[Archived] Venky's willing to sell?

[broadsword]

if we don't get relegated then they won't sell.

if we got down then there's be a funding chasm which Venky's won't breach and they'll neglect us until the bank steps in.

taht is my take on it anyway.

if we stay up, we'll have to go through this cr*p all over again next season. Fancy that?

[BlueMonday]

No no no. If we stay up (we won't from this position) more debt will be loaded onto the club and Venkys will take more out. Venkys and Kean will stay and more fans will stop going.

The BEST thing (and it's not a good one) that can happen now is administration from today. Problem is as things stand a court would not agree to it. Things needs to get worse before they get better and that means getting out of the Premier League.

Venkys will not sell unless they get their money back. That will not happen whatever league we are in.

They need to be booted out. There will be a stage when serious money is needed to keep the club going and it won't come from Pune.

To me this highlights what bad business people these numptys are. They are abjectly failing the club. They are sitting back and doing nothing to turn things round and doing nothing to add value to the club.

IT is therefore totally absurd for them to expect to get their investment back when they decide to sell.

It makes you wonder how they haven't driven their other businesses into the ground.

[Roost]

if we don't get relegated then they won't sell.

if we got down then there's be a funding chasm which Venky's won't breach and they'll neglect us until the bank steps in.

taht is my take on it anyway.

if we stay up, we'll have to go through this cr*p all over again next season. Fancy that?

Or if we stay up they may cut and run whilst the value is higher.

One thing you are right about - I don't want another season like this one.

I left Molyneux on the last day of last season thinking we had got out of jail, and was looking forward to this season. What did the owners and manager learn from last year? NOTHING.

[Lurid Coat]

Whenever I log onto the BRFCS forum, I always pray that this thread suddenly has gone from 18 or whatever pages to 40+, and that the first post I read when I click on the last page of the thread is someone multiquoting Kamy and Glen, who are stating that the Raos are trying to sell the club to a consortium consisting of Currie, Battersby and a couple of minted oil sheiks.

[rovers11]

if we don't get relegated then they won't sell.

I have to agree with that, Venky's would be less likely to sell if we stay up. In the premiership, the club can fund itself on premier league money (as long as wages are not too high and transfer fees are low). Venky's have now grasped this hence the reason why they've trimmed the wage budget back to where it was under the trust and spend nothing on transfers. Added to that, the likely sales of Samba and Hoillet in the summer which the bank will take a slice of (thus bringing the bank debt down) whilst the other slice giving the manager a small transfer kitty. And there you have another season in the prem funded without any outlay of your own money.

[Fife Rover]

Came into the office this morning and it was mentioned to me that this is what happens when you have idiotic owners and an awful manager in charge.

It is not just about the poor results on the field under Kean – it’s the constant mistruths, spin on certain issues plus story after story which are always detrimental to the club.

Regardless of what you think of him as a player, Keith Andrews strikes me as a honest chap and his description of “chaos” behind the scenes is probably an understatement.

On & off the pitch, the club has been dismantled ability/quality wise - we have lost key people and they have been replaced them with inferior and inexperienced personnel – there is little or no structure, no logical reporting lines (like you would have at any other football club).

For us to be run normally, it would require a massive change in the way we are currently doing things, along with some investment, and I just can’t see it happening.

Don’t know why I posted this, myself along with many others on here have said the same thing so many times before!

You are quite right in stating that your post and 100's of others are inevitably going over and over old ground......but this one of yours contains a great piece of news for me and it is one that I have not seen before. Namely your statement that your colleagues at work (presumably southern based) are showing that at long last they have noticed that we have got numpties for owners, and a useless buffoon for a manager. So obviously the southern media must have finally decided to to tell the truth to their readers/listeners. There is a glimmer of hope that honesty and truth still survives.

[broadsword]

Or if we stay up they may cut and run whilst the value is higher.

Well, that would be my preferred solution. By a miracle we stay up, and Venky's decide to sell before they cause thousands of people more anguish, impotent rage and frustration. We then get taken over by a consortium who don't promise the earth but manage to return us back to being a nice steady mid-table outfit.

Just cannot see it at all though I am afraid.

so, perversely, I want us to go down.

[BuckyRover]

You are quite right in stating that your post and 100's of others are inevitably going over and over old ground......but this one of yours contains a great piece of news for me and it is one that I have not seen before. Namely your statement that your colleagues at work (presumably southern based) are showing that at long last they have noticed that we have got numpties for owners, and a useless buffoon for a manager. So obviously the southern media must have finally decided to to tell the truth to their readers/listeners. There is a glimmer of hope that honesty and truth still survives.

Most people I have spoken to down South think Venky's/Kean are complete numptys, and if they weren't aware they were after we had finished our conversation.

[broadsword]

One thing I don't understand is that last season when we were dicing with the drop, Venky's apparently were panicking at the thought of it.

