[Archived] Booing

[booth]

Barnesy, to me it looked far to stage managed and not a reaction.

Regarding the boo or the high five?

[BPF]

A bit late methinks-damage done! Whatever you think of Kean, Yakubu thinks differently-he rescued his career-and I don't blame him one bit for sharing his joy with the manager. The boos, Big Screen or not, were totally unacceptable after a goal scored for us. The agenda for some, it seems, is very all out against Kean -even at the cost of Rovers losing-something I cannot subscribe to. Poor Yak, our only premiership player to score 4 goals in one game-only to receive a rebuke from our own fans for thanking his manager

It is a little early to be saying this. He could be terrible for the rest of the season. I'm not saying he will be....but I think some of the praise he has been getting might be a little over the top...

[booth]

It is a little early to be saying this. He could be terrible for the rest of the season. I'm not saying he will be....but I think some of the praise he has been getting might be a little over the top...

My Everton supporting pal reckons his first season at the club will be successful and then he will slowly become Benni McCarthy. Opinions are divided amongst the Goodison faithful.

[Gav]

Disagree, the booing makes us the fans look like muppets.

The players need our support and whilst I can see the reasoning behind the initial protests they are now pointless in their current form, we were winning hearts and minds until the booing, we even had fans saying 'want us to lose' before the game and slating fans for enjoying the win after!

What a surreal reality is the life of a Rovers fan.

Sorry Imy but that is just rubbish.

As supporters who pay hard earned money week in week out, we only have one course of action should things not go right on the pitch and thats record our displeasure. Kean has been in charge for 30+ games and I’d estimate that only in 3 or 4 games have the fans turned on the manager, that’s showing support for the team and patience with a manager who quite frankly doesn’t deserve it.

The protests have been well organised and respectful, far more respectful than the owners and manager are being towards us. This is our club and we have the right to boo during the matches if we feel the situation calls for such action and in my opinion that’s a course of action that’s needed, it’s the only way we can show our anger at the situation. If we score/win then great, but that doesn’t detract from the goal, and that’s untimely getting rid of this joke of a manager who is ruining the club along with his mates from Pune.

KEAN OUT

AGNEW OUT

[Ricky]

The high five Booth.

[tomphil]

A bit late methinks-damage done! Whatever you think of Kean, Yakubu thinks differently-he rescued his career-and I don't blame him one bit for sharing his joy with the manager. The boos, Big Screen or not, were totally unacceptable after a goal scored for us. The agenda for some, it seems, is very all out against Kean -even at the cost of Rovers losing-something I cannot subscribe to. Poor Yak, our only premiership player to score 4 goals in one game-only to receive a rebuke from our own fans for thanking his manager

The Yak applauded the BBE when he was subbed so it cant have offended him that much, he was probably under some kind of instruction to do it as Kean seemed to expect it. I was furious at Keans antics on the sidelines because he knows its going to cause a reaction. The last thing you want to do is inflame the situation if you have any brains.

[Gav]

How many protests did the Liverpool fans take part in?

Quick flick through google I found TWO protests- how many have we had so far?, how many fans took part in those protests, % of fans a lot higher than us.

'The spirit of Shankly' supporters group protested almost weekly for the Yanks to be removed, I have a mate who's involved with the group.

[booth]

The high five Booth.

In that case I agree. To run all that way to high five someone doesn't seem quite realistic when you've got 9 other players coming to congratulate you. How often has that happened at Ewood, I couldn't say from memory but I'd imagine that it's not much.

I don't think the big screen grin from Kean was scripted though, I truly believe if that hadn't have flashed up on the screen there wouldn't have been a boo. Kean was visibly rocked by that reaction.

[imy9]

Sorry Imy but that is just rubbish.

As supporters who pay hard earned money week in week out, we only have one course of action should things not go right on the pitch and thats record our displeasure. Kean has been in charge for 30+ games and I’d estimate that only in 3 or 4 games have the fans turned on the manager, that’s showing support for the team and patience with a manager who quite frankly doesn’t deserve it.

The protests have been well organised and respectful, far more respectful than the owners and manager are being towards us. This is our club and we have the right to boo during the matches if we feel the situation calls for such action and in my opinion that’s a course of action that’s needed, it’s the only way we can show our anger at the situation. If we score/win then great, but that doesn’t detract from the goal, and that’s untimely getting rid of this joke of a manager who is ruining the club along with his mates from Pune.

