[Archived] The man at the bar scenario

[Realist]

Ok,

For 12 months the guy who regularly sits next to you in your local is a little bit obnoxious to you, he argues with your decisions when you order a drink or even a packet of nuts. For gods sake he even has the tenacity to argue when, after you have paid to play a record on the jukebox it is not the record he would have chosen, what a prick you are for playing that tune !!!

But, after the 12 months of hell he has given you he asks that you give him a few quid for a drink, enough money for a packet of the finest snacks in the house and enough money to get some decent tunes on the music machine.

What would you say if this guy was sat next to you?

I know what I would reply.......

Would you give him the cash? I know I wouldn't.

It's a scenario before you get giddy, but something to think about don't you think?

[roverandout]

huh???

[Captain Dunsel]

Why would you sit next to "this guy" for a whole year? He can't be that bad.

Or is this odd post just a cleverly disguised request for relationship advice? And "this guy" is actually "your wife"? If so, give her the money. It's not worth fighting over. Worse comes to worst and "this guy" is gonna end up with half your beer, half your snacks, and you can forget seeing that jukebox ever again.

[Miker]

It will be interesting to see how many posters completely miss the point

[perthblue02]

If it was me I'd ask my advisor who is just like a member of my family who would charge me handsomely for the service, despite not knowing anything related to the person or the pub, after all he advised me to go to that pub in the first place and said we both could make a few quid on the bandit there, he also said the locals wouldn't kick up a fuss when I fleeced the pubs fruit machine. My advisor also had the foresight to bring in the car park attendant and make him the pub manager, as well as getting his own son in there to wash the glasses, so money could be controlled even if the fruit machine scam was rumbled .

As for the abusive locals in there, who cares once Ive made a few quid they wont have a pub to go to, but Ill have lots of cash and so will my advisor

[SouthAussieRover]

If I had have fully known 12 months ago what I know now I would have changed locals.

You can't pick who owns your footy club but you can choose which pub you drink in.

So if I've got it right Realist then your scenario is unrealistic.

[chocky]

The guy in the pub is Kean, he doesn't listen to the fans or anyone. There is now so much disharmony in thr team all he best players want to leave and no ome of any quality wants to come. Is that it or have I missed the point entirely seeing as this is a football forum.

[Stuart]

Still blaming the fans, Realist?

What a stupid, one-eyed, pointless, let's-put-ourselves-in-Venkys/Kean's-shoes post. Venkys and Kean aren't the innocents in all this. You make it sound like there have been protests since day one, when they are the reason your guy has become so 'obnoxious'. as you put it.

You also fail to note that this guy is paying, and continues to pay, for the drinks while you vandalise the pub and you've let him believe you are robbing the till to give to your mates. All the while ignoring him, making him angrier and angrier.

We no longer really want transfer funds from them we want them to get the (Please don't use that word again) out of OUR (local) club and never come back.

[King Kenny's Magic]

Ok,

For 12 months the guy who regularly sits next to you in your local is a little bit obnoxious to you, he argues with your decisions when you order a drink or even a packet of nuts. For gods sake he even has the tenacity to argue when, after you have paid to play a record on the jukebox it is not the record he would have chosen, what a prick you are for playing that tune !!!

But, after the 12 months of hell he has given you he asks that you give him a few quid for a drink, enough money for a packet of the finest snacks in the house and enough money to get some decent tunes on the music machine.

What would you say if this guy was sat next to you?

I know what I would reply.......

Would you give him the cash? I know I wouldn't.

It's a scenario before you get giddy, but something to think about don't you think?

Rubbish analogy. (Please don't use that word again) off coco and take the Venky's and Anderson with you!

[ebenrocks]

I'd force the landlord to sell up, quit drinking at the pub and go and shoot myself in the face.

