[Archived] The Bishop of Blackburn's Christmas message

[John]

Wonder if the Bishop knows Kean is a proven liar and drink driver?

[Roversider]

Did you?

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

IMHO, the bishop should worry about other things rather than OUR football club. I think he should make more of an effort in other issues affecting his diocese.

Guilty as charged and as such I should apologise for that, we all carry sin.

I guess I am not as good a Christian as I would like but there is nothing in my faith that tells me that as Christian I should always quietly accept insults to my faith.

[booth]

Wonder if the Bishop knows Kean is a proven liar and drink driver?

He knew those other people abused and killed a baby, so I doubt a bit of drink driving would bother him.

[the original david brent]

The Bishop of Blackburn is talking rubbish re Kean.

However...

some pretty bigoted, disrespectful, uncalled for comments on here by one or two. And I am not a practising Christian, although I am christian, and I want this country to try and preserve its christian status. Getting off topic I know, but I know people who do attend church, there are clearly people on this board who attend church, and they shouldn't feel insulted because of that.

[roversmum]

I am Christian, I am Church of England, and I would prefer my Bishop to administer to his flock's spiritual needs and not make uninformed/divisive remarks about politics and his local football club.

[gumboots]

I'm a regular church attender too although a methodist, not Cof E, and i think the Bishop should have left well alone. I do find some of those wishing Kean would die etc in very bad taste, as a human being, not just as a christian, but Kean has brought much of the vitriol directed towards him on himself, and I find it hard not to find myself despising the man because of the incompetent way he is doing his job and the way he has stirred up these violent feelings which are alien to most of us, whether we follow a faith or just want to be decent human beings without believing in a higher power. I just want him to go. If it takes chanting against him, if it takes banners and constant reminders of his incompetence so that he feels bullied by us, the people he should be relyi8ng on for support then so be it. The Bishop has had his say - Rovers fans deserve to have theirs and to be heard and taken heed of.

[spam95]

The bishop of Blackburn chose to enter the fray. He is not above argument if he chooses to comment! I do not see that his position as a religious leader makes his word sacrosanct!

If he didn't want a discussion, he shouldn't of opened his mouth

[hemustbemad]

Jesus saves!.....but the Yak puts it in on the rebound!!!

[Mattyblue]

I am Christian, I am Church of England, and I would prefer my Bishop to administer to his flock's spiritual needs and not make uninformed/divisive remarks about politics and his local football club.

Exactly mum.

Can't say I've ever heard the B of Bburn say the first thing about BRFC in 20 years, keep your bloody oar out, but if he wades in, he will get a reply.

It's like when the Archbishop of Canterbury babbles on about issues that have nothing to do with his remit, too many of them think they should be debating at the Oxford Union.

[ABBEY]

Is that ill-advised? I am not so sensitive, Christians have been abused for centuries but somehow we survive, faith is a good thing.

I think that a choice to insult a whole faith group because one member proposes a truce on personal attacks on Steve Kean might actually be more counter-productive than you think. The Bishop of Blackburn (and I am not a member of the Church of England by the way) has only used his Christmas message to appeal to basic humanity and not to take the levels of abuse to that of cruelty. I have no evidence that there is a connection between the Bishop and paedophiles (I assume that is what you meant by pedos) and it is a strange and particularly weak counter argument that you used. As for the reference to Land Bank? If you became a member of the Church of England you might get a say in how it is used, personally I would always want the wealth of the Church to help the needy.

I want to see Steve Kean go and you are free to rant all you like about the Bishop, Christians and the whole world of faith. Evil is carried out by men and women who sometimes hide behind their 'faith' or 'anti-faith' as an excuse. We all have to consider our actions and whether we can sleep peacefully with our conscience, all our actions.

Christmas is a time for peace and goodwill to all men and that is what the Bishop proposed, is that such a bad thing? We can all make a solid argument for a change of manager with dignity and without surplus abuse.

Get him to change the bovril into victories then and walk down river

[thenodrog]

So just the U.N. , Archbishop of Canterbury, the Government and the Pope left to have a pop at us now.

I'd wager Mother Theresa would be well sticking the boot in if she was still alive and Dismaaand Tututoo!

