[Archived] More kean lies

[bob fleming]

I've been thinking for ages, if anyone had time, it would be great to go back through all SKs previous interviews and statements to highlight all the things that are either a bit of a PR own goal (the new Chris Smalling type stuff), have turned out to be not true or promises that have yet to be fulfilled.

On Friday there was a meme on twitter that would be a good starting point (though not all are technically accurate).

https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23irememberwhenkeansaid

Is that the same stuff as listed on (superb BTW) post 14 of this thread?

[Silencio]

I said exactly the same thing quite some time ago, it is largely Big Sam/JW's fault that he was only given 2 years which didn't really show much belief in his abilities. Off the back of all of that running around to Canada etc. to see his dad/agent, it seemed idiotic only to offer 2 years . Perhaps it was the safety net of knowing that he wouldn't be able to leave for nothing at the end of the contract.

Rovers put a deal in place many months ago that reading between the lines Hoilett agreed to sign. So, honestly I can't see why Kean should get vilified for this one.

Disagree. Hoilett has shown himself to be canny and difficult to deal with and it seems he signed the 2 year contract to give himself flexibility. However, Sam actually did get him to sign and I am confident he would have got him to extend it had he not got knifed by his staff.

Kean dished out contracts last January and went on record to say he had chosen to wait till the Summer to talk to Junior. By this time it was clear that we were a sinking ship because of who was in charge so Hoilett has strung us along (and why would he not, considering what's happened on Kean's watch?).

Kean didn't have to go on record and say that he had "chosen" to delay contract talks until the summer of 2011. He didn't then have to go on and repeatedly state he would "sign within 24 hours".

Hoilett signed under Sam when the club was stable, he passed on it under Kean when we had become a joke.

[saosin]

I said exactly the same thing quite some time ago, it is largely Big Sam/JW's fault that he was only given 2 years which didn't really show much belief in his abilities. Off the back of all of that running around to Canada etc. to see his dad/agent, it seemed idiotic only to offer 2 years . Perhaps it was the safety net of knowing that he wouldn't be able to leave for nothing at the end of the contract.

Rovers put a deal in place many months ago that reading between the lines Hoilett agreed to sign. So, honestly I can't see why Kean should get vilified for this one.

Hoilett leaving shouldn't be a big problem, we surely have a lot of money remaining from "the biggest transfer budget Rovers has ever had" to buy a replacement.

Or is that right? Kean is on a consistent basis proving to everyone what a pathetic little man he really is.

Why would Hoilett want to stay when we have

1)A clown posing as a manager. He might as well start growing out that hair beside the monk patch and paint his nose red.

2)scumbag, lying, tightwad owners running the club like a joke

[Pedro]

You can't see why he shouldn't be given more time either!

Care to explain?

If you are referring to the sack him now vote that I did... and me voting no because at the moment because nobody decent would consider it...which would leave us even worse off without someone to run training, pick the team, answer the phone, speak to the media, make the brews and scrub the bogs - then I know what you mean.

If that is what you mean then seriously, it is an odd scenario but have a go at seeing how comically worse it could become at Ewood without him actually being there because if you genuinely feel that someone established would put up with what that knob does, then I'm all ears for who they are. The club is in an absolute mess, he isn't by far the best man for the job...but my anger isn't towards him, it is towards the people who chose to sell us to this current bunch and the current bunch themselves who simply hide behind him.

[Elvis McSmithy]

I said exactly the same thing quite some time ago, it is largely Big Sam/JW's fault that he was only given 2 years which didn't really show much belief in his abilities. Off the back of all of that running around to Canada etc. to see his dad/agent, it seemed idiotic only to offer 2 years . Perhaps it was the safety net of knowing that he wouldn't be able to leave for nothing at the end of the contract.

Rovers put a deal in place many months ago that reading between the lines Hoilett agreed to sign. So, honestly I can't see why Kean should get vilified for this one.

the way holiet looked and was playing two years ago wasnt deserving of a long term deal(OK.. he was playing out of position under tactics that didnt suit him), Kean is hust passing the buck as usual, also as previous poster as mentioned its only normal to give a shorter term deal to young players untill they real establish themselves.

[Pedro]

Disagree. Hoilett has shown himself to be canny and difficult to deal with and it seems he signed the 2 year contract to give himself flexibility. However, Sam actually did get him to sign and I am confident he would have got him to extend it had he not got knifed by his staff.

