[Archived] Venky's willing to sell?

[47er]

Full respect for this post. You have said what I feel and have thought for weeks. A few weeks ago I heard something, which I cannot yet repeat that got my back up on very very simular lines to what you have posted. Which questioned my trust in those who were organising the protests.

If it is true that the protests started with good intentions. Then changed to a quest to try for a takeover. I think if BRAG had said this - people would have respected that. But if it is true that people have been going about this very snide and using supporters for their own aims. Then that is dsgusting.

Venkys are bad owners that can not be disputed. But what if they knew - not saying they did - that the real nature of the protests were designed to get the club off their hands. Therefore withdrew from putting funds into the club - to sack Kean and for the last transfer window - which has now put the club at risk of relegation. That also raises questions.

Pathetic.

[PAFELL]

I think there's a world of difference between a protest leading to a takeover and a takeover leading/being involved in the protests. I hope it's not true.

If it is given all we've experienced since the chicken people descended then I wouldn't want any new era to start on a foundation of lies. All along we have been told the protests are a vehicle to get Kean/Venky's out, not to maneuver someone in.

Agreed

Pathetic.

Why.

If supporters have been dilberately used to bring down the price of the club to force a takeover. Not saying that is the case. Even if it means relegation first. That is what is pathetic.

Venkys are without doubt bad owners. But I would not want owners who have forced a takeover by lying to it supporters.

[47er]

Your right, you have read far to much into it. Your not used to conspiracy theories.

No my point and what I inferred from Paul was that it as accepted by the protest group that relegation might be needed to achieve thier goals.

They see it as a neccessary evil. I believe this is a minority view amongst fans.

Do I think they activley working to get Rovers relegated. No not at all. But hardly makes them 'model' supporters does it and I certainly don't want them speaking on my behalf.

I want the club back from Venky's but in an ordered and structured way.

We would all like Rovers back from Venkys "in an ordered and structured way" but beggars might not be able to be choosers eh?

What you're discussing is another side of an old argument we used to have on here. Do you prefer Rovers to win on Saturday and Kean to increase his chances of staying or etc etc. We were divided about that till we realised we could lose 13-0 and it wouldn't worry Venkys one jot.

So now its "would you prefer us to stay up and thus increase the chances of Venkys staying or go down and start again?"

The club is dying, if we miraculously stay up we'll have another season like this one till we go down next season.

So,if it meant new owners of a decent type, I'd sooner go down and start over. That's my opinion but that doesn't make it happen.I'm not to blame if it does,neither is any other Rovers fan.

Agreed

Why.

If supporters have been dilberately used to bring down the price of the club to force a takeover. Not saying that is the case. Even if it means relegation first. That is what is pathetic.

Venkys are without doubt bad owners. But I would not want owners who have forced a takeover by lying to it supporters.

"Not saying that is the case". Oh,course not. Weasel words.

[Hughesy]

So what me and a couple have thought for months is starting to unravel into a possibility.

There's a shock.

[Exiled in Toronto]

So,if it meant new owners of a decent type, I'd sooner go down and start over.

But this is just a repetition of the "If we'd lost at home to Arsenal, Kean would've been sacked" stuff.

No-one, including the Raos I suspect, knows what they would do if we went down. How does getting relegated AND still being owned by them sound?

Relegation under any owners is a hugely risky proposition for a club that for years now has been paying more wages than it can afford.

I don't like the Raos any more than you do, but it seems to me we have more positive possibilities if we stay up

[PAFELL]

We would all like Rovers back from Venkys "in an ordered and structured way" but beggars might not be able to be choosers eh?

What you're discussing is another side of an old argument we used to have on here. Do you prefer Rovers to win on Saturday and Kean to increase his chances of staying or etc etc. We were divided about that till we realised we could lose 13-0 and it wouldn't worry Venkys one jot.

So now its "would you prefer us to stay up and thus increase the chances of Venkys staying or go down and start again?"

The club is dying, if we miraculously stay up we'll have another season like this one till we go down next season.

So,if it meant new owners of a decent type, I'd sooner go down and start over. That's my opinion but that doesn't make it happen.I'm not to blame if it does,neither is any other Rovers fan.

"Not saying that is the case". Oh,course not. Weasel words.

IF the scenario painted by OscarRavens post is correct - until we know more we cannot say either way (for now) So nobody can really say this is the case or is not the case, at the moment.

[Majiball]

But if you maneuver them out, somebody must come in! Nothing wrong with planning for that if you can. Rovers won't go down because of protests. That argument is grotesque. Rovers will go down because we were appallingly managed by the owners who, amongst other idiocies sacked a terrific manager and appointed/retained a crap one. Let's leave the "its the Rovers fans fault to the media".

If we go down, a consortium involving local businessmen who are supporters would be as good as it gets surely, unless another Jack comes forward.

Your missing the point.