[thenodrog]

The Church Of England and its Bishops need to concentrate on putting their own issues right.

They have seen their own attendances dramatically decline over the years, churches are being closed, vicars being put out to grass and financial problems are prevalent everywhere within.

Very seasonal......

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/pharisee_1?q=pharisees#pharisee_1__3

Bishop Nicholas can pontificate all he likes but I bet if Jesus were alive today he'd be out with the protestors wearing a Kean out shirt and turning a few tables of the indian money lenders over! Money driven Indians / Money driven Romans whats the difference?

These slightly misquoted words from over 40 years ago could be applied to the current criticisms of BRFC fans..... Press, managers and religious leaders are currently all 'avvin a go' at our attempts to derail the gravy train despite huge question marks existing over the motives behind foreign ownership of Premier League teams.

".......whether they be leader-writers of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it, or archbishops who live in palaces, faring delicately with the bedclothes pulled right up over their heads. They have got it exactly and diametrically wrong."

[sentient]

Is that ill-advised? I am not so sensitive, Christians have been abused for centuries but somehow we survive, faith is a good thing.

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Christmas is a time for peace and goodwill to all men and that is what the Bishop proposed, is that such a bad thing? We can all make a solid argument for a change of manager with dignity and without surplus abuse.

I have heard it all now! Christians abused for centuries? What about the tens of millions slaughtered in the americas in the name of christ? The only people that have persecuted christians have been people who think that their god is bigger and badder than your god!

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The fans have bee calling for change of manager in the calmest way possible given the situation. Steve Kean can walk away whenever he wants. He is not held prisoner. He chooses to carry on for his £1.5m per year.

[adopted scouser]

I can fully understand him backing Kean. Both believe in fantasy, convinced there will be utopia after all the suffering, and as long as somebody upstairs keeps telling them what to do everyone will love them.

[OJRovers]

Maybe Kean was at communion before he drink drove down to London... possible that someone spiked the holy wine...

[funny-old-game]

Maybe Kean was at communion before he drink drove down to London... possible that someone spiked the holy wine...

Or maybe someone spiked his drink/drinks @ Huntley that night

[ABBEY]

Sussed it ... The bish turned his water into wine and he thought he was on corporation pop when in fact it was alcohol!!!

[BiggusLaddus]

The day we see fighting between Riverside and Blackburn End season ticket holders over who gets to clean which bit of Jack's statue, is the day I will accept a lecture on morality and peaceful behaviour from any church.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16347418

[AllRoverAsia]

A bit harsh but I know where you coming from. God is always on the side of the winner - as well as those who write the history books.

[daveoftherovers]

Is that ill-advised? I am not so sensitive, Christians have been abused for centuries but somehow we survive, faith is a good thing.

I think that a choice to insult a whole faith group because one member proposes a truce on personal attacks on Steve Kean might actually be more counter-productive than you think. The Bishop of Blackburn (and I am not a member of the Church of England by the way) has only used his Christmas message to appeal to basic humanity and not to take the levels of abuse to that of cruelty. I have no evidence that there is a connection between the Bishop and paedophiles (I assume that is what you meant by pedos) and it is a strange and particularly weak counter argument that you used. As for the reference to Land Bank? If you became a member of the Church of England you might get a say in how it is used, personally I would always want the wealth of the Church to help the needy.

I want to see Steve Kean go and you are free to rant all you like about the Bishop, Christians and the whole world of faith. Evil is carried out by men and women who sometimes hide behind their 'faith' or 'anti-faith' as an excuse. We all have to consider our actions and whether we can sleep peacefully with our conscience, all our actions.

Christmas is a time for peace and goodwill to all men and that is what the Bishop proposed, is that such a bad thing? We can all make a solid argument for a change of manager with dignity and without surplus abuse.

Roversider, you know full well that I am referring to the RC Church being implicated in covering up their clergy's inappropriate behaviour with minors, I was in Eire lately, the majority of the population appear angry about it.

The churches vast wealth and land bank could be put to much better use, especially with their support of the poor.