KEAN OUT

AGNEW OUT

The spontaneous booing during the Man City match was effective, why because a significant number of people took part and it was obvious for all to see why the crowd were turning against the manager. I feel that pre planned protests at this time are not the way forward. 500 fans staying behind at the game when we have won 4-2 is baffling to the outside world.

Ultimately for something to be effective you need the majority of fans to agree, currently Kean can turn around and say that 1% of fans are unhappy because thats the number staying behind! Something different needs to be done IMO.

'The spirit of Shankly' supporters group protested almost weekly for the Yanks to be removed, I have a mate who's involved with the group.

Fair enough Gav I only did a quick search.

Do you know how many people were taking part in these protests could not get a number from google?

[booth]

Ultimately for something to be effective you need the majority of fans to agree, currently Kean can turn around and say that 1% of fans are unhappy because thats the number staying behind! Something different needs to be done IMO.

He can't say it was 1% of the fans standing up during the "stand up if you want Kean out chants."

[ABBEY]

How can we say that we are 100% behind the players when some are booing a few of our players?

which players? i missed that?

[scotty_beam_me_up]

Apart from Roberts after the game, and which was thoroughly wrong, who was booed?

It wasn't just after the game. When Roberts came on chants of "Venkys rent boy" were going round the Darwen End. I fail to see what any of this is going to get us?

[Mattyblue]

I seem to be +1'ing more and more of Gav's posts these days, we are indeed going through strange times.

[booth]

It wasn't just after the game. When Roberts came on chants of "Venkys rent boy" were going round the Darwen End. I fail to see what any of this is going to get us?

How many were chanting that? I can't imagine how that could have been heard over "Feed The Yak and he will score". Was pretty much all of Ewood Park singing it. Loudest Ewood has been for ages I thought, and happiest Ewood's been since the Arsenal victory.

[lowerdarwenblue]

Match days are becoming increasingly more bizarre, I admit to contemplating the fact that after the "forfeit" debacle, a home spanking by Swansea would be the end of Kean. Logically, given all that has happened in the last year, the next thought is contemplating if you would take a loss to get him the sack. Many of us had this uncomfortable thought on Saturday morning.

I found myself sitting in Ewood, dressed in yellow when I normally always wear the famous blue and white halves, contemplating wanting Rovers to lose. Almost to a man, the "stand up if you want Kean out" chants brought supporters to their feet around me and every now and then a yellow balloon with "Venkys out/Kean out" bobbled past. Even the visiting supporters were joking about our poor excuse for a manager. I began to get more and more cross at Venkys and Kean for me being sat in yellow, half wanting Rovers to lose.

Then Gael Givet scampered down the left and cut the ball back for Yakubu to slash it into the top corner. It was a great goal and for a few seconds I forgot I was wearing yellow, I didn't notice the balloons and I felt as euphoric as I always have done when Rovers score. For those few seconds, Kean and Venkys vanished into the ether. Then, I noticed Yakubu heading for the touchline and to the manager. All of a sudden I was wearing yellow again, I remembered that our manager is still Steve Kean, and that our owners were asleep on the other side of the world oblivious to the fact that we'd just taken the lead.

I booed. As 47er says, it was spontaneous. I wasn't intending on doing it, it felt very strange, but it felt right at the time. It probably wont ever happen again, but the anger has been building and that moment left a bitter taste in many peoples mouths. Until the manager goes, that taste is sure to linger.

I couldn't have put it any better. I had no plans to boo, but boy, did it feel right and if the question was asked "Would i do it again ?", then yes i would. The feeling of being so elated at watching the ball hit the back of the net, to feeling so angry and deflated when i saw Kean joining in with our celebrations, was a very odd one.

He might say that the protests and demonstrations do not affect him, but it was clear to me from his reaction that they most certainly do, and that is why they must continue.

[PLJPB]

In my mind this whole issue is wrapped up with Kean persisting with his quotes that the majority of the fans back him and understand what he is 'trying to do' and that it's only a minority that want him out.

Saturday was the chance for the majority who have their own reasons for not attending marches and sit ins to let Kean know in no uncertain terms that they do not support him and want him sacked.

This was done many times throughout the game even when we were winning and spilled over into the Yakubu/Kean booing incident.

IMO we fans have been left with no choice than to let our feelings be known during games to counteract the lies that Kean tells in the press on an almost daily basis that the vast majority of fans back him.