Any support of the protests is now support for that particular bid or group bidding. That is not what was discussed at the start and so consequently now before they have even bid, we the fans have yet again been lied too. We've seen the club try and manipulate fans this season and this is no different, but because they are local it's alright? Just because they are local does not make the lie any less.

You'll notice I never said the protests are the reason we will go down, that's you reading my words and adding in your own.

[broadsword]

Personally I would much rather we stay up and hope the Raos get fed up anyway.

Bugger all chance of that methinks.

Even if they did decide to sell up, I'd imagine that they'd demand a totally unrealistic price for the club. They are not easy people to deal with. We'd end up with the club in limbo, with negligent owners hawking the club around for an unrealistic price ... look at bhow badly we've fared with the club not on the market. If these numb-skulls actively try to get rid of the club, there'll be even more instability.

It's something of a catch 22 situation. Stay up and endure the venky nightmare for longer, or go down and get shot of them but see the club get considerably weaker and possibly suffer further descents.

I'd like them to sell now, but the club is their "baby". God, just the thought of that brainless arse saying that on telly makes my blood boil.

[ABBEY]

Could you and Paul please provide evedence of your accusations .

[Stuart]

Message to Paul and others.

Please never again complain about Venkys.

In fact, I think you should just come out and say what you are really thinking. Who is it you don't like? Glen Mullan? Ian Battersby? Wayne Wild? Because this is obviously a personal vendetta.

How have the protests been engineered to bring about relegation and an hostile takeover? They haven't even brought about any defeats!

I think you are giving people too much "credit" to make them out to be some kind of evil geniuses. There is no doubt the protests have evolved and the approach has changed but that is only because we are in uncharted territory in terms of football club ownership and NOTHING will work. One approach in these circumstance is to give up, another is to try to do something.

People moan about foreign ownership, saying we could have had Ali Sayed or Gaydamak. Then a potential local consortium is shown this kind of disdain and vicious rumour mongering for their efforts to get our club back.

Disgusting.

[Ozz]

The logic is flawed. Hope we get relegated so Venkys sell the club, allowing us to get new owners whos prime directive would be to get us back in the Premier League?

[Mattyblue]

Somebody needs to explain this to me.

BRAG is a front organisation for Messers Wild, Battersby and Currie to launch a takeover?

Why? Why would they need to involve BRAG at all?

[PAFELL]

Somebody needs to explain this to me.

BRAG is a front organisation for Messers Wild, Battersby and Currie to launch a takeover?

Why? Why would they need to involve BRAG at all?

I think the two Ian's are seperate to wild etc.

[Roost]

I have just read this on the BRAG facebook page

The Action Groups committee has provisionally agreed a meeting with Chief Executive of Blackburn Rovers which will happen before the next home game, whilst the group is heavily involved in a potential takeover bid being led by Wayne Wild, this is in full conjunction with the Action Group.

The progress in the last 72 hours has been immense and for the first time the appears to be light at the end of the tunnel, together we stand - divided we fall

'full conjunction with the Action Group'? What does that mean? A conjunction is a word that joins together two sentences.

What connection do BRAG have to WW and his takeover bid, and why is there even any involvement from BRAG?

Having read other posts and Twitter comments, this whole thing is very very strange.

[Miker]

Glen openly admitted on this board back in November when the Qatari "bid" was made public that the protests shifted from "Kean Out" to trying to force Venky's to sell. That is a fact. This latest news about BRAG further confirms it.

[TBTF]

I am with you on this Pafell. The BRAG thing is nothing to do with the Currie/Battersby plan.The BRAG is Mullan/Wild and their group whereas the Ian's are on their own as 2 business fans.

Am not saying i know alot about either group just what ive read on here. Are they rival bidders to each other? Its all a bit weird cos I got the feeling Mullan wasn't an Ians lover from some of his posts yet Wild and Battersby were on same radio show blasting Venkys.

You would think its 2 lots of fans fighting for the same goal but i think their strategies are a million miles removed from each other. ?

But then again is there any bid at all? Bottom line is the Chicken fiddlers havent said they want out. AND THATS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM

[PAFELL]

'full conjunction with the Action Group'? What does that mean? A conjunction is a word that joins together two sentences.

What connection do BRAG have to WW and his takeover bid, and why is there even any involvement from BRAG?

Having read other posts and Twitter comments, this whole thing is very very strange.

Now that does pose an interesting question. Maybe somebody will answer.

Nobody likes being used or manipulated - if that is what has been happening. Matters not where they come from.

It appears there has been a local bid, different to WW. Which appears to have been blanked by owners. This was Nicko's article in people today. That article was not about Wayne Wild. But somebody else. So it appears.

[Doug]

I suppose we need an ITK to actually post some info on here, before conclusions and informed debate can commence.

I can't help drawing some similarities to 'Animal Farm'.

[rovers11]

I don't really get thes conspiracy theories.

The way I see it is the protesters initially wanted Venky's to sack steve kean and start running the club properly. When it became obvious that was not going to happen the protests turned to 'Venkys out'. However, there is no chance of getting venkys out unless there is someone to buy the club. I guess that's where the idea of putting together a possible takeover together came from.

