[Archived] The man at the bar scenario

[jannerman]

That's exactly how I read it. Certainly the protesters are the obnoxious guy - in Realist's eyes.

But you are right, it's not an appropriate analogy. It's a very simplistic, dumb analogy which ignores every single point of provocation. Not least that the "you" character is completely innocent and it all down to the grumbling fans. It also paints every fan with the same brush.

It's getting late in the day and I was being slow! (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!)

It's not appropriate because no-one chooses to sit in the same bar, in the same place (I assume) next to the same guy - not unless you want to get to know them better!

Supporting a football club, at least in the UK, is often something that kids grow up with - and if they're true and stick with the same club then it's a huge, lifelong, investment.

Then along a bunch of clueless [in footballing terms anyway] rich kids come with a few quid [of Daddys money arguably] and cock about with something that has worked the way it had for many years - even tho the Rovers might have a smaller fanbase than some other clubs they're still no less passionate about their club - why shouldn't they complain

We don't like complainers in the UK, it's natural there'll be a few objecting to it, but what would everyone else be saying if nothing was being done/said?

I don't think _anyone_ can deny that we should be doing better - and that the owners seem to not be interested - it's just there's differing opinions of what could/should be done about it.

I think if some other teams were in a similar situation right now there'd be a hell of a lot worse in the way of protesting happening...

[booth]

Ok,

For 12 months the guy who regularly sits next to you in your local is a little bit obnoxious to you, he argues with your decisions when you order a drink or even a packet of nuts. For gods sake he even has the tenacity to argue when, after you have paid to play a record on the jukebox it is not the record he would have chosen, what a prick you are for playing that tune !!!

But, after the 12 months of hell he has given you he asks that you give him a few quid for a drink, enough money for a packet of the finest snacks in the house and enough money to get some decent tunes on the music machine.

What would you say if this guy was sat next to you?

I know what I would reply.......

Would you give him the cash? I know I wouldn't.

It's a scenario before you get giddy, but something to think about don't you think?

What's the history of the two? He may be being obnoxious for a reason. And that few quid he wants is perhaps something owed to him, for all the times he's had things that he loves stolen from him, false promises and paying his own money in and getting nothing back in return.

[Herbie6590]

We have been going into our cosy community pub local for years now and whilst some Saturdays sessions aren't as much fun as others, its always been a great place to meet up with mates and have a laugh. It's a proper Pub full of local characters who have an affinity with the town -not like the trendy ' Moon Over Old Red Nose' Llyods bar down the road, filled up as it with out of towners every other Saturday with their annoying cockney accents..

Its had its past glories-and indeed it was once even Pub of The Year but , alas!, that was some time ago . Still-not to worry it stills a properly run local with a good (if somewhat boring ) landlord who does his best to keep a good tavern despite limited funds from the brewery owners...

At least this was the situation until 12 months ago. Then the brewery sold it on to a foreign company specializing in fast food-the landlord was sacked and the guy who used to wash the glasses became the new landlord! The staff that were kept on were all given new roles-the chef became the cleaner, the bar man went on the door-it was all very confusing and after a while us locals had had enough. A protest was organized after yet another bad case of food poising by the out of position chef. One Sat the new landlord got so much abuse that his friend and manager of ' The Moon Over Old Red Nose,' told us locals to stop being so beastly to him!

In the end a lot of us locals got fed up of having our complaints ignored-the new owners just didn't understand the most important people in a pub were the locals.Many stopped going altogether because of the awful service and arrogant landlord. It was just not the same anymore-the atmosphere, like the beer, had gone sourer.

We locals are now worried that some of the fixture and fittings, which made it such a superior pub to the ' High Six ' Fun Bar down the road, are to be sold off so the owners can try and recoup their losses; indeed we will probably be playing them in the same darts league next season. We are now left staring glumly at our poorly cooked bar snacks, sipping our sour beer and wondering how this could have happened to our once great local.

Ring any bells?-Last orders please!

....and the Landlords Association castigates you for having the temerity to complain, and the media say it really isn't that big a deal if your pub ends up closing as there are plenty of others to drink in.....

[purplegrover]

We have been going into our cosy community pub local for years now and whilst some Saturdays sessions aren't as much fun as others, its always been a great place to meet up with mates and have a laugh. It's a proper Pub full of local characters who have an affinity with the town -not like the trendy ' Moon Over Old Red Nose' Llyods bar down the road, filled up as it with out of towners every other Saturday with their annoying cockney accents..

Its had its past glories-and indeed it was once even Pub of The Year but , alas!, that was some time ago . Still-not to worry it stills a properly run local with a good (if somewhat boring ) landlord who does his best to keep a good tavern despite limited funds from the brewery owners...

