[Archived] EU Veto

[dave birch]

What's the general feeling in the UK about Cameron's veto?

Will it mean the withdrawal by the UK from the EU?

Certainly the Europeans seem to be a bit uppity about it; getting nervous about loosing the millions of input from the UK, perhaps?

[SouthAussieRover]

Step forward AESF.

I'd leave the Germans and French to it.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Disasterous decision in my opinion. I was against joining the E U at the time but to leave it now would be foohardy in the extreme. That ship sailed a long while ago.

[Mattyblue]

About time, the Euro is going down the toilet, leave them to it, next step- full withdrawl.

[jim mk2]

Cameron took this decision because he is in trouble politically under pressure from the Tory eurosceptic right and right-wing backbenchers to pull back from Europe or lose support within the party. His ousted rival Liam Fox is watching and waiting.

Cameron had the chance in Brussels finally to nail down and regulate properly the financial services industry that has ruined this country's economy over the past 25 years and is the cause of the current severe budget deficit and loss of jobs and services up and down Britain.

Instead Cameron took a decision in his own interests and small percentage who work in the City of London but not that of the country as a whole. Less than one per cent will benefit but the 99 per cent will suffer again - and the north of England in particular.

It's funny watching the Tory party pulling itself apart over Europe yet again - they did it 20 years ago and 40 years ago under Ted Heath and here they are again causing problems for another of their lame-duck prime ministers. Tories should remember that Winston Churchill after the second world war was convinced there should be a United States of Europe and never wavered from that view.

My own feeling on Europe is that we should either in or out - in other words withdraw completely or sign up properly for the whole eurozone project, ditch the pound and fight the French and the Germans to run Europe on equal terms. Our current stance of half-in, half-out is unsatisfactory and is not in our interests.

[Mattyblue]

Cameron took this decision because he is in trouble politically under pressure from the Tory eurosceptic right and right-wing backbenchers to pull back from Europe or lose support within the party. His ousted rival Liam Fox is watching and waiting.

Cameron had the chance in Brussels finally to nail down and regulate properly the financial services industry that has ruined this country's economy over the past 25 years and is the cause of the current severe budget deficit and loss of jobs and services up and down Britain.

Instead Cameron took a decision in his own interests and small percentage who work in the City of London but not that of the country as a whole. Less than one per cent will benefit but the 99 per cent will suffer again - and the north of England in particular.

It's funny watching the Tory party pulling itself apart over Europe yet again - they did it 20 years ago and 40 years ago under Ted Heath and here they are again causing problems for another of their lame-duck prime ministers. Tories should remember that Winston Churchill after the second world war was convinced there should be a United States of Europe and never wavered from that view.

My own feeling on Europe is that we should either in or out - in other words withdraw completely or sign up properly for the whole eurozone project, ditch the pound and fight the French and the Germans to run Europe on equal terms. Our current stance of half-in, half-out is unsatisfactory and is not in our interests.

Apart from an odd old dinosaur like Ken Clarke, the Tories have never been more united on Europe, it's the Lib Dems that will tear the coalition apart- I hope they do and destroy their non party in the process.

Youre right, Churchill did want that, but not for Britain.

[jim mk2]

Apart from an odd old dinosaur like Ken Clarke, the Tories have never been more united on Europe, .

Required reading for all little Englanders.

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2011/10/the-conservative-party-is-as-divided-on-europe-as-it-ever-was-and-a-referendum-is-the-only-way-to-ac.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15387578

[Mattyblue]

Little Englander?

Was you one of those in the 80s with the rest of Labour?

[thenodrog]

My own feeling on Europe is that we should either in or out - in other words withdraw completely or sign up properly for the whole eurozone project, ditch the pound and fight the French and the Germans to run Europe on equal terms. Our current stance of half-in, half-out is unsatisfactory and is not in our interests.

Any betting man would put money on us to lose that battle. Those two have always cosied up every time it suits them to.

[thenodrog]

Cameron took this decision because he is in trouble politically under pressure from the Tory eurosceptic right and right-wing backbenchers to pull back from Europe or lose support within the party. His ousted rival Liam Fox is watching and waiting.

Cameron had the chance in Brussels finally to nail down and regulate properly the financial services industry that has ruined this country's economy over the past 25 years and is the cause of the current severe budget deficit and loss of jobs and services up and down Britain.

Instead Cameron took a decision in his own interests and small percentage who work in the City of London but not that of the country as a whole. Less than one per cent will benefit but the 99 per cent will suffer again - and the north of England in particular.

Not wanting to make a point eithyer way but just to cut through Jim's politicking and add some balance to the debate.......

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Business/Business_support_and_advice/Economic_information_and_analysis/Research+and+statistics+FAQ.htm#cityscontribution

[BuckyRover]

I like the fact that Jim highlights he is doing it to please his backbenchers i.e. elected representatives.

How novel

[Mattyblue]

I like the fact that Jim highlights he is doing it to please his backbenchers i.e. elected representatives.

How novel

Indeed, Clegg and his ilk seem to think Cameron shouldn't be listening to the people that make up the biggest chunk of the biggest party in our elected parliament but the likes of Barroso, Von Rompuy and the rest of the unelected buffons on the EU gravy train.

