[Archived] question for blackburn fans

[onlyonejackwalker]

I knew someone would 'attempt' to bring that one up. Cricket stops after EVERY ball whereas in football the ball may not go dead again after said 'tackle in the box' for another 5 minutes.

I've even seen a game in the past where the ball bounced down off the crossbar and whilst the idiots were appealing the other team went down the other end and scored

If people want stop start sport then go and watch the crap that Americans play

I didn't 'attempt' anything. It's there in black and white, so not sure what's confusing you. If you prefer guesswork and inaccuracy that's up to you.

I've already shown that football is stop / start, so your last point makes no sense at all.

[Rover_Shaun]

I didn't 'attempt' anything. It's there in black and white, so not sure what's confusing you. If you prefer guesswork and inaccuracy that's up to you.

I've already shown that football is stop / start, so your last point makes no sense at all.

Yes the game stops and starts alot but not necessarily when you'd want it to.

but seeing as you always seem to be right I'll leave it there

[Stuart]

Yes the game stops and starts alot but not necessarily when you'd want it to.

but seeing as you always seem to be right I'll leave it there

C'mon fettler, debate doesn't work like that. You won't necessarily win your argument but it might just make you better understand the opposing view.

You sound like a teenager mouthing off to their parent when they don't get their own way.

[Rover_Shaun]

I'm up for goal line cameras but Aall I was saying is that having up to 6 'challenges' per game for other things it would add even more stop starts to an already circumvented 90 minutes.

How do you restart the match when a claim has been turned down? Bounce up? Or does the team in possession kick the ball out for a throw when the challenge is made?

After a penalty claim has been waved away by the ref most of the time the game carries on, sometimes a team can do a lightening counter-attack. Would managers abuse the system to prevent that attack from happening?

I for one do not mind human error and 'interpretation' in the game. It has worked reasonably well for 125 years in it's present form

Would the inevitable profligation of'video' footage cause the 'de-skilling' of referees who become reliant on camera's making the decisions for them?

How would the camera system be implemented for the lower football leagues? The system would be very expensive and to them their matches are just as important financially than the prima-donna premierleague

[booth]

TV cameras for key decisions/ appeals - YES

TV Cameras for goal line technology - YES

TV Cameras for retrospective bans for diving & cheating - YES

Agree to all the above.

Also, post-match the allowance of a fan vote to judge whether the manager gets taken round the back, flogged and then shot by firing squad. With TV cameras showing it on the big screen. It'd give us something to cheer about after a defeat.

[ruggles1995]

Always disagree and will always disagree. BIG FAT NO from me. Its a humans sport, a humans game, adds a bit of contriversy, if everything was spot on in football it would be dull and boring nothing to talk about, maybe Im just old school but I would rather it was still controlled by the outcome of the human. May not be a strong defensive point but its how I feel. Whats next picking up the ball and running with it?

[Audax]

What can be done now is to start using technology. That would release the pressure off everybody and all the refs I have talked to would agree to it.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-24022201-lets-go-back-to-school-to-find-referees-of-the-future.do

Column by Sam Allardyce.

I can see how one can say "it's always been this way" but some decisions are too horrific or to second rate, inept. I always thought too, like SA says here, it'd take some pressure off the referees.

What can be done now is to start using technology. That would release the pressure off everybody and all the refs I have talked to would agree to it.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-24022201-lets-go-back-to-school-to-find-referees-of-the-future.do

Column by Sam Allardyce.

I can see how one can say "it's always been this way" but some decisions are too horrific or too second rate, inept, not sure if it would have been reviewed but say when Henry slapped the ball in the France/Ireland game or even the Lampard no-goal at the world cup and in the next WC game, Mexico/Argentina, with Tevez's offside goal, games were too important for such shoddy officiating to call the game and yes, Germany were the better team on the pitch that day clearly. In the Argentina/Mexico game, everyone in the stadium saw the replay but the official had to stick with his decision and that was a bit farcical in a knockout game.

I always thought too, like SA says here, it'd take some pressure off the referees.

[aletheia]

Jisty

Technology for goal line decisions doesn't go far enough. That plus 3 challenges from each manager.

Limit it to 2 and has to be the captain only within 1 minute of incident. No conferring with touchline. Start with premiership, see how it goes. Simples and quick.

Goaline =yes.

Offside. Only in 18 yeard area.

[Steve Moss]

If people want stop start sport then go and watch the crap that Americans play

I agree that soccer is more interesting than American football. But it is not correct to refer to it as "crap". It is both a demanding and exciting sport.

[bazza]

Goal line technology plus cameras..........yes

With regard to other incidents, no challenges from managers or anyone else. Ref to be in sole charge of decision making but to be in comms with 4th official who should rewind and replay any incident THE REF requests clarification for.

If cameras and GL technology are not at lower league matches, then so be it.

Also time keeping should be removed from the ref as in Rugby.