[malk]

Everyone wants the team to stay up but what makes you think Kean can do this? One thing I have never heard from any pro-kean fan is reasons WHY Kean should keep his job? Just platitudes like give him more time, he’ll turn it round but WHY and WHERE is the evidence to suggest he is capable of delivering 17th. Maybe you can geniunely help me.

I can list reasons why to sack him-his poor record, delusions of top 10, poor relationship with fans, dreadful performances for the most part, chaotic defensively, huge gap between midfield and defence, poor signings outweigh good signings, etc etc. All of these are facts and as you say there are other reasons people hate him on rumours alone such as Venkys puppet,a complete turd, etc.

As for the booing would it not solve it to sack him? How much better would the atmosphere be if he wasn’t there. If he went and we hypothetically appointed a Hughes type surely every fan would be delighted at that. Even the players would surely prefer to play under a proper manager than toenails who has only proved he is a number 2 even a number 3.

Ps. Just to pre-empt it from anyone I don’t buy this mentality well Hughes etc wouldn’t come to us. Money talks. Everyone has thier price.

The team clearly isn't doing well at the moment and Kean is ultimately responsible for that. What I find really distasteful is when people call him a puppet (for doing what his bosses want. Shock), a complete turd etc. etc. Bar for the drink driving incident I fail to see why his character is being called into question?

I also find the booing and protests detrimental to the club so I don't want them to continue. The point has been made and the owners have shown they are sticking by their man, for now. Time to move on or set some kind of future deadline for success before protesting again. How hard would it be to make some kind of announcement stating that if we don't have x points by 19 games gone then the protest will come again.

The way Roberts and Andrews have been treated by far too many fans is disgraceful. Both seem to be amiable guys can't be faulted for effort so the stick they get/got is abominable. If someone walks out on training, leaks stories to the press, agitates the fans etc. then fine, boo away. Doing so to good hard working players with admittedly limited ability (though the number of managers who rate Andrews higher than the moronic boo boys here tells its own tale) is an embarrassment to the club.

Equally those who hold Kean to account for celebrating a goal? It really does beggar belief. The man is under massive pressure and one of his signings puts us in the lead, of course he's going to be bloody ecstatic!

The club has done a heck of a lot wrong recently and I, like many others, thought the sacking of Allardyce was particularly poor form. This is no excuse for acting in the oafish way some of our fans have subsequently.

Incidentally, we're currently 6th in goals scored in the league and have scored in all but 4 games this season. This board and most Blackburn fans were clamouring for more attacking football which we're getting. I think (as an optimist) that we can sort out our defensive problems (and a settled back four will go a long way to doing this) we'll be fine. As things stand we're on for 57 league goals this season. When was the last time we did that?

[Mattyblue]

Who gives a feck how many goals we've scored? We are in the relegation zone! Blackpool scored plenty an all.

The man is incapable of organising a defence and you'll find most Rovers fans would prefer 1-0 wins than getting beat most weeks.

Still, we'll get to watch plenty of goals on the end of season DVD, shame most of the scorers will have buggered off to other clubs.

[booth]

Malk, it's to your credit to be so reasonable, but I think you are being very kind to Kean. I doubt you will be so kind come the end of the season if he's still in charge.

I don't agree with booing at all, but the other protests, spontaneous or otherwise shouldn't be questioned. I don't see why they are detrimental to the club when we have owners and a manager who have been a thousand times more damaging, on and off the pitch, with facts to back that up both with stats and recent history of bad organization.

What else is there to do? Do you think just cheering on the team every week is going to change things? The way Venky's do business? The way Steve Kean obviously has a problem managing his team? The way we have had a stream of lies?

There is nothing to prove that Kean will sort out our defensive problems. Statistically, he's getting worse.

[47er]

I couldn't have put it any better. I had no plans to boo, but boy, did it feel right and if the question was asked "Would i do it again ?", then yes i would. The feeling of being so elated at watching the ball hit the back of the net, to feeling so angry and deflated when i saw Kean joining in with our celebrations, was a very odd one.

He might say that the protests and demonstrations do not affect him, but it was clear to me from his reaction that they most certainly do, and that is why they must continue.

Quite simply Kean is not one of us and never will be.

[malk]

Malk, it's to your credit to be so reasonable, but I think you are being very kind to Kean. I doubt you will be so kind come the end of the season if he's still in charge.

