[Archived] Venky's willing to sell?

[PAFELL]

Posted A minute ago

mark1875, on 22 February 2012 - 17:07 PM, said:

It was a low level enquiry made to low level people. People are getting carried away thinking they made a stone cold cash offer for the club, if they wanted the club they would have persisted with it, or even looked at other premier league clubs yet they did neither.

What are you on FFS?

Anyone below Mrs D is low level in this regime

Did we not all hear that there was a vote between the four venkys and and one of the brothers said no to selling. Therefore Mrs D was involved.

Go pick on somebody else to troll.

[mark1875]

So your saying Kamy is lying then. Because I asked him that question. He confirmed it was NOT low level people talking to low level people. Personally I believe the account given by Kamy.

Did we not all hear that there was a vote between the four venkys and and one of the brothers said no to selling. Therefore Mrs D was involved.

Go pick on somebody else to troll.

Ok then, that's probably why no news corporation was interested, The 'buyers' never even made a single comment regarding it and bar one report in a Sunday gossip paper, which the reporter later said the 'bidders' were not serious people, i suppose is all just circumstantial because one person knows the truth

ok, course they bid more than club's worth and then went back to sleep

[yoda]

Did we not all hear that there was a vote between the four venkys and and one of the brothers said no to selling. Therefore Mrs D was involved.

Go pick on somebody else to troll.

What the hell are you talking about.

If Mrs D says no then it is no, remember the alleged try at sacking coco, Mrs D said no, so he is still here,

not trolling, just pointing out how negative you are and how you are trying to manipulate other posters into your way of thinking, whatever that may be

[PAFELL]

What the hell are you talking about.

If Mrs D says no then it is no, remember the alleged try at sacking coco, Mrs D said no, so he is still here,

not trolling, just pointing out how negative you are and how you are trying to manipulate other posters into your way of thinking, whatever that may be

You have just agreed with what I said. The Qatar interest went right to the top. It went to Mrs D etc. Not low level people.

Asking a question is neither being negative or being maniplutive.

Ok then, that's probably why no news corporation was interested, The 'buyers' never even made a single comment regarding it and bar one report in a Sunday gossip paper, which the reporter later said the 'bidders' were not serious people, i suppose is all just circumstantial because one person knows the truth

ok, course they bid more than club's worth and then went back to sleep

Kamy has already told us that when Qatar finish the villa deal - if that goes through. Qatar will then explain what happened with regards to their interest in Rovers.

[mark1875]

Kamy has already told us that when Qatar finish the villa deal - if that goes through. Qatar will then explain what happened with regards to their interest in Rovers.

Lol and that then, is the stonewall proof that Venky's rejected a bid from them and have no interest in selling Rovers?

[yoda]

You have just agreed with what I said. The Qatar interest went right to the top. It went to Mrs D etc. Not low level people.

Asking a question is neither being negative or being maniplutive.

Kamy has already told us that when Qatar finish the villa deal - if that goes through. Qatar will then explain what happened with regards to their interest in Rovers.

No I did not agree with you, show me any posts/articles that says a bid or offer went to Ms D, all I have read is that Mrs D did not want to sack coco, hence he is still here

[PAFELL]

Lol and that then, is the stonewall proof that Venky's rejected a bid from them and have no interest in selling Rovers?

Kamy's word on this subject, is good enough for me. I also suspect many others on here as well. I said nothing about interest in selling. Only that the Qatar bid went to Mrs D etc.

[mark1875]

Kamy's word on this subject, is good enough for me. I also suspect many others on here as well. I said nothing about interest in selling. Only that the Qatar bid went to Mrs D etc.

Didn't you?? :lol:

Just a thought if venkys were not prepared to sell to qatar who offered a substantial amount. What makes people believe they will take the cheap option?

If not prepared to sell for a profit. Why would they do it at a loss?

Even the only person who outed the story admitted it was never more than slight interest, yet if one person apparently knowing something which can't be released publicly is enough for you to believe they won't sell the club then maybe we should all just give up bothering eh.

[yoda]

Posted A minute ago

PAFELL, on 22 February 2012 - 18:53 PM, said:

Kamy's word on this subject, is good enough for me. I also suspect many others on here as well. I said nothing about interest in selling. Only that the Qatar bid went to Mrs D etc.

Didn't you?? :lol:

PAFELL, on 22 February 2012 - 16:37 PM, said:

Just a thought if venkys were not prepared to sell to qatar who offered a substantial amount. What makes people believe they will take the cheap option?

If not prepared to sell for a profit. Why would they do it at a loss?

Even the only person who outed the story admitted it was never more than slight interest, yet if one person apparently knowing something which can't be released publicly is enough for you to believe they won't sell the club then maybe we should all just give up bothering eh.

Mark has got you bang to rights there Pafell

[OhmiBRFC]

So your saying Kamy is lying then. Because I asked him that question. He confirmed it was NOT low level people talking to low level people. Personally I believe the account given by Kamy.

Where at any point in that did Mark say that Kamy was lying?

Deary me.

[thenodrog]

Just a thought if venkys were not prepared to sell to qatar who offered a substantial amount.

I never heard any figures Pafell. Do you know how much their bid was? Judging by events since when one single refused bid appears to have seen them off it certainly doesn't seem that they were very committed.

Maybe they were only bidding for us to panic the owner(s) of their real target? That would make most sense of their alleged involvement in our club.

Back to the topic: if they sell now they have a huge loss of face;

Not if they declare a profit on their investment. That would turn their involvement into perceived good business.

[Daniel Louis Grabko (Dan)]

Just a thought if venkys were not prepared to sell to qatar who offered a substantial amount. What makes people believe they will take the cheap option?

If not prepared to sell for a profit. Why would they do it at a loss?