Kean dished out contracts last January and went on record to say he had chosen to wait till the Summer to talk to Junior. By this time it was clear that we were a sinking ship because of who was in charge so Hoilett has strung us along (and why would he not, considering what's happened on Kean's watch?).

Kean didn't have to go on record and say that he had "chosen" to delay contract talks until the summer of 2011. He didn't then have to go on and repeatedly state he would "sign within 24 hours".

Hoilett signed under Sam when the club was stable, he passed on it under Kean when we had become a joke.

Flip side of that would be, why would Hoilett re-sign for a team he wasn't playing in or in a style that wouldn't suit him(under Big Sam)? So I'd argue that he wouldn't get him to sign at all.

Also, out of interest, what deal would you have offered to Hoilett after seeing him in action for 6 weeks only - and do you not feel that it was common sense not to review it until the summer?

May I also point out that I am of the camp who appreciates players actually seeing out their contracts so it is up to them whether or not they choose to sign the next one, so I don't actually blame him for seeing how things pan out. If he plays to his capabilities, he is too good for this team anyway.

[Amo]

Care to explain?

If you are referring to the sack him now vote that I did... and me voting no because at the moment because nobody decent would consider it...which would leave us even worse off without someone to run training, pick the team, answer the phone, speak to the media, make the brews and scrub the bogs - then I know what you mean.

If that is what you mean then seriously, it is an odd scenario but have a go at seeing how comically worse it could become at Ewood without him actually being there because if you genuinely feel that someone established would put up with what that knob does, then I'm all ears for who they are. The club is in an absolute mess, he isn't by far the best man for the job...but my anger isn't towards him, it is towards the people who chose to sell us to this current bunch and the current bunch themselves who simply hide behind him.

Hahaha! I love that. So if Kean's sacked the whole club will grind to a halt? (like it hasn't already) There would be no interim manager to take care of day-to-day activities. Everyone would just be standing around the training ground gawking at one another and shrugging their shoulders? (That's not to say that doesn't already happen from the sounds of it). Have a word with yourself, mate.

The poll is a very simple one: Should Kean Be Sacked? The answer is a resounding YES. Anyone voting otherwise is clearly out of touch with reality or has ulterior motives.

Trust me, even with the current debacle at the club (which Kean has indeed played his part in) there would no shortage of experienced managers applying for the job. Managers have an addiction to the game and bills to pay. Leaving Kean in charge because, in your mind, there's no possible alternative is frankly laughable.

[yoda]

Hahaha! I love that. So if Kean's sacked the whole club will grind to a halt? (like it hasn't already) There would be no interim manager to take care of day-to-day activities. Everyone would just be standing around the training ground gawking at one another and shrugging their shoulders? (That's not to say that doesn't already happen from the sounds of it). Have a word with yourself, mate.

The poll is a very simple one: Should Kean Be Sacked? The answer is a resounding YES. Anyone voting otherwise is clearly out of touch with reality or has ulterior motives.

Trust me, even with the current debacle at the club (which Kean has indeed played his part in) there would no shortage of experienced managers applying for the job. Managers have an addiction to the game and bills to pay. Leaving Kean in charge because, in your mind, there's no possible alternative is frankly laughable.

I wish the + option was still available

[Pedro]

the way holiet looked and was playing two years ago wasnt deserving of a long term deal(OK.. he was playing out of position under tactics that didnt suit him), Kean is hust passing the buck as usual, also as previous poster as mentioned its only normal to give a shorter term deal to young players untill they real establish themselves.

But I think it's unfair to pin this one on him. He gave Jones a better contract (which ultimately got us a larger fee) and he has given Henley (who looks capable) and Lowe improved deals...it's up to them to sign it which Hoillet has chosen not to do.

There is much more to the whole situation than, Kean is a liar - which I find really tedious. He has told lies but Sir Alex is a proven liar, Harry Redknapp is a proven liar, Roberto Mancini is a proven liar...the only difference is they are good managers...so, if the thread was "More Kean Shitmanagement" then I feel I could give everyone some warranted ammo

[Pedro]

Hahaha! I love that. So if Kean's sacked the whole club will grind to a halt? (like it hasn't already) There would be no interim manager to take care of day-to-day activities. Everyone would just be standing around the training ground gawking at one another and shrugging their shoulders? (That's not to say that doesn't already happen from the sounds of it). Have a word with yourself, mate.