I don't agree with booing at all, but the other protests, spontaneous or otherwise shouldn't be questioned. I don't see why they are detrimental to the club when we have owners and a manager who have been a thousand times more damaging, on and off the pitch, with facts to back that up both with stats and recent history of bad organization.

What else is there to do? Do you think just cheering on the team every week is going to change things? The way Venky's do business? The way Steve Kean obviously has a problem managing his team? The way we have had a stream of lies?

There is nothing to prove that Kean will sort out our defensive problems. Statistically, he's getting worse.

To a certain extent I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate and wishing that people would be, as you say, reasonable. The initial protests were fine and perfectly reasonable but celebrating a win rather than protesting wouldn't be fickle but rather keeping ones powder dry. Still, I've probably said enough on that for now.

Regarding the defensive problems. I don't think people are taking into account the injury problems we've had this year. I don't want this to come across as an excuse because I think it is a reason why our defence hasn't been as good as I expected. I'll now list our back fours for the league games this year:

L. Wolves. Salgado, Hanley, N'Zonzi, Olsson.

L. Villa. Salgado, Hanley, Nelsen, Olsson.

L. Everton. Salgado, Samba, Givet, Olsson.

D. Fulham. Salgado, Samba, Dann, Givet. Samba injured at half time and replaced by Olsson.

W. Arsenal. Salgado, Samba, Dann, Givet.

L. Newcastle. Salgado, Samba, Dann, Givet.

L. Man City. Lowe, Samba, Dann, Givet.

D. QPR. Salgado, Samba, Dann, Givet.

L. Spurs. Lowe, Samba, Givet, Olsson.

D. Norwich. Lowe, Samba, Givet, Olsson.

L. Chelsea. Lowe, Samba, Givet, Olsson. Samba injured at half time and replaced by Hanley.

D. Wigan. Salgado, Hanley, Dann, Givet. Salgado injured at half time and replaced by Henley.

L. Stoke. Lowe, Hanley, Dann, Givet.

W. Swansea. Lowe, Samba, Dann, Givet.

Now I glance at this and think that we've been a bit unlucky with the enforced changes, particularly at centre back. The Wolves and Wigan games stand out in particular as ones were would may well have picked up more points had we had more fit first 11 type defenders. I'm not saying we'd be top 6 but I think a better run of luck with injuries might have seen us in the group on around 14 points...

[bob fleming]

Now I glance at this and think that we've been a bit unlucky with the enforced changes, particularly at centre back. The Wolves and Wigan games stand out in particular as ones were would may well have picked up more points had we had more fit first 11 type defenders. I'm not saying we'd be top 6 but I think a better run of luck with injuries might have seen us in the group on around 14 points...

if only Kean had brought in defenders who were good enough to play in the first team eh? Instead of signing Ribero and Keans Agents son, Myles Anderson? Neither of which, certainly Anderson, will ever be good enough for the Premier League so long as I've a hole in my arse. Perhaps if he hadn't allowed Emerton to leave we'd have a bit more experienced cover at Right Back? But no, let him leave, roll over, or pretend to so we can sign "Dennis Irwin".

[EwoodDawn]

To a certain extent I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate and wishing that people would be, as you say, reasonable. The initial protests were fine and perfectly reasonable but celebrating a win rather than protesting wouldn't be fickle but rather keeping ones powder dry. Still, I've probably said enough on that for now.

Regarding the defensive problems. I don't think people are taking into account the injury problems we've had this year. I don't want this to come across as an excuse because I think it is a reason why our defence hasn't been as good as I expected. I'll now list our back fours for the league games this year:

L. Wolves. Salgado, Hanley, N'Zonzi, Olsson.

L. Villa. Salgado, Hanley, Nelsen, Olsson.

L. Everton. Salgado, Samba, Givet, Olsson.

D. Fulham. Salgado, Samba, Dann, Givet. Samba injured at half time and replaced by Olsson.

W. Arsenal. Salgado, Samba, Dann, Givet.

L. Newcastle. Salgado, Samba, Dann, Givet.

L. Man City. Lowe, Samba, Dann, Givet.

D. QPR. Salgado, Samba, Dann, Givet.

L. Spurs. Lowe, Samba, Givet, Olsson.

D. Norwich. Lowe, Samba, Givet, Olsson.

L. Chelsea. Lowe, Samba, Givet, Olsson. Samba injured at half time and replaced by Hanley.

D. Wigan. Salgado, Hanley, Dann, Givet. Salgado injured at half time and replaced by Henley.

L. Stoke. Lowe, Hanley, Dann, Givet.

W. Swansea. Lowe, Samba, Dann, Givet.

Now I glance at this and think that we've been a bit unlucky with the enforced changes, particularly at centre back. The Wolves and Wigan games stand out in particular as ones were would may well have picked up more points had we had more fit first 11 type defenders. I'm not saying we'd be top 6 but I think a better run of luck with injuries might have seen us in the group on around 14 points...