First of all, Pafell, you raise a legitimate point, and it is a good question. There are factors to take into consideration, though. The stage of the season that bid came in, the size of the bid, the reaction and processing of it, the persistence of it, etc. are all contributing factors....now we've gone off on tangents again yelling at each other again.

I think it would be fair to say that everything about that approach by Qatari interests is pure speculation at this point, including the size of the bid - we honestly don't know that any more than we do about how and who made the decision to reject it, and why.

[PAFELL]

Where at any point in that did Mark say that Kamy was lying?

Deary me.

I asked a question. Because mark's version is different to kamy's.

Therefore one account is the truth and the other not.

First of all, Pafell, you raise a legitimate point, and it is a good question. There are factors to take into consideration, though. The stage of the season that bid came in, the size of the bid, the reaction and processing of it, the persistence of it, etc. are all contributing factors....now we've gone off on tangents again yelling at each other again.

I think it would be fair to say that everything about that approach by Qatari interests is pure speculation at this point, including the size of the bid - we honestly don't know that any more than we do about how and who made the decision to reject it, and why.

Thank you Daniel for willing to talk about it. Which is all I was doing.

I also agree with much of your post. At the time of the Qatar interest, not all the owners were interested in selling. Therefore did not.

Of course tomorrow is another day. Different things happen etc. Different interest, reasons come along. I hope venkys do sell. But I have this horrible feeling they won't.

[yoda]

I asked a question. Because mark's version is different to kamy's.

Therefore one account is the truth and the other not.

Thank you Daniel for willing to talk about it. Which is all I was doing.

Theres' a guy down our chip shop who swears he is Elvis

the real one is not denying it, so it must be true

[Majiball]

Lol and that then, is the stonewall proof that Venky's rejected a bid from them and have no interest in selling Rovers?

I take it you have stonewall proof that it was just a low level enquiry?

Please don't hold up a newspaper article as every rovers fan knows they just print what they want or are asked.

I've been told it was a take it or leave it offer as they saw a chance to get a prem club cheap, but Venky's wouldn't play ball, so they moved on. Whether low level or not it's the only serious they've nhad recently.

[Al]

OK I'll take advice sarcastically given. Troll Pafell is on ignore.

[ABBEY]

OK I'll take advice sarcastically given. Troll Pafell is on ignore.

hes the one who says he has pm's off people supporting him.....just like coco has.

[mark1875]

I take it you have stonewall proof that it was just a low level enquiry?

Please don't hold up a newspaper article as every rovers fan knows they just print what they want or are asked.

I've been told it was a take it or leave it offer as they saw a chance to get a prem club cheap, but Venky's wouldn't play ball, so they moved on. Whether low level or not it's the only serious they've nhad recently.

So does this mean they are not going to sell if we go down then?

or was my point in reply to Pafell correct?

[yoda]

hes the one who says he has pm's off people supporting him.....just like coco has.

can you get 500 pm's in your inbox?

thats a scary image

[Mercer]

With the best will in the world, IMO, all this local consortium business will simply not work.

You need serious capital to underpin any proposal and contingency.

Easier said than done but we need one or two individuals with serious wealth to be interested otherwise Venky's will just do what is necessary to get their money back, have no doubts about that.

This is not being negative nor disrespectful of those involved but it is merely being practical and realistic. I have been involved in a number of m.b.o. proposals and only one was completed and that failed within 12 months owing to under-funding and the almost inevitable internal politics that evolve. IMO, the similarities with what is being proposed for Rovers are quite clear.

[yoda]

With the best will in the world, IMO, all this local consortium business is nonsense.

You need serious capital to underpin any proposal and contingency.

Easier said than done but we need one or two individuals with serious wealth to be interested otherwise Venky's will just do what is necessary to get their money back, have no doubts about that.

This is not being negative nor disrespectful of those involved but it is merely being practical and realistic. I have been involved in a number of m.b.o. proposals and only one was completed and that failed within 12 months owing to under-funding and the almost inevitable internal politics that evolve. The similarities with what is being proposed for Rovers are quite clear.

If the stories are true, that sounds like the Rao family,

so it could be out of the frying pan and into the fire,

lets hope the 3rd party is more credible(or any other group that is watching and waiting in the wings)

[PAFELL]

With the best will in the world, IMO, all this local consortium business will simply not work.

You need serious capital to underpin any proposal and contingency.

Easier said than done but we need one or two individuals with serious wealth to be interested otherwise Venky's will just do what is necessary to get their money back, have no doubts about that.

This is not being negative nor disrespectful of those involved but it is merely being practical and realistic. I have been involved in a number of m.b.o. proposals and only one was completed and that failed within 12 months owing to under-funding and the almost inevitable internal politics that evolve. IMO, the similarities with what is being proposed for Rovers are quite clear.

Agreed one of the problems is if money needs to be raised and banks won't give loans. Money just for day to day running of the club. Sponsorship would not be enough.

It would be left to shareholders to cough up. That would be the fans.

Good idea in principle. But the practical maybe different. Fan ownership should be 20% max. Just as swansea did.

[OhmiBRFC]

I asked a question. Because mark's version is different to kamy's.

Therefore one account is the truth and the other not.

Maybe one person has been fed wrong information? You don't know so to say someone is lying is a pretty strong accusation IMO.

[mark1875]

Maybe one person has been fed wrong information? You don't know so to say someone is lying is a pretty strong accusation IMO.

He likes to accuse people of things, he does it often - water off a ducks back

They put the ball in the Qatari court, the Qatari's fell silent

http://www.rovers.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10303~2517009,00.html

If the Qatari's came out and told what Pafell assures us is the truth, the club would look very silly, alas someone must question why they never.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We really are all going round and round like a dog chasing its tale!