The poll is a very simple one: Should Kean Be Sacked? The answer is a resounding YES. Anyone voting otherwise is clearly out of touch with reality or has ulterior motives.

Trust me, even with the current debacle at the club (which Kean has indeed played his part in) there would no shortage of experienced managers applying for the job. Managers have an addiction to the game and bills to pay. Leaving Kean in charge because, in your mind, there's no possible alternative is frankly laughable.

Haha, same old one eyed views.

So you HONESTLY think that there is a que of managers chomping at the bit to take the reins? Seriously? Who?

I've explained why I made my NO vote at that particular time (I've voted yes many times before) so go ahead, explain why he should go right now and:

1.Who should take over?

2.Why would they?

3.Why would they work with no budget?

4.What will they achieve?

Anyone with open eyes can see that the club is in a state, but if you back off from the blind hatred of the manager you can see that there is no infrastructure at all. People have gone and they haven't been replaced so that leaves you with the simple equation that the ones still there are taking on the extra work load...if you get rid of one of them, you will have to employ 3 or four others. Simply, We are fooked as long as the powers that be care to do nothing about it.

I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong but what I see at the moment is that Balaji wanted a new supertoy...but big sister will not pay to run it.

[Silencio]

Flip side of that would be, why would Hoilett re-sign for a team he wasn't playing in or in a style that wouldn't suit him(under Big Sam)? So I'd argue that he wouldn't get him to sign at all.

Also, out of interest, what deal would you have offered to Hoilett after seeing him in action for 6 weeks only - and do you not feel that it was common sense not to review it until the summer?

Well he already did it once when he signed the 2 year one. So Sam obviously did more right when he went to see him and his Dad in Canada than little Stevie did. It's also nonsense to say he wasn't playing at all.

He was being brought through slowly but was getting game time on and off in the weeks up to Sam leaving. He was probably our best player in the away win at Newcastle, if I remember rightly.

The flip side to your argument is that perhaps Hoilett would be more of a team player than he is now if Sam had been here and integrating him slowly into a team that was actually doing ok and getting results.

In response to your second paragraph my answer would be "no". The club was starting to plummet by the end of that transfer window and it was clear we were heading for a relegation battle that we wouldn't have been expecting if Kean hadn't taken charge. To let him get into his last year bearing that in mind was ridiculous and plenty on here could see that.

Once it became clear to Hoilett that we were heading to the championship he was holding the aces. He also had Kean promoting him in the press!

[Pedro]

Well he already did it once when he signed the 2 year one. So Sam obviously did more right when he went to see him and his Dad in Canada than little Stevie did. It's also nonsense to say he wasn't playing at all.

He was being brought through slowly but was getting game time on and off in the weeks up to Sam leaving. He was probably our best player in the away win at Newcastle, if I remember rightly.

The flip side to your argument is that perhaps Hoilett would be more of a team player than he is now if Sam had been here and integrating him slowly into a team that was actually doing ok and getting results.

In response to your second paragraph my answer would be "no". The club was starting to plummet by the end of that transfer window and it was clear we were heading for a relegation battle that we wouldn't have been expecting if Kean hadn't taken charge. To let him get into his last year bearing that in mind was ridiculous and plenty on here could see that.

Once it became clear to Hoilett that we were heading to the championship he was holding the aces. He also had Kean promoting him in the press!

Sorry mate, too many iffs, buts and maybes with the whole Sam signing Hoilett up again if Sam was still here arguement to go into (but I can see the sense in your response). The big issue would always have been the owners, I don't ever see a scenario where he would have stayed. I personally feel it was a slight error not giving him 3 years, hence why I think it is a valid point of view from Kean - but as you or someone else said, maybe that was Hoiletts choice...off the back of that, maybe that is why those negotiations took so long in the first place!(but regardless he can't leave for nothing so it isn't all doom and gloom).

[Amo]

Haha, same old one eyed views.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

So you HONESTLY think that there is a que of managers chomping at the bit to take the reins? Seriously? Who?

I'm not going to name names. Just look through the history books.

I've explained why I made my NO vote at that particular time (I've voted yes many times before) so go ahead, explain why he should go right now and:

1.Who should take over?

2.Why would they?