Go to bed Keano. We're all a bit sick of the over-use of stats. Results - a long run of them - are what counts. Otherwise no-one's listening.

[Sparky Marky]

I actually think Malk is kean in disguise. Im certain...must be.

[Parsonblue]

I think you make some very valid points in each of your last two posts Malk. I totally agree that the treatment of Roberts and Andrews by a section of fans has been poor. However, that's nothing new, there always appears to be a player who will attract that sort of reaction from some supporters.

I would also agree with your point about booing the manager and Yakubu celebrating a goal together. As you say, the manager's reaction was only human and it was natural that Yakubu would celebrate with the man who, in many ways, appears to have rescued his career.

Again, I fully agree that sacking Allardyce was poor and has turned out to be a decision that might well relegate the club. I wouldn't disagree about the points you make with regard to the defence and the chopping and changing that has been required due to injuries and suspensions.

However, I'm not convinced about the value of scoring goals if you are leaking them in greater numbers at the other end. Howard Kendall assembled a team that ground out 1-0 wins and proved to be very successful with the fans. Winning is always the best form of entertainment.

With regard to injuries I'm convinced that our pre-season has much to do with this. Quite simply we have not looked fit all season and the number of sides who have looked quicker and fitter is a major worry. During the summer there was an awful lot of travelling and not many matches. I'm convinced that many of Salgado's problems stem from the pre-season prepartations - or lack of them. Last season he looked one of our fittest players and now he looks like he's on his last legs. Surely that must come down to what is being done at Brockhall.

In many ways the defensive problems are of our own making. We spent £7.5 million on a centre-half who had not played for half a season due to injury. Forget the fact that he is way over priced, the simple fact is that a player who has had that amount of time on the sidelines is going to need nursing back to regular football and the niggling injuries he has picked up are, perhaps, what might have been expected.

Similarly, Nelsen was rushed back into the team against Villa when he was clearly not fit. While I accept that Nelsen is the sort of character who would have put his own well being on the line for the sake of the team, the manager ought to have seen the bigger picture and resisted the urge to rush him back. Clearly it backfired in spectacular fashion as we lost the match - to a very poor Villa side - and Nelsen has not been seen since.

Again, the decision to allow Emerton to return to Australia, although understandable, was made when our resources were limited. The signing of Bruno and Myles Anderson have added nothing to our defensive capabilities. In fact quite the reverse. As Anderson arrived we allowed Gavin Gunning to leave and having watched Gunning in the Reserves over the past few years, I believe he would have been able to make a contribution which is more than can be said of Anderson. As for Bruno, the fact that Adam Henley, has now jumped ahead of him tells its own tale. Bruno is likely to sit in the reserves for the three years of his contract. If the manager believes he is the next "Denis Irwin" why isn't he even on the bench? I suspect, that like a number of us, Kean has seen his performances in the Reserves and is well aware that he is not first team material.

Personally, I not convinced about the effectiveness of pre-planned protests and I suspect the plane and the booing of Yakubu celebrating with Kean have merely caused further splits amongst the fans. Whilst I suspect the overwhelming majority of fans would like a change of manager the protests have, without doubt, led to splits amongst the fanbase. When the players aren't performing the crowd will react and that is always the most effective form of protest because it's spontaneous. In many ways I believe Kean is not the main problem, although goodness knows he's a poor manager, but merely a symptom of an ownership that doesn't seem to know what to do with the club. The fact that the Rao family have continued to back Kean and dismantled the exisitng adminstrative structure merely underlines how little they understand about football.

As for the way forward it needs the ownership, management, players and fans to be united and at the moment there is no sign of that happening. The lead needs to come from the owners but as they have appeared to retreated back to the bunker in Pune what can the supporters do other than protest?