I should have mentioned the churches issue with being some people choosing to be gay also, and them dragging their feet over female clergy, but I must have missed that when I got distracted by someone locally choosing to jump on a local band wagon and proving he is out of touch and I'll informed on such matters. After all, I've been a season ticket since we were in the old 3rd Division, and he hasn't has he? So he should keep his beak out.

[3rdpillar]

Penis of Blackburn. Bishop my arse.

That knob head needs to have a good look at himself in all is fancy getup and think long and hard. As someone already pointed out that jesus bloke was all for voicing his opinions when he believed something was not right and people were being conned.

Think on, cock....

[Roversider]

Roversider, you know full well that I am referring to the RC Church being implicated in covering up their clergy's inappropriate behaviour with minors, I was in Eire lately, the majority of the population appear angry about it.

The churches vast wealth and land bank could be put to much better use, especially with their support of the poor.

I should have mentioned the churches issue with being some people choosing to be gay also, and them dragging their feet over female clergy, but I must have missed that when I got distracted by someone locally choosing to jump on a local band wagon and proving he is out of touch and I'll informed on such matters. After all, I've been a season ticket since we were in the old 3rd Division, and he hasn't has he? So he should keep his beak out.

Actually you referred to the Bishop of Blackburn who is not a Roman Catholic, hence that appearing to show ignorance on your part by inferring a link. I was born in Blackburn but I wouldn't extrapolate that to shared guilt for crimes commited in Blackburn. Your argument is facile.

There are female clergy in many Christian churches, I'm a Methodist and that has been the case for decades, equally there is no bar to gay preachers in my church and the Church of England is also becoming mnore liberal in that respect as each year goes by.

Disagree with his comments but to do that from a position of your own self-righteousness by inferring that the Bishop has a connection with covering up the acts of paedophiles does not reflect well on your argument.

Anyway, I believe that it is best to close this discussion and hope we can get back to discussing football.

[daveoftherovers]

Actually you referred to the Bishop of Blackburn who is not a Roman Catholic, hence that appearing to show ignorance on your part by inferring a link. I was born in Blackburn but I wouldn't extrapolate that to shared guilt for crimes commited in Blackburn. Your argument is facile.

I'm a Methodist and that has been the case for decades, equally there is no bar to gay preachers in my church and the Church of England is also becoming mnore liberal in that respect as each year goes by.

There are female clergy in many Christian churches, Disagree with his comments but to do that from a position of your own self-righteousness by inferring that the Bishop has a connection with covering up the acts of paedophiles does not reflect well on your argument.

Anyway, I believe that it is best to close this discussion and hope we can get back to discussing football.

Apologies for forgetting all the different factions? What was it in the Life of Brian, the Judian Peoples Front?

The old, it wasn't my lot, it was the other lot gag, same old same old...

He represents Christianity, does he not?

The very fact that you jump to "Their" defence, whilst claiming persecution of your "Faith" would kind of highlight in yourself the very same patronising flaws you are claiming I have, such as self-righteousness etc.

And to top it all, this part:

"I'm a Methodist and that has been the case for decades, equally there is no bar to gay preachers in my church and the Church of England is also becoming mnore liberal in that respect as each year goes by.

There are female clergy inmany Christian churches"

Which faction are you trying to defend (Thoroughly unsuccessfully I may add) ? Yours, their's, his?

Oh I see? You are Methodist / Christian when it suits?

Oh, and it is nearly 2012, BTW, why is it you are still using comments like "Each year goes by" Facile? Moi?

And yes, going back to Football, Kean and the Bishop are still complete Tubes, and have showed they are both not upto the job.

[wilyrover]

As this thread has shown, the only thing people like the Bishop of Blackburn can prove is they can prove nothing. They must hate science and Charles Darwin.

Does he even know where Ewood Park is? Bet he's never been.

[broadsword]

Does he want us to turn the other cheek?

I don't believe in turning the other cheek.

I believe in sticking in the boot (metaphorically). I really don't care what the bishop of Blackburn says, the people of Blackburn are trying to save their club.

Maybe we should be praying for a swarm of locusts down Pune way? Before Ewood is plagued by darkness (as the electricity board cuts us off).