of this cutting in either, it allows the defenders to continue to have their backs to goal. I prefer the winger go down the flank and whip in crosses that get defenders facing their own goal, not rocket science I don't think.

[Rover_Shaun]

How stupid are some people?

Nobody booed THE TEAM. Poeple booed Kean when he was lapping up the high fives.

[Blue n White Rover]

Affected them to the tune of a 4-2 victory? Kean should be thanking the boo-boys, if anything.

Again, I don't think they were booing the goal. They've always been behind the players. It's Kean they have the problem with, so logic would dictate it was the sight of Kean lapping it up which sparked the boos.

It would make no difference.

The media would still see protests after a win and call all involved a bunch of crazy ingrates. They don't get it.

They don't get it. I agree. I want Kean out as much as anybody else on the MB. I've seen enough in the last 12 months to tell me he's not up to the job.

However, was I booing when we scored? No.

Was I booing during the game? No.

Do I still want Kean out? Yes.

My point being, booing during the game is more likely to affect the players than Kean.

[47er]

I don't see it that way, people like me don't hang on the words of Kean and take him with a fistful of salt. From my perspective and the majority of the people around me yesterday, it is the timing of certain protests (especially the plane and mid-game chanting) that is really driving the wedge between the supporters. I also feel that a lot of people don't like to be told what to do and when, and from the outside looking in it seems that is going on via the organizers of the protests. Other things that affect them joining in are not wanting to be associated with the pantomime element of the protests too. Someone left a good post on the "Next Protest" thread that I think gives a balanced opinion on things (sorry, I can't remember the posters name though).

"good post" "balanced opinion on things"? You mean it confirmed your own views?

[Pedro]

"good post" "balanced opinion on things"? You mean it confirmed your own views?

Did you actually read it?

Going off your response I imagine not.

Here you go, saved you the effort...balanced, accurate, fair:

"Don't anybody be despondent with the protests yesterday. I thought they went well. The fact that the media attention lingers on the crowds reaction to Kean when we were winning instead of the win itself is a major plus. It is irrelevant whether the media is positive or negative on the matter. It keeps the protests in the headlines, shows we are not happy regardless of a win and keeps the pressure up. Had that crowd reaction not happened yesterday the pressure would certainly have eased on SK.

With regards to the numbers, there are probably thousands of fans who, whilst still genuine supporters, are more casual than the rest of us. They go to the game on a Saturday and then probably don't think much of Rovers until the next home game comes around. They certainly don't spend every day on messageboards and scouring the web for news. Their support of Rovers is generally a match day thing. These people (of which my Dad and next door neighbours are examples of) are not going to display banners on a match day or stop behind for the after matchprotest. That doesn't mean they don't want Kean gone. The 'stand up if you want Kean out' chant was the most telling point of all of the protests so far. Over half the ground seemed to stand. That was the moment where the casual fans agreed with the protests and joined in. That was the moment that showed us, Kean and anyone of power who was there that the silent majority agree.

It might appear that protesting is doing no good but that's not true. We are not going to get rid of Kean with one knockout blow, it's going to be a sustained bout of pressure. Rope a dope you may say."

[AggyBlue]

They don't get it. I agree. I want Kean out as much as anybody else on the MB. I've seen enough in the last 12 months to tell me he's not up to the job.

However, was I booing when we scored? No.

Was I booing during the game? No.

Do I still want Kean out? Yes.

My point being, booing during the game is more likely to affect the players than Kean.

I think it actually spurs the players on.

I boo'd during the game and chanted 'Kean out', I will at the next game too.

You're entitled to your opinion but don't try and tell me when I should or shouldn't protest, it will just make me do it louder and with more venom.

[yeti-dog]

How stupid are some people?

Nobody booed THE TEAM. Poeple booed Kean when he was lapping up the high fives.

Without wishing to be an apologist for Kean(although I'm aware any of us who don't toe the party line are liable to be deemed as such),what EXACTLY would you expect our manager to do when we score...show a complete lack of interest? If he did that he'd rightly be accused of not giving a s**t. Essentially,he can't win either way can he...just be honest.

And by the way,before I receive the obligatory internet kicking, I believe he needs to go too I'm simply highlighting the self-righteous spin which is all over this forum and makes it insufferable at times.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Precisely, the media don't know **** about what's going on at Rovers.

Some of the crap we've had to endure from so-called "professionals" has been incredible. Remember, this is the same club who were called racist for sacking Ince, when we were the FIRST CLUB TO HIRE A BLACK PL MANAGER.

They'll be pleased to see the back of us.

I'm glad people decided to boo during the game. At least they're making a stand, unlike the happy-clappers who switch allegiances on the drop of a hat.

I think you are being harsh on the supporters that choose not to boo the team - because to me that is what it feels like. I want Kean out - but I won't boo during a match - I want Rovers to win every match irrespective of the manager (though admit I was prepared to sacrifice the Cardiff match to get rid of Kean).

On both sides of the coin - I think people should start to respect other fans opinions. I don't agree with fans booing during a match - but I appreciate the frustration that has led them to this - and to be fair, it is only recently that it has led to this form of protest (something lost on the media).

I think most fans want Kean out - some choose to demonstrate their feelings by protesting - some choose not to. I greatly admire the time and the effort that the people involved have put into the protests - and trying to ensure they are peaceful - but I choose not to protest - I see it as my right, just as it is for those that choose to protest.

[47er]

Did you actually read it?

Going off your response I imagine not.