[cn174]

Also time keeping should be removed from the ref as in Rugby.

Last week I was in Germany and snook in 3 footy games, two in the Bundesliga and one in the 2.Bundesliga. Out of the three games, only one half of footy had injury time, and that was 2 minutes at the end of the Dortmund game (which I think was Fergie-time more than anything). I'd never really noticed it before, but I've watched a couple games since and hardly any games there seem to have injury time, despite that they have injuries and subs and the like.

[Stuart]

Jisty

Technology for goal line decisions doesn't go far enough. That plus 3 challenges from each manager.

Limit it to 2 and has to be the captain only within 1 minute of incident. No conferring with touchline. Start with premiership, see how it goes. Simples and quick.

Goaline =yes.

Offside. Only in 18 yeard area.

I'd be happy with the captains and only 30 secs max after incident.

I'd also be happy with offside to only be checked where a goal was scored directly from that phase of play. With some means of avoiding frivolous claims.

[thenodrog]

good morning gentlemen!

i am a tottenham fan but, i'm not here for banta, trolling or any other form of anti-board behaviour.

i have been asking this to fans from the premier league, la liga, serie a and the bundesliga and will post the results in this thread when they are ready.

as this BBC report suggests, the use of cameras to decide certain criteria of matches could be used in the coming 2012/13 season.

what's your take?

cheers!

There should be no debate necessary. However I'd be a lot more sympathetic to your post if it had come when the BBC article was aired rather than a couple of weeks afterwards when your team, have been victims of a pisspoor linesman (notice I didn't say referee).

Nothing personal but the truth is I've gone from being sympathetic to experiencing a touch of sadistic enjoyment toward Spuds fans after being subjected to complete media overkill for a week. I think Talkshyte have that disallowed goal down as a national disaster! Not a bloody word have I heard about us having a good goal by Scott Dann disallowed for sweet FA which would have put us 2-0 up in a desperate relegation scrap that we lost 2-1 much less a string of similar misfortunes through the season including disgraceful penalty decisions when we played Norwich and Everton which total;led up have cost us at least 5 points (50% of our total btw).

I'd also be more sympathetic if managers like Dalglish and Coyle who figure in that report actually criticised poor decisions when they 'go' for their team! Mealy mouthed gits they are cos there are precious few instances of managers of teams benefitting from dodgy decisions actually criticising officials for 'missing' stuff, or their own players for diving and fouling and general unsporting behaviour.

[Ozz]

Why don't Rovers put the TV cameras on the Riverside stand?

[Bluemonday BRFC]

NO. Controversy, scandal and shock enriches the football experience.

It gives us something to bemoan, or to laugh about, or make us rage. Whatever, it's these real-life decsions that produce fast pace exciting real emotion. It gives people on MOTD, the pub or work, something for all fans to talk about. Technology will take away another exciting element of our already eroding game entertainment.

In saying that, If It was up to me football wouldn't be In the sorry state It seems to be developing into which is now the modern game. To quote Soccer Am, Yorkshire News "Change is not good".

[tv-cameras]

cheers for the input guys, you have been really helpful!

the poll is nearly completed so the results should be up by next weekend.

good luck this season!

[1864roverite]

We need to have football up to speed with modern technology and I for one am all for cameras making decisions on goals or sendings off.

Another suggestion that hasnt been muted anywhere else is camera decisions where the referee has been found out to make a glaring mistake, if that is referred by the management of the team who appear to be the victim and evidence is found to support such a glaring mistake then the ref could be subbed for the 4th ref and instantly given a 3 match ban (or shot if your name is Gerald Ashby).

all for it

[AJW]

dont know if anybody else has read or heard the research an independent european body did about 12 months ago the looked at all the " was it a goal on not" decisions from all the major leagues in europe over a 2 year period and the exact figure escapes me but it was in the 80%'s of cases the ball goes dead within 5 seconds on the incident e.g out for throw-in / corner / goal kick ..... you get the idea , therefore dismissing the myth that looking at a tv replay would stop the game

[Al]

I suppose 3 challenges will appeal to the x factor generation who don't have the attention span for 90 minutes sat in one seat.

3 subs took away even more of the tactical challenges facing managers. Todays 28 subs means a manager no longer has to be savvy when choosing his subs.

As well as 'goal line technology ONLY' I would bring in though is where a keeper cannot be brought on for one that has been sent off

Following that logic you should not allow a defender to be brought on for a forward so tactical substitutions no onger exist. Daft.

[tv-cameras]

[Stuart]

Haha, the though of United wanting TV replays! :lol:

Imagine the titles they'd have missed out on. If for no other reason, the removal of bias towards top 4 clubs should be enough of a factor to justify technology!

[rhodie]

Another option would be to put say a 5 second lag on the big screen and let it shadow the game in play.That would allow the ref another look at any infringement.

[tomphil]

Norwich what's all that about lol