At least this was the situation until 12 months ago. Then the brewery sold it on to a foreign company specializing in fast food-the landlord was sacked and the guy who used to wash the glasses became the new landlord! The staff that were kept on were all given new roles-the chef became the cleaner, the bar man went on the door-it was all very confusing and after a while us locals had had enough. A protest was organized after yet another bad case of food poising by the out of position chef. One Sat the new landlord got so much abuse that his friend and manager of ' The Moon Over Old Red Nose,' told us locals to stop being so beastly to him!

In the end a lot of us locals got fed up of having our complaints ignored-the new owners just didn't understand the most important people in a pub were the locals.Many stopped going altogether because of the awful service and arrogant landlord. It was just not the same anymore-the atmosphere, like the beer, had gone sourer.

We locals are now worried that some of the fixture and fittings, which made it such a superior pub to the ' High Six ' Fun Bar down the road, are to be sold off so the owners can try and recoup their losses; indeed we will probably be playing them in the same darts league next season. We are now left staring glumly at our poorly cooked bar snacks, sipping our sour beer and wondering how this could have happened to our once great local.

Ring any bells?-Last orders please!

This is a much better analogy. Thanks Penster.

It's a tough ask to switch locals when you have been going to the same one for 30 years, isn't it? Perhaps you might stick around, hoping beyond hope that the new owners might get a better landlord in, or at least a cook that can drum up a palatable meal?

Here's hoping !

[BPF]

Ok,

For 12 months the guy who regularly sits next to you in your local is a little bit obnoxious to you, he argues with your decisions when you order a drink or even a packet of nuts. For gods sake he even has the tenacity to argue when, after you have paid to play a record on the jukebox it is not the record he would have chosen, what a prick you are for playing that tune !!!

But, after the 12 months of hell he has given you he asks that you give him a few quid for a drink, enough money for a packet of the finest snacks in the house and enough money to get some decent tunes on the music machine.

What would you say if this guy was sat next to you?

I know what I would reply.......

Would you give him the cash? I know I wouldn't.

It's a scenario before you get giddy, but something to think about don't you think?

There is a guy in your local that has started dating your Mother.

In twelve months he has turned her from a healthy and capable woman into a beaten old anorexic mule through systematic negligence and abuse.

He comes in one day and you shout at him due to the nerve he is showing.

The next day the local paper has ran a story about how you are a disgrace.

A few days later you see your Mother's bank statement on the side, the woman was always a saver but suddenly she is thousands in debt. What's this...just under the statement...there is another one...his...he has tens of thousands!

You confront him and ask for money to help your Mother pay the bills. He just smiles and tells you that if she needs cash she can always sell her TV...

Analogies are fun...

[T4E]

Yours is far better.

[LeChuck]

but something to think about don't you think?

No, it's stupid and flawed in so many ways.

The biggest flaw being that the "man at the bar" is somehow deemed as having no relationship to us except being in the same bar.

To get anywhere near toward being an apt analogy, you would have to state that the man has been a regular there all his life whilst we only turned up 12 months ago. Plus, more importantly, it's his money that is paying for our beer, nuts and music on the jukebox.

If someone had been paying for my pints, nuts and music out of his hard earned money then I'd probably listen to what he had to say. If he fell on hard times and needed a few quid then I'd help him out if I could afford it.

Rubbish.

[the original david brent]

Well self proclaimed Realist, your analogy and views are very out of touch and more akin to the views spouted by my User Name!

[DE.]

Worst. Analogy. Ever.

(original post not BPF's post )

[Stuart]

Excellent analogy, BPF.

[Torgeir]

Nice one BPF

[PAFELL]

There is a guy in your local that has started dating your Mother.

In twelve months he has turned her from a healthy and capable woman into a beaten old anorexic mule through systematic negligence and abuse.

He comes in one day and you shout at him due to the nerve he is showing.

The next day the local paper has ran a story about how you are a disgrace.

A few days later you see your Mother's bank statement on the side, the woman was always a saver but suddenly she is thousands in debt. What's this...just under the statement...there is another one...his...he has tens of thousands!

You confront him and ask for money to help your Mother pay the bills. He just smiles and tells you that if she needs cash she can always sell her TV...

Analogies are fun...

This one is better. The bar one was just daft imo.

[PAFELL]

Another one reeled in. A big one too. Well done Realist.

Not quite. Venkys would not of got passed the due diligence stage. Let alone be there for a year. A reason would have been found to stop them becoming regulars.

[BPF]

I'm feeling the love in here.

Thank you.