3.Why would they work with no budget?

4.What will they achieve?

Hang on. You still haven't justified why Steve Kean should remain in a job. Your best defence is 'no one else would come here'. Okay, that's preposterous, but I'm willing to roll with it for argument's sake. As it stands, Kean is taking us down. No ifs, no buts, those are the facts. Not only that but he's an anathema to the fans. So you're basically saying the club should do NOTHING about this? Even say, sacking Kean and promoting one of the senior players? You're quite happy to keep Kean at the club?

Anyone with open eyes can see that the club is in a state, but if you back off from the blind hatred of the manager you can see that there is no infrastructure at all. People have gone and they haven't been replaced so that leaves you with the simple equation that the ones still there are taking on the extra work load...if you get rid of one of them, you will have to employ 3 or four others. Simply, We are fooked as long as the powers that be care to do nothing about it.

Blind hatred? Are you sh***ing me?

[Stuart]

So you HONESTLY think that there is a que of managers chomping at the bit to take the reins? Seriously? Who?

Do you HONESTLY think that there is a manager who could do a WORSE job than Kean?

Although Venkys are believed to be the underlying problem, for all of the talk about what is happening in the background (which not a single journalist will publish, btw), this is mainly evidenced by their failure to remove a failure of a manager.

I would take Mike Newell in a heartbeat over this guy, at least we could trust his integrity and he has some affinity with the club.

[HATRIX]

All Hail The Teflon Don

[yoda]

Do you HONESTLY think that there is a manager who could do a WORSE job than Kean?

Although Venkys are believed to be the underlying problem, for all of the talk about what is happening in the background (which not a single journalist will publish, btw), this is mainly evidenced by their failure to remove a failure of a manager.

I would take Mike Newell in a heartbeat over this guy, at least we could trust his integrity and he has some affinity with the club.

Correct, that is why the Venkys/Raos have to be the target,

it is inconvievable that they would put up with this level of failure in any of their other business units,

Regarding managers, there would be quality people interested if cocco was removed, no doubt about it

[Pedro]

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

I'm not going to name names. Just look through the history books.

Hang on. You still haven't justified why Steve Kean should remain in a job. Your best defence is 'no one else would come here'. Okay, that's preposterous, but I'm willing to roll with it for argument's sake. As it stands, Kean is taking us down. No ifs, no buts, those are the facts. Not only that but he's an anathema to the fans. So you're basically saying the club should do NOTHING about this? Even say, sacking Kean and promoting one of the senior players? You're quite happy to keep Kean at the club?

Blind hatred? Are you sh***ing me?

Sire, I have blatantly said why Kean should remain in his job at this moment in time, under this current regime - hence this whole exchange. When new managers come in, they usually have an organised support network to help them hit the ground running...where is it at Rovers?

You refer to "The Club" as if this is a "club"...it is simply a disgarded, ill-thought out toy of an immature rich (or maybe even not so rich) man. The best decisions for this "club" haven't been made over the course of...well the day that they waltzed into town. Don't your history books tell you that or are they still the 2009 edition?

One polite request - name names of managers who are queing up (are they on 25k a week?)

Do you HONESTLY think that there is a manager who could do a WORSE job than Kean?

Although Venkys are believed to be the underlying problem, for all of the talk about what is happening in the background (which not a single journalist will publish, btw), this is mainly evidenced by their failure to remove a failure of a manager.

I would take Mike Newell in a heartbeat over this guy, at least we could trust his integrity and he has some affinity with the club.

Stuart, we are bottom of the league, it would be hard to do a worse job wouldn't it?

I would take MANY a manager over him - but WHO would seriously take the job!

[Elvis McSmithy]

Id dont HATE a single person on this planet, lifes to short to waste energy hating(there are a few horrible cnts around though), The primary reason kean should be long gone is simply his points record, theirs many other none personal reasons he should be well gone and also plenty of personal reasons if your that way inclined, But the 1 reason you cant deny is his results record.

As far as whod want the job, well theirs dozens of experianced/young promising managers in the lower leagues that would kill for a taste of prem league managemant, even if its only untill the end of the season when we sadly will be relagated, it would be the perfaect opportunity for them to show what they can do and put themselves in the shop window for future prem league jobs, also dozens of foreign managers that would have the same mindset, seeing it as a great opportunity.

p.s. Pedro, Your either attention seeking or just not fully tuned into reality .