The key point is these protesters are genuine rovers fans. Very much doubt there is anything underhand.

[rhodie]

Apparently, This article is in todays Sunday People.

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If this article is indeed true you really have to wonder what is it that the Venkys are hoping to achieve.It just doesn`t make any sense .With the losses in money,bad P.R.,Likely relegation, what is it they are holding onto.It is completely baffling.So much of this mess could have been avoided by simple communication.

[Stuart]

I don't really get thes conspiracy theories.

The way I see it is the protesters initially wanted Venky's to sack steve kean and start running the club properly. When it became obvious that was not going to happen the protests turned to 'Venkys out'. However, there is no chance of getting venkys out unless there is someone to buy the club. I guess that's where the idea of putting together a possible takeover together came from.

The key point is these protesters are genuine rovers fans. Very much doubt there is anything underhand.

Agree with this.

[Majiball]

Message to Paul and others.

Please never again complain about Venkys.

In fact, I think you should just come out and say what you are really thinking. Who is it you don't like? Glen Mullan? Ian Battersby? Wayne Wild? Because this is obviously a personal vendetta.

How have the protests been engineered to bring about relegation and an hostile takeover? They haven't even brought about any defeats!

I think you are giving people too much "credit" to make them out to be some kind of evil geniuses. There is no doubt the protests have evolved and the approach has changed but that is only because we are in uncharted territory in terms of football club ownership and NOTHING will work. One approach in these circumstance is to give up, another is to try to do something.

People moan about foreign ownership, saying we could have had Ali Sayed or Gaydamak. Then a potential local consortium is shown this kind of disdain and vicious rumour mongering for their efforts to get our club back.

Disgusting.

Just as you feel the method justifes the outcome, others will not.

No-one is slagging the idea of a local buying the club. But since we've spent 18 odd months dealing with liars, I don't want any new regime to start on a foundation of lies. I want to be able to trust my club again and if this method is used IE the protest group supporting and endorsing one particular bid then that will be the case. You see the protests should be seperate as people signed on because they were aimed at removing Kean, then Venky's and it appears they wish to put in place one particular individual now. So is it really about said removal or about getting someone in? The two for me are very different and I await GM's comments. If it transpires that the protests have been influenced by a bidder, then they have completely lost there focus and others will withdraw support. Should WW take over the club, then there will always be doubt over whether the truth is being told, it's natural.

Whether they are trying to relegate the club who knows, I'd like to think no fan would want that. But that's irrelevent, support given by the protest group to one individual means it's no longer about removing Kean and Venky's, it's about getting WW in, nothing more.

Even it all transpires to be drivel, can you blame people for being the way they are given all that has transpired under Venky's?

I don't.

[Mercer]

Possible scenario:

Venky's are sick to the back teeth with Rovers as their brand image is now suffering in India, any visit to Ewood would be with trepidation and Rovers' issues are causing family rifts.

They need Rovers like a hole in their head, however, it's most unlikely that they have ever been challenged so openly as in recent months and they wont like it one little bit.

As such, they have become so bloody minded about this thorn in their side that they decide to run the club into the ground, especially as there is no natural affiliation with the club, and they can still walk away with their initial investment.

How likely is this scenario ?

Well, no doubt we will all have our own views. However, if the Quatari interest was geniune and they have been approached by a local consortium, as reported today, and they are blanking such potential deals, then you have to ask what their motives are. Alternatively, there has been conspiracy speculation regarding true ownership of Rovers.

My guess is the local interest is via Battersby & Currie although it's almost certain that they will need wealthy backers to make the finances work - isn't this their type of business anyhow ? IMV, neither Battersby, Currie nor Wild will either individually, or collectively, have the type of money to make this work.

[K-Hod]

Allow me to spell it out for you in a way Paul won't. BRAG have a vested interest in the club getting relegated to complete thier takeover (they don't have the resources to takeover a premier leauge club).

How many people thought they were signing up to that?

I'm afraid this group has lost any credibilty in my eyes and if they think 40 people at thier open supporters gives them a mandate then they are mistaken.

I want Venky's out as much as the next person, but I don't believe that it has to be via the oblivion of administration, points deductions and free fall through the leagues.

I would also question the motives of any buyer that would advocate this to bring the club within range of thier buying power.

Best interests of Blackburn Rovers?

If that's true, what if we get promoted??

[Glenn]

If this article is indeed true you really have to wonder what is it that the Venkys are hoping to achieve.It just doesn`t make any sense .With the losses in money,bad P.R.,Likely relegation, what is it they are holding onto.It is completely baffling.So much of this mess could have been avoided by simple communication.

The answer, as I've been pointing out for a while now is pride. A potential buyer alone isn't enough, they don't need the money, they feel the bad PR of "giving in" is worse than they're already getting. If a new buyer wants in, they need to give them a dignified exit strategy. Simple-as.