[saosin]

Ok,

For 12 months the guy who regularly sits next to you in your local is a little bit obnoxious to you, he argues with your decisions when you order a drink or even a packet of nuts. For gods sake he even has the tenacity to argue when, after you have paid to play a record on the jukebox it is not the record he would have chosen, what a prick you are for playing that tune !!!

But, after the 12 months of hell he has given you he asks that you give him a few quid for a drink, enough money for a packet of the finest snacks in the house and enough money to get some decent tunes on the music machine.

What would you say if this guy was sat next to you?

I know what I would reply.......

Would you give him the cash? I know I wouldn't.

It's a scenario before you get giddy, but something to think about don't you think?

To make this horrible analogy a bit better:

For 12 months the guy who regularly sits next to you in your local is a little bit obnoxious to you, he argues with your decisions when you steal drinks, or even a packet of nuts. For gods sake he even has the tenacity to argue when, after you have stolen money from the pub, you proceed to trash the jukebox, replace it with a blackboard, and proceed to run your fingernails down it. what a prick you are for playing that "tune" !!!

After the 12 months of hell you have given him, he asks you to leave him alone.

What would you say if this guy was sat next to you?

I know what I would reply.......After a fake smile, I would lick my lips and spit him in the face.

[sam_rovers]

Rubbish analogy. (Please don't use that word again) off coco and take the Venky's and Anderson with you!

+1

[Amo]

[T4E]

If I knew that not buying him the beer would mean I would likely be banned for the pub in 5 months time and never allowed to return, banished to drink in the dive down the road, then I would probably buy him the beer and enjoy the long term benefits.

Or, I wouldn't have promised to buy him a lifetime supply of beer 12 months ago.

[Torgeir]

You owe me a drink for wasting my time.

[Penster]

We have been going into our cosy community pub local for years now and whilst some Saturdays sessions aren't as much fun as others, its always been a great place to meet up with mates and have a laugh. It's a proper Pub full of local characters who have an affinity with the town -not like the trendy ' Moon Over Old Red Nose' Llyods bar down the road, filled up as it with out of towners every other Saturday with their annoying cockney accents..

Its had its past glories-and indeed it was once even Pub of The Year but , alas!, that was some time ago . Still-not to worry it stills a properly run local with a good (if somewhat boring ) landlord who does his best to keep a good tavern despite limited funds from the brewery owners...

At least this was the situation until 12 months ago. Then the brewery sold it on to a foreign company specializing in fast food-the landlord was sacked and the guy who used to wash the glasses became the new landlord! The staff that were kept on were all given new roles-the chef became the cleaner, the bar man went on the door-it was all very confusing and after a while us locals had had enough. A protest was organized after yet another bad case of food poising by the out of position chef. One Sat the new landlord got so much abuse that his friend and manager of ' The Moon Over Old Red Nose,' told us locals to stop being so beastly to him!

In the end a lot of us locals got fed up of having our complaints ignored-the new owners just didn't understand the most important people in a pub were the locals.Many stopped going altogether because of the awful service and arrogant landlord. It was just not the same anymore-the atmosphere, like the beer, had gone sourer.

We locals are now worried that some of the fixture and fittings, which made it such a superior pub to the ' High Six ' Fun Bar down the road, are to be sold off so the owners can try and recoup their losses; indeed we will probably be playing them in the same darts league next season. We are now left staring glumly at our poorly cooked bar snacks, sipping our sour beer and wondering how this could have happened to our once great local.

Ring any bells?-Last orders please!

[jannerman]

I'd tell him to (Please don't use that word again) right off!

[Stuart]

I'd tell him to (Please don't use that word again) right off!

Translation (in the context of the original post):

"Venkys and Kean should tell the fans to (Please don't use that word again) right off!"

Well done, you've fallen right into the trap. Unless of course you agree...

[jannerman]

Translation (in the context of the original post):

"Venkys and Kean should tell the fans to (Please don't use that word again) right off!"

Well done, you've fallen right into the trap. Unless of course you agree...

Sorry no, try reading the original post again.