I also seem to remember reading that when they bought the club they didn't realise that the bottom 3 each season went down.

So given that, and also the fact that they put the club on the market in the summer apparently, but then have also apparently told the Qataris to do one (and this is on good info on here).

I think the defining attributes of the Venky regime will be a lack of care and attention, a family feud which precludes consistent decision making and a lack of understanding of how the business works and an inability to learn due to a culture of "we know best, we are the bosses".

[roverandout]

i know i will get mullered for this as i am 'so negative all the time' but i also hope we go down as it will spell the end of venkys, i have come to the point where i WANT us to lose

[broadsword]

To be honest, I've felt like that for months, I feel like I can be honest about it now.

[Exiled in Toronto]

A reality for you---------people will continue to protest because they are angry and have no other outlet for their feelings.

Only quoting this because it is at the root of the divide between the pro- and anti-protestors imo.

Protesting because fans are angry and have no other outlet is understandable but, because it is centred on meeting the need of angry fans' to express themselves, has no strategy to achieve the removal of their anger: new owners.

From what I read, the Liverpool protests eventually worked because they were driven by a clear goal and a clear strategy to achieve that, which was not about letting off steam.

I agree with what GlenN wrote earlier (or on another thread); if the goal is for some potential new owners to persuade the current owners to sell up, then marches up and down Livesey Branch Road, yellow and black shirts and whatnot do nothing to help achieve this. The Raos HAVE to be brought back into some form of dialogue with someone as a necessary first step - they'll never sell up if they never speak to anyone - so to my mind all efforts have to be directed to this.

[47er]

Only quoting this because it is at the root of the divide between the pro- and anti-protestors imo.

Protesting because fans are angry and have no other outlet is understandable but, because it is centred on meeting the need of angry fans' to express themselves, has no strategy to achieve the removal of their anger: new owners.

That is only one aspect of the protests, the most visible one if you like.

No-one can make owners sell if they don't want to. What we can do is to help them want to. And come up with solutions like Dan's and to get others interested. If the fans go quiet, what then?

If you say it won't make any difference, then protests, at the least, can't be doing any harm can they? But there are people saying they're harmful and Glens 's on a monster ego trip and the organisers can't be trusted and all the rest of it without having any ideas of their own.

[ABBEY]

Most people I have spoken to down SouthWORLDWIDE think Venky's/Kean are complete numptys, and if they weren't aware they were after we had finished our conversation.

Sorted.

Only quoting this because it is at the root of the divide between the pro- and anti-protestors imo.

Protesting because fans are angry and have no other outlet is understandable but, because it is centred on meeting the need of angry fans' to express themselves, has no strategy to achieve the removal of their anger: new owners.

From what I read, the Liverpool protests eventually worked because they were driven by a clear goal and a clear strategy to achieve that, which was not about letting off steam.

I agree with what GlenN wrote earlier (or on another thread); if the goal is for some potential new owners to persuade the current owners to sell up, then marches up and down Livesey Branch Road, yellow and black shirts and whatnot do nothing to help achieve this. The Raos HAVE to be brought back into some form of dialogue with someone as a necessary first step - they'll never sell up if they never speak to anyone - so to my mind all efforts have to be directed to this.

no matter wether is marching,yellow,politicians or sponsors the pig ignorent owd hag is silent and is like a two year old sulking and wobbling her bottom lip stood in the corner.

[AspRover]

To be honest, I've felt like that for months, I feel like I can be honest about it now.

It's getting odd for me, its not like I want us to lose, and I'm still happy if we get a good result but if we lose I don't care as much and if we win I don't care as much. I think I'm just starting to become slightly immune to football.

[gumboots]

It's getting odd for me, its not like I want us to lose, and I'm still happy if we get a good result but if we lose I don't care as much and if we win I don't care as much. I think I'm just starting to become slightly immune to football.

This actually is the most worrying aspect of it all - I and quite a few others I know, find ourselves sliding into apathy and that is almost more damaging than anything. I was annoyed by the loss on saturday, but I watched it. Usually when Rovers lose, particularly if we lose spectacularly like that, I can't bear to look. I found myself observing it as though it was another team, one I didn't really care about at all and just thinking "Poor them" a bit like when Wigan got stuffed by spurs a couple fo seasons ago. The first protests seem a long, long way away now and progress seems a long way off still. I know Glen has assured us that a lot has gone on that we don't all see and a lot is still going on, but for your efforts to feel meaningful you have to be able to see progress. I still want rid of this whole poisonous crew; show me something worth doing and I'll do my best to do it, but increasingly I find myself thinking "Why bother?" I don't want to feel like this and maybe it is just a bit of post viral depression and winter weariness and spring will find me refreshed and renewed, but just now it doesn't seem worth the time, effort or trouble to try to do anything Rovers related. Not going to Saturday's match, not cos I'm boycotting but because I'm going to a wedding instead, but to be honest - I'm not bothered, and I never thought I'd hear myself say that.