Perhaps we should insert a German approved Governor like Greece and Italy.

[jim mk2]

I like the fact that Jim highlights he is doing it to please his backbenchers i.e. elected representatives.

How novel

Cameron rejected the deal not because it was in the best interests of the country - but to save his own political skin. He is not popular within the Tory party because of his lamentable failure to win an outright majority at the last election and a yes vote would have seen a right-wing backbench revolt against him. To judge from the celebrations in the City today as a result of Cameron's decision we can look forward to more years of excessive risk-taking and fat-cat bonuses to the detriment of the wider economy. Cameron had the chance in Brussels to rein in the excesses of the City and to start to rebalance Britain's economy - and he blew it.

[den]

Ah, can't be bothered to get involved in the EU debate - except by saying hopefully the Euro collapses and Spain goes back to the Peseta.

In the late 60's [best decade ever] I regularly went out on a Friday night and drank as much as I could hold down, then went to sit in, in the local chippy on School Lane, where I would have a Jack Simmons special - Puddin' chips and peas, with a fish on top. All, I might add for ten bob. 50p in new money. 50p for all that and guess what? In Spain the pound went much further. The cost of living was nowhere near as expensive. We got hundreds of Pesetas for our pound. Nothing was out of reach out there. Bacardi 'til you said stop.

Down with the Euro. Up with the Peseta.

[jim mk2]

The European Union accounts for about 40 per cent of our exports so the collapse of the eurozone or anything else that damages it would have a severe effect on our already struggling economy. We don't have an empire anymore and it might surprise some Tory backbenchers that neither do we rule India. The eurosceptic Tory right and anyone else who does not understand that our future is inextricably linked to the fortunes of the eurozone need to wake up.

[thenodrog]

The European Union accounts for about 40 per cent of our exports so the collapse of the eurozone or anything else that damages it would have a severe effect on our already struggling economy. We don't have an empire anymore and it might surprise some Tory backbenchers that neither do we rule India. The eurosceptic Tory right and anyone else who does not understand that our future is inextricably linked to the fortunes of the eurozone need to wake up.

We rejected joining the single currency under Blairs govt and Browns Chancellorship. How do your socialist principles rest with that?

[JAL]

Have the Europeans spotted a weakness in Britain and exploited it by giving us the finger from the EU ?

[Steve Moss]

I'm not a financial or constitutional expert, but as an outsider looking in I believe:

1. Britain is better off outside the EU.

2. Cameron should put the whole EU project to a vote of the people; it's the only way to settle the issue.

On a more nationalistic note, I think the entire English speaking world (USA, Britain, Canada, Australia, NZ, Ghana, South Africa, Belize, Jamaica, etc.) and perhaps Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and a few more similar countries I'm doubtless spacing should unite under a single currency (using the gold standard) and Constitution (modeled on the US Constitution to kill your English libel laws). And I propose we: abolish the income and capital gains taxes; fund government based on a sales tax; the transnational bird be the roadrunner (or, perhaps, the albatross); and, the official sport soccer (football for you diehards).

[Mattyblue]

Nice one Steve, jim won't know where to to start with that!

[Paul Mellelieu]

Cameron is a small brained little Englander who is under pressure from a load of freaky nutters from the home counties who think we should live in the 1950s.

[Mattyblue]

Cameron is a small brained little Englander who is under pressure from a load of freaky nutters from the home counties who think we should live in the 1950s.

Really? Just a few nutters in the shires?

'58% of people think Cameron was right to use the veto, compared to 21% who think he was wrong.'

'Asked how they would vote in a referendum on EU membership, 43% would vote to leave, 36% would vote to remain a member.

About time the liberal fringe of this country realised just how out of touch they are.

[thenodrog]

Cameron is a small brained little Englander who is under pressure from a load of freaky nutters from the home counties who think we should live in the 1950s.

It's you who are living in the past. Thats the same rhetoric that Wolfie Smith was coming out with in the 70's.... back then it was deemed comedy, now it just sounds foolish.

If this had all happened 2 years ago and Brown had done the same as Cameron I'm sure you would be fully supportive.

[jim mk2]

Cameron is a small brained little Englander who is under pressure from a load of freaky nutters from the home counties who think we should live in the 1950s.

Wouldn't express it that way but there is an element who hanker after the Britain that ceased to exist more than 40 years ago and cannot understand or come to terms with the changes that continue to go on around them. Most have retreated to quiet rural (white) backwaters where they write letters to the Daily Telegraph lamenting a country that has moved on since the collapse of the empire. They were out in force this week after Cameron's veto to keep himself in a job.

[Mattyblue]

Explain the opinion poll please James, the same poll had Labour supporters evenly split on the issue.

Not exactly a few 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' is it?

[thenodrog]

Wouldn't express it that way but there is an element who hanker after the Britain that ceased to exist more than 40 years ago and cannot understand or come to terms with the changes that continue to go on around them. Most have retreated to quiet rural (white) backwaters where they write letters to the Daily Telegraph lamenting a country that has moved on since the collapse of the empire. They were out in force this week after Cameron's veto to keep himself in a job.

Interesting opinion Jim.

I'll not ask for your address but what is your post code as a matter of interest?