[Archived] question for blackburn fans

[tv-cameras]

good morning gentlemen!

i am a tottenham fan but, i'm not here for banta, trolling or any other form of anti-board behaviour.

i have been asking this to fans from the premier league, la liga, serie a and the bundesliga and will post the results in this thread when they are ready.

as this BBC report suggests, the use of cameras to decide certain criteria of matches could be used in the coming 2012/13 season.

what's your take?

cheers!

[mark1875]

goal line technology? yes absolutely!! long overdue

[trueblue]

Definitely.... it should have been introduced years ago!!

[Stuart]

Technology for goal line decisions doesn't go far enough. That plus 3 challenges from each manager.

[Paul]

Anything that will get us away from the whinging managers, complaining players and endless over analysis by witless pundits on Sky and the BBC has to be welcomed.

Mind you it won't be long till they find something else to keep them employed.

From the fans POV I feel it just removes another element of what made football the passion it was for many.

[Mattyblue]

Why Paul?

Moaning about refs isn't something that adds to the game, fans banging on about refs is as boring as managers doing it.

Get out of the stoneage FIFA.

[Stuart]

Anything that will get us away from the whinging managers, complaining players and endless over analysis by witless pundits on Sky and the BBC has to be welcomed.

Mind you it won't be long till they find something else to keep them employed.

From the fans POV I feel it just removes another element of what made football the passion it was for many.

Disagree. From a fans point of view it would add to the atmosphere and spectacle - waiting for a decision on the big screen. The oohs, the aahs, the cheers, the boos. All directed at what's happened on the pitch.

It also means when the result does come through, you can be sure it's the most accurate it can be, with no excuses. And we get away from things like Diouf's dive from his Bolton days and bad managers bemoaning bad luck or refereeing decisions.

Give the refs as much help as possible, then make them more accountable. That's my view.

[Rover_Shaun]

What would Stanley do as they don't have a big screen?

Who gives a crap about ooohhs and aaaahhhhs it's not cricket where the game stops naturally.

And managers would abuse the 'ridiculously stupid idea' of having 3 challenges

The beauty of football is that the game is the same whether it be the Premierleague or on the park.

[david_daft]

Been in favour of this for years. Might not be perfect but I think it will improve the game.

It seems to work well in tennis and rugby league.

Most decisions will be made pretty quickly.

Will cut right down on all the petty dissent.

Ref has got an impossible job and needs all the help he can get,

and, as someone mentioned earlier, could bring an extra level of excitement on the big screen.

[Stuart]

What would Stanley do as they don't have a big screen?

Who gives a crap about ooohhs and aaaahhhhs it's not cricket where the game stops naturally.

And managers would abuse the 'ridiculously stupid idea' of having 3 challenges

The beauty of football is that the game is the same whether it be the Premierleague or on the park.

Thanks for that.

At some point in time you are going to have to accept that the PL (and even Championship to an extent) is actually a different game to lower league football - and has been for some time. I guess on the change curve you are on 20 years behind so you'll soon catch up.

To use your cricket analogy imagine it as 'First Class Football' (even though I have issues with that term myself, it's just the way it is).

A three challenge rule is hardly 'ridiculously stupid' though., it allows more scope but requires careful thought as to when and how they are used. If you were around at the time, I imagine you had much the same views about the 'ridiculously stupid idea' of allowing three substitutions, eh?

Good luck with stuff like colour TV when you finally give in to the urge to avoid changing.

[trs]

good morning gentlemen!

Give women the vote I say!

[ABBEY]

Won't bother us no rovers soon when the slobs on the rob have killed us.

[Rover_Shaun]

I suppose 3 challenges will appeal to the x factor generation who don't have the attention span for 90 minutes sat in one seat.

3 subs took away even more of the tactical challenges facing managers. Todays 28 subs means a manager no longer has to be savvy when choosing his subs.

As well as 'goal line technology ONLY' I would bring in though is where a keeper cannot be brought on for one that has been sent off

[cn174]

Disagree. From a fans point of view it would add to the atmosphere and spectacle - waiting for a decision on the big screen. The oohs, the aahs, the cheers, the boos. All directed at what's happened on the pitch.

It also means when the result does come through, you can be sure it's the most accurate it can be, with no excuses. And we get away from things like Diouf's dive from his Bolton days and bad managers bemoaning bad luck or refereeing decisions.

Give the refs as much help as possible, then make them more accountable. That's my view.

It's not that exciting waiting for a decision on the big screen! In rugby they only have the video ref in sky games, the other 5 games that happen that week don't have it. It is especially annoying when they cannot tell from the video either, so 5 minutes later you're still watching it and they're still deciding.

Also, the decision still isn't the right one half of the time - you've still got the same refs watching it on the telly.

[dazmaz]

Disagree. From a fans point of view it would add to the atmosphere and spectacle - waiting for a decision on the big screen. The oohs, the aahs, the cheers, the boos. All directed at what's happened on the pitch.

It also means when the result does come through, you can be sure it's the most accurate it can be, with no excuses. And we get away from things like Diouf's dive from his Bolton days and bad managers bemoaning bad luck or refereeing decisions.

Give the refs as much help as possible, then make them more accountable. That's my view.