[Sandiway Blue]

This actually is the most worrying aspect of it all - I and quite a few others I know, find ourselves sliding into apathy and that is almost more damaging than anything. I was annoyed by the loss on saturday, but I watched it. Usually when Rovers lose, particularly if we lose spectacularly like that, I can't bear to look. I found myself observing it as though it was another team, one I didn't really care about at all and just thinking "Poor them" a bit like when Wigan got stuffed by spurs a couple fo seasons ago. The first protests seem a long, long way away now and progress seems a long way off still. I know Glen has assured us that a lot has gone on that we don't all see and a lot is still going on, but for your efforts to feel meaningful you have to be able to see progress. I still want rid of this whole poisonous crew; show me something worth doing and I'll do my best to do it, but increasingly I find myself thinking "Why bother?" I don't want to feel like this and maybe it is just a bit of post viral depression and winter weariness and spring will find me refreshed and renewed, but just now it doesn't seem worth the time, effort or trouble to try to do anything Rovers related. Not going to Saturday's match, not cos I'm boycotting but because I'm going to a wedding instead, but to be honest - I'm not bothered, and I never thought I'd hear myself say that.

That pretty much sums me up at the moment.The way it`s going,if Venky`s are still the owners at the start of next season,then I won`t be getting a season ticket for the first time in 22 years.

And that`s regardless of which division we are in.

[davulsukur]

It's getting odd for me, its not like I want us to lose, and I'm still happy if we get a good result but if we lose I don't care as much and if we win I don't care as much. I think I'm just starting to become slightly immune to football.

Similar for me really. Venkys/Kean have pretty much killed my passion for Rovers, which is worrying, once they are both gone i think it will return. Part of the reason is, i expect us to lose most (pretty much all) games now, and even after a defeat, we know nothing will change to try and solve the problems.

I am not getting immune to football tho, i can happily sit down and enjoy a game of footy as a neutral.

[Boner]

I'm completely disenfranchised at the moment. The club no longer represents me, my town or my values. As fans we're treated with apathy bordering on disdain and I'm finding it very difficult not to feel the same way back.

The sooner these farmers get the hell out the better.

[John]

Speaking to non Rovers fans, they are quite surprised there has not been more widespread anger/protests thus far – taking into account the contempt, complete lack of respect shown by the owners (and manager) towards the club and the fans, I would say Rovers fans have behaved well all things considering.

An example being Kean receiving a new contract/pay rise on the back of dragging BRFC into the bottom 3 and his overall results record which is horrific – this was basically putting 2 fingers up at the fans also illustrating complete disregard for the results the team was getting on the pitch.

To compound things, the radio silence since mid November shows little regard for our current predicament (which is grave).

Regardless of the protests taking place or not, I think the Rao family don’t have a clue what to do, they never have done and they don’t know what to do now either – their lack of understanding and available finance has been the fundamental problem in all this. Not just the lack of knowledge on football, but the way a football club should be run plus being aware from the outset of the high operational costs involved.

They were brought into football ownership by a sports agency, as they were looking to further promote their brand in new markets. It might have seemed a good, sensible idea however also taking into account cultural factors/difference, the way they have gone about owning a football club, along with not having the necessary free cash to make it work has left us where we are today.

[Mattyblue]

More widepsread anger like the Bolton game, in which we were absolutely slaughtered by the media and other clubs fans?

[John]

More widepsread anger like the Bolton game, in which we were absolutely slaughtered by the media and other clubs fans?

I was talking about fans Matty who are not aware of what has really gone on - the ones I have spoken with seem to realise now the true extent of what we have become and (kind of) why.

Looking back there was mass overeaction to the Bolton game - certainly if you compare it with the behaviour with other clubs fans recent behaviour.

It didn't help high profile managers, which they always will do, came out and had a go at us and defended one of their own. It also took place when there were a lot of back to back matches therefore managers were in the media more with pre match conferences (so we had the joys of SSN covering it as if nothing else was going on).

LMA statement too didn't help.

[funny-old-game]

Has anyone read the book 'An Epic Swindle' which is about Liverpool under Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

It's a must read for all Rovers fans, the comparisons are frighting!

[rovers11]

For anyone doubting whether the two Ians's would be able to muster a consortium together to buy the club, this is certainly worth a read:

http://www.insidermedia.com/productsandservices/archive/nwbi/2005-10/lunch/

It's a report from a few years ago but still relevant.

The Ian's are our biggest hope imo

[47er]

For anyone doubting whether the two Ians's would be able to muster a consortium together to buy the club, this is certainly worth a read:

http://www.insidermedia.com/productsandservices/archive/nwbi/2005-10/lunch/

It's a report from a few years ago but still relevant.

The Ian's are our biggest hope imo

Wow! Thanks for that. If they don't have the necessary themselves, they wiil certainly know who does!