Here you go, saved you the effort...balanced, accurate, fair:

"Don't anybody be despondent with the protests yesterday. I thought they went well. The fact that the media attention lingers on the crowds reaction to Kean when we were winning instead of the win itself is a major plus. It is irrelevant whether the media is positive or negative on the matter. It keeps the protests in the headlines, shows we are not happy regardless of a win and keeps the pressure up. Had that crowd reaction not happened yesterday the pressure would certainly have eased on SK.

With regards to the numbers, there are probably thousands of fans who, whilst still genuine supporters, are more casual than the rest of us. They go to the game on a Saturday and then probably don't think much of Rovers until the next home game comes around. They certainly don't spend every day on messageboards and scouring the web for news. Their support of Rovers is generally a match day thing. These people (of which my Dad and next door neighbours are examples of) are not going to display banners on a match day or stop behind for the after matchprotest. That doesn't mean they don't want Kean gone. The 'stand up if you want Kean out' chant was the most telling point of all of the protests so far. Over half the ground seemed to stand. That was the moment where the casual fans agreed with the protests and joined in. That was the moment that showed us, Kean and anyone of power who was there that the silent majority agree.

It might appear that protesting is doing no good but that's not true. We are not going to get rid of Kean with one knockout blow, it's going to be a sustained bout of pressure. Rope a dope you may say."

Fair enough. Apologies.

I (nearly always!) prefer to write "I agree" to "good post" but each to his own.

[Pedro]

Fair enough. Apologies.

I (nearly always!) prefer to write "I agree" to "good post" but each to his own.

100% Accepted

[roverandout]

i might get minuses for this post but at no point did i celebrate any of the goals, a polite clapping maybe and when yakubu got his 4th i went straight for the exit, i WILL NOT celebrate under this rodent's tenure, as soon as he has gone then that will be a whole different ball-game!!

[Tom]

To add my two pence to the amount standing up debate. First time it was chanting most people around me stood up maybe 70-80% but some weren't happy and only were doing to see because we were defending a corner at the time.

Still I'd say over half were doing before it came to that.

N01 right by the end.

[garnersfags]

For the 1st time this weekend the reaction on the protests from Savage and Colin Murray on MOTD was balanced and even in favour of the venkys/kean out protests.

Said how understandable the reaction was, how badly and bizarrly the club has been run. Showed the Yak/Kean booing moment.

Otherwise, the media reaction seems to have been pro-Kean and demanding pity for him.

[Sparky Marky]

i might get minuses for this post but at no point did i celebrate any of the goals, a polite clapping maybe and when yakubu got his 4th i went straight for the exit, i WILL NOT celebrate under this rodent's tenure, as soon as he has gone then that will be a whole different ball-game!!

Yeah...it was a funny reaction from the whole crowd if you ask me. Very subdued for the 4th. I think a fewfans secretly wanted swansea to make it 3-3.

[colin]

For the 1st time this weekend the reaction on the protests from Savage and Colin Murray on MOTD was balanced and even in favour of the venkys/kean out protests.

Said how understandable the reaction was, how badly and bizarrly the club has been run. Showed the Yak/Kean booing moment.

Otherwise, the media reaction seems to have been pro-Kean and demanding pity for him.

Agree,

Savage was about the first one to break ranks with the "pringle-wearing-golf-playing pundits" and actually question Kean & Venkys.

Good for him.

[roversnick]

does anybody have a link to the first goal when the crowd are cheering, then when yak runs to Kean the cheers turn to boos? they showed it on MOTD2 but i cant find a clip of it to re-watch

[Hughesy]

I know some people are saying they were booing the manager and not the players when we scored, but Yakubu definitely got a muted reception after his first 2 goals, following that. Usually ‘Feed the Yak’ would be heard in full voice, but not until he got subbed/ hit the 4th did we really hear that.

A line from Yakubu "when you listen to all that, you are not going to perform, its a shame to see even when we are winning"

[philipl]

The hatred for Kean is now so intense that the official protests are now almost irrelevant.

So long as Kean is there a large proportion of the crowd are now going to give him the verbals at every opportunity irrespective of what happens on the pitch. If you doubt me, just suppose Keith Andrews came back from Ipswich and imagine the crowd reaction if his name were read out in the starting XI- it wouldn't matter how well he had performed for Ireland or Ipswich.

Kean is even more toxic.

It has taken a long time to reach this point but it is now fatal. There is nothing anybody can do about this hostility except remove Kean.

[Mattie456]

I know some people are saying they were booing the manager and not the players when we scored, but Yakubu definitely got a muted reception after his first 2 goals, following that. Usually ‘Feed the Yak’ would be heard in full voice, but not until he got subbed/ hit the 4th did we really hear that.

A line from Yakubu "when you listen to all that, you are not going to perform, its a shame to see even when we are winning"

According to most on here the players are not affected by the boos and chanting.They are big boys and should be able to handle the situation. However, I'm not sure how good it looks to any potential signings if our better players are making statements like the Yaks above.

[booth]

I know some people are saying they were booing the manager and not the players when we scored, but Yakubu definitely got a muted reception after his first 2 goals, following that. Usually ‘Feed the Yak’ would be heard in full voice, but not until he got subbed/ hit the 4th did we really hear that.

A line from Yakubu "when you listen to all that, you are not going to perform, its a shame to see even when we are winning"

On the flip side, he scored four so it clearly didn't stop him from performing at all, regardless of words to the contrary.