The goal line tech ONLY tells the ref if the ball crossed the line. We could have Hawkeye is what is really needed.

Interesting you mention Diouf, Olsson vs burnley?! works both ways

[Stuart]

It's not that exciting waiting for a decision on the big screen! In rugby they only have the video ref in sky games, the other 5 games that happen that week don't have it. It is especially annoying when they cannot tell from the video either, so 5 minutes later you're still watching it and they're still deciding.

Also, the decision still isn't the right one half of the time - you've still got the same refs watching it on the telly.

It's your own fault for watching rugby!

Obviously there needs to be some sense applied. The checking shouldn't take 5 mins, let's face it.

The goal line tech ONLY tells the ref if the ball crossed the line. We could have Hawkeye is what is really needed.

Interesting you mention Diouf, Olsson vs burnley?! works both ways

It does indeed work both ways, happy with that. I guess my blue and white goggles were what made me recall Diouf first!

The problems occur when it becomes a matter of opinion rather than fact - particularly if opinion is split. But replays are shown all the time after missed chances or bad challenges. I can turn around to watch on the telly at the back of the Riverside, get about 3 views of the incident and still not miss play re-starting!

Plenty of excuses around though. Why not trial it in the Prem for a season?

[onlyonejackwalker]

What would Stanley do as they don't have a big screen?

Who gives a crap about ooohhs and aaaahhhhs it's not cricket where the game stops naturally.

And managers would abuse the 'ridiculously stupid idea' of having 3 challenges

The beauty of football is that the game is the same whether it be the Premierleague or on the park.

"It's not cricket where the game stops naturally."

Really? You want to do some research. In most PL games the ball is often only in play for 40 to 60 minutes of each match.

Bring in the technology. What are they waiting for? The governing bodies set people up to look stupid with their dated views and ways, expecting jobbing refs and linesman to keep up and be 100% accurate with the likes of Bale, Walcott, Lennon, Goodwillie...

Either that or 1 x ref in each half, or 1 x ref + 4 x linesman, or even better 1 x ref + 4 x linesman + 2 x goal mouth decision makers.

But what is the point in having loads of bodies when you can just rewind the tv monitors and confirm accurately the correct decision?

The argument that it is not consistent with lower league football, park football, or kids football does not wash in the slightest. When my lad plays where are the St Johns Ambulance crew, why do they use a smaller lesser quality ball, why is the pitch not like a bowling green, why are junior referees used, why is the match played over shorter distances, etc etc.

Stop the cheats and mistakes and make football more accurate and honest.

[Seggie]

I think the extra refs in the CL haven't worked, biggest joke there is tbh, more often than not they are usually perfectly placed to give a pen or say something to the opposite effect and they do nothing.

Definately need the goal line technology, not so sure about Justy's 3 challenges rule. Player gets tackled in 6 yard box goes down and ball goes out of play for a corner but the manager challenges? What happens if the challenge fails? Does the game restart from the corner (well it shouldn't because the ball was in play from the initial tackle and the game effectively stops when the manager wants to time out) does it restart from the corner of the 6yard box giving the attacking team the advantage? Or should it be a goal kick for wasting everyone's time.

Admittedly for me it would be the third option in that situation, but what about clean through on goal and the opposing manager stops the game for an offside? You could have the potential situation of managers calling it to put players off or even be able to, given football authorities stupidity, allow managers to reposition their defenders. You would effectively create a situation were managers can effect the results of the games by creating time outs.

For what it's worth I do enjoy the big screen in Rugby and there's sufficient cameras at every pl game for incidents to be assessed, I just don't think it's workable in football at the moment.

I think the best way to deal with the divers and the cheats and what annoys me the most the ref chasers and surrounders is probably harsher punishments after the games for club and player, long bans, points deductions and fines.

As for goal line technology then yes definately it's needed.

[tomphil]

Goal line techno for me but only that, let the rest of the game flow.

[Baz]

Goal line technology and offside decisions that lead directly to goals I'm all in favour of.

The 3 appeals process I think I'd like to see trialled first. I'd fear it would be mis-used as a tactics by some to slow down games.

Personally, I'd also like to see more players brought to task where they have been proven in replays to have dived too. Cheating to win a game is just as bad as hacking someone down clean through on goal in my eyes.

[Hughesy]

TV cameras for key decisions/ appeals - YES

TV Cameras for goal line technology - YES

TV Cameras for retrospective bans for diving & cheating - YES

[Fowl Play]

Yes, yes, yes

[K-Hod]

A resounding yes from me. Blatter, Platini- whichever of these FIFA/UEFA dinosaurs is keeping us in the stone age, GET WITH THE PROGRAM!

[Ben-2000]

No, not in favour.

Leave things alone, human error is common in everyday life so why not Football!

[Rover_Shaun]

"It's not cricket where the game stops naturally."

Really? You want to do some research. In most PL games the ball is often only in play for 40 to 60 minutes of each match.

I knew someone would 'attempt' to bring that one up. Cricket stops after EVERY ball whereas in football the ball may not go dead again after said 'tackle in the box' for another 5 minutes.

I've even seen a game in the past where the ball bounced down off the crossbar and whilst the idiots were appealing the other team went down the other end and scored

If people want stop start sport then go and watch the crap that Americans play