I answered the question in the context of the guy at the bar being Venkys

And therefore would not support (buy season ticket, tickets on the day, food/drink at the ground, merchandise, etc) to put money in their coffers

Don't think it was a trap, more so a hypothetical question

[jannerman]

Oh wait, is the obnoxious guy supposed to the the fans?

Unfortunately if that was the OPs original intention then I would probably say exactly the same thing!

Not really a very appropriate analogy if so, if the reaction of the fans is going to prevent the owners from investing money in the club (to try to prevent relegation) then ultimately they'll be the ones that will lose millions won't they?

[Stuart]

Oh wait, is the obnoxious guy supposed to the the fans?

Unfortunately if that was the OPs original intention then I would probably say exactly the same thing!

Not really a very appropriate analogy if so, if the reaction of the fans is going to prevent the owners from investing money in the club (to try to prevent relegation) then ultimately they'll be the ones that will lose millions won't they?

That's exactly how I read it. Certainly the protesters are the obnoxious guy - in Realist's eyes.

But you are right, it's not an appropriate analogy. It's a very simplistic, dumb analogy which ignores every single point of provocation. Not least that the "you" character is completely innocent and it all down to the grumbling fans. It also paints every fan with the same brush.

[iacok]

We have been going into our cosy community pub local for years now and whilst some Saturdays sessions aren't as much fun as others, its always been a great place to meet up with mates and have a laugh. It's a proper Pub full of local characters who have an affinity with the town -not like the trendy ' Moon Over Old Red Nose' Llyods bar down the road, filled up as it with out of towners every other Saturday with their annoying cockney accents..

Its had its past glories-and indeed it was once even Pub of The Year but , alas!, that was some time ago . Still-not to worry it stills a properly run local with a good (if somewhat boring ) landlord who does his best to keep a good tavern despite limited funds from the brewery owners...

At least this was the situation until 12 months ago. Then the brewery sold it on to a foreign company specializing in fast food-the landlord was sacked and the guy who used to wash the glasses became the new landlord! The staff that were kept on were all given new roles-the chef became the cleaner, the bar man went on the door-it was all very confusing and after a while us locals had had enough. A protest was organized after yet another bad case of food poising by the out of position chef. One Sat the new landlord got so much abuse that his friend and manager of ' The Moon Over Old Red Nose,' told us locals to stop being so beastly to him!

In the end a lot of us locals got fed up of having our complaints ignored-the new owners just didn't understand the most important people in a pub were the locals.Many stopped going altogether because of the awful service and arrogant landlord. It was just not the same anymore-the atmosphere, like the beer, had gone sourer.

We locals are now worried that some of the fixture and fittings, which made it such a superior pub to the ' High Six ' Fun Bar down the road, are to be sold off so the owners can try and recoup their losses; indeed we will probably be playing them in the same darts league next season. We are now left staring glumly at our poorly cooked bar snacks, sipping our sour beer and wondering how this could have happened to our once great local.

Ring any bells?-Last orders please!

[PAFELL]

Ok,

For 12 months the guy who regularly sits next to you in your local is a little bit obnoxious to you, he argues with your decisions when you order a drink or even a packet of nuts. For gods sake he even has the tenacity to argue when, after you have paid to play a record on the jukebox it is not the record he would have chosen, what a prick you are for playing that tune !!!

But, after the 12 months of hell he has given you he asks that you give him a few quid for a drink, enough money for a packet of the finest snacks in the house and enough money to get some decent tunes on the music machine.

What would you say if this guy was sat next to you?

I know what I would reply.......

Would you give him the cash? I know I wouldn't.

It's a scenario before you get giddy, but something to think about don't you think?

They wouldn't last a year in my local.Reasons would be found to have him barred.

[iacok]

Perfect summing-up!

[Stuart]

They wouldn't last a year in my local.Reasons would be found to have him barred.

Another one reeled in. A big one too. Well done Realist.