[Stuart]

Stuart, we are bottom of the league, it would be hard to do a worse job wouldn't it?

I would take MANY a manager over him - but WHO would seriously take the job!

I've said consistently that ANYONE would be better than Kean. However, there will of course be managers who would apply for the job.

As I don't know any football managers to be able to ask personally them I'll have to turn the question around.

Name one football league team which does not have a manager...

...apart from Rovers!

[Pedro]

I've said consistently that ANYONE would be better than Kean. However, there will of course be managers who would apply for the job.

As I don't know any football managers to be able to ask personally them I'll have to turn the question around.

Name one football league team which does not have a manager...

...apart from Rovers!

Haha, good point!

[Rover_Shaun]

Kean spent sometime at Socieadad. I wonder if his son was born whilst out there and he named him Pedro?

[booth]

Sire, I have blatantly said why Kean should remain in his job at this moment in time, under this current regime - hence this whole exchange. When new managers come in, they usually have an organised support network to help them hit the ground running...where is it at Rovers?

You refer to "The Club" as if this is a "club"...it is simply a disgarded, ill-thought out toy of an immature rich (or maybe even not so rich) man. The best decisions for this "club" haven't been made over the course of...well the day that they waltzed into town. Don't your history books tell you that or are they still the 2009 edition?

One polite request - name names of managers who are queing up (are they on 25k a week?)

Stuart, we are bottom of the league, it would be hard to do a worse job wouldn't it?

I would take MANY a manager over him - but WHO would seriously take the job!

So you aren't saying manager won't come to the club, you're saying that they aren't willing to come for the pittance on offer. I can agree with that. Why give yourself the agony for less pay you were on in your last job. If you want something you have to pay for it. Venky's aren't.

However you are under some belief that if Kean went the club would in some way be worse off. That's laughable it really is. It's like having a demon nanny who you caught putting your baby in the oven, then not sacking her because there are no other nannies about.

[yoda]

Pedro, on 08 January 2012 - 15:39 PM, said:Sire, I have blatantly said why Kean should remain in his job at this moment in time, under this current regime - hence this whole exchange. When new managers come in, they usually have an organised support network to help them hit the ground running...where is it at Rovers?

You refer to "The Club" as if this is a "club"...it is simply a disgarded, ill-thought out toy of an immature rich (or maybe even not so rich) man. The best decisions for this "club" haven't been made over the course of...well the day that they waltzed into town. Don't your history books tell you that or are they still the 2009 edition?

One polite request - name names of managers who are queing up (are they on 25k a week?)

Stuart, we are bottom of the league, it would be hard to do a worse job wouldn't it?

I would take MANY a manager over him - but WHO would seriously take the job!

So you aren't saying manager won't come to the club, you're saying that they aren't willing to come for the pittance on offer. I can agree with that. Why give yourself the agony for less pay you were on in your last job. If you want something you have to pay for it. Venky's aren't.

However you are under some belief that if Kean went the club would in some way be worse off. That's laughable it really is. It's like having a demon nanny who you caught putting your baby in the oven, then not sacking her because there are no other nannies about.

Theres a good list of quality managers out of work at the moment who all know that the longer they are out of work the the harder it is to find a gig

[den]

A couple of quotes that have been missed.

Kean quoted on ESPN's website on 22nd November:

"Yes, there have been discussions about a new contract, but I have told the owners that this is an inappropriate time to conclude any new contract discussions. Instead, the real issue is for me and everyone else to concentrate on the games.

Rovers official website on the 23rd November:

“Following recent media speculation Blackburn Rovers FC can confirm a revision to manager Steve Kean's existing contract has been completed. An agreement made in the summer has now been formalised..

[K-Hod]

But I think it's unfair to pin this one on him. He gave Jones a better contract (which ultimately got us a larger fee) and he has given Henley (who looks capable) and Lowe improved deals...it's up to them to sign it which Hoillet has chosen not to do.

There is much more to the whole situation than, Kean is a liar - which I find really tedious. He has told lies but Sir Alex is a proven liar, Harry Redknapp is a proven liar, Roberto Mancini is a proven liar...the only difference is they are good managers...so, if the thread was "More Kean Shitmanagement" then I feel I could give everyone some warranted ammo

Yeah, but the aforementioned managers are good at their jobs!!!!