[Archived] WEC Group statememt

[ctwilky]

http://rovers4life.tumblr.com/post/16299554087/waynes-world-a-plea-from-our-sponsor

WOW!!!

What a read and massive respect to Wayne but I doubt this will have an effect

[Stuart]

The only new info on there really is the further missed deadline of 16th January. I wonder if there are grounds for WEC to remove their sponsorship under these circumstances.

Also, I still don't agree with this bit... "Mr Kean is currently receiving a level of abuse at games that has now gone past a line of decency."

Maybe he get's abuse on twitter, the forums and LT comments but at games it really is restricted to "Kean Out".

That said, to have these kinds of comments, signed off as WEC director give it a lot of gravitas. However, there has to be an "or else" at some point.

[krypton1980]

Has anyone else seen this (also posted by Mr Wild)?

Blackburn Rovers Charitable Fund

I have to agree with Waynes view point here the figures and amounts expected from people may just be to high, but also it could well be worth looking into in more depth.

[ctwilky]

What's keans twitter?

[roverwhelmed]

What's keans twitter?

He isn't on Twitter as far as I am aware.

I assume the poster was referring to other people tweeting about Kean.

[incy wincy little spider]

Has anyone else seen this (also posted by Mr Wild)?

Blackburn Rovers Charitable Fund

I have to agree with Waynes view point here the figures and amounts expected from people may just be to high, but also it could well be worth looking into in more depth.

I started a topic about the fans buying the club just before the takeover. It lasted for a couple of pages where everyone was totally against the idea. Unfortunately I can't find the topic anymore, but I'm wondering if it would get the same negative responses now!

[thenodrog]

http://rovers4life.tumblr.com/post/16299554087/waynes-world-a-plea-from-our-sponsor

WOW!!!

What a read and massive respect to Wayne but I doubt this will have an effect

Very good account and with a cutting conclusion which could be the basis of an online parliamentary petition. Our predicament could happen to any club in this country.

Just as the theory that if there were 20 Man Utd's under SAF three would still get relegated so too three would suffer relegation if there were 20 Sheik Mansours! The danger here being what would happen if there were 20 Mrs Desai's.

[MarkBRFC]

Has anyone else seen this (also posted by Mr Wild)?

Blackburn Rovers Charitable Fund

I have to agree with Waynes view point here the figures and amounts expected from people may just be to high, but also it could well be worth looking into in more depth.

That is some document.

It would never, ever happern though.

[Hasta]

Imagine if Emirates released a statement like that aimed at Arsenal and their owners.

[bonerdude]

i for one think this could work, i know everyone doesnt have £140 a month disposable income every month but if it could get the exposure it deserves and maybe it could work and attract richer investors. And the idea of the club being owned by the community with a member of the board being from the council and voted in is genius, lets hope this takes of cause it could be the only way to save our club.

[thenodrog]

That is some document.

It would never, ever happern though.

Correct mark. Not a cat in hell's chance unfortunately.

My opinion in the early 90's (whilst the Premier League novelty was still fresh) and based on simple arithmatic was that if BRFC wanted to permanently compete in the Prem on a permanent basis it would either have to fill a stadium with over 40000 every match OR it would require every fan to pay double for our ST's. Jack Walker obviously thought the same because he allegedly pledged an annual sum of money each year which would equalise our gate receipts to a club with a crowd of 35000. Ten years on and albeit by then with media money dwarfing ST revenue at every club we saw BRFC actually forced to reduce ST prices by 50% to combat falling numbers.

Not only that but the number of 'fans' willing to walk to the ground behind a simple banner should almost provide a straw poll of who should provide a clue as to the numbers who feel enough to respond to this initiative. Discount the kids, unemployed and oap's from that number and the task becomes hopeless.

This unfortunately comes under the heading 'flogging a dead horse'. As a town we don't really deserve a Premier League club do we?

I've considered all this situation throughout the Walker years in the knowledge that one day it would end and the club would either have to 'wash it's face' financially or revert to yo yoing in the lower divisions. I've come up with nothing at all feasible other than the concept of Lancashire United. It's a fact that if we could delete the past 130 years and invent football now that BRFC would NEVER have existed (nor would Burnley, PNE or Blackpool)! The conditions under which this clubs were formed no longer exist now. What much more likely have come to being would be a Lancashire FC.

Like alcoholics I've a feeling that only when we hit rock bottom will we turn our gaze inward uopn ourselves and be forced to accept the reallities of our situation. We need to take off the blinkers and lift our gaze into the distance.

If anybody else can think of anything positive to add rather than mocking criticism and out of hand dismissal of the concept then please do.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

As a town we don't really deserve a Premier League club do we?

I think that, per head of population, Rovers are one of the best supported clubs in terms of it's catchment area. Factor in that Blackburn is not a wealthy place and has a large percentage of it's community that hasnt traditionally engaged with football and I reckon that confirms your assertion as an inaccurate one.

As a long term Rovers supporter and a resident of Blackburn I'm surprised that you are so wrong about this. Surely you havnt bought into the red top rubbish that has been peddled for the last 20 years? Or are you a TalkSh1te listener?

[Mattyblue]

I think that, per head of population, Rovers are one of the best supported clubs in terms of it's catchment area. Factor in that Blackburn is not a wealthy place and has a large percentage of it's community that hasnt traditionally engaged with football and I reckon that confirms your assertion as an inaccurate one.

As a long term Rovers supporter and a resident of Blackburn I'm surprised that you are so wrong about this. Surely you havnt bought into the red top rubbish that has been peddled for the last 20 years? Or are you a TalkSh1te listener?

Exactly. The 20 clubs in the PL deseve to be there, I deserve PL football as much as a fan of any other club.

A town of 100000 people getting average crowds of 25000? Fantastic support.

Compare it to a city the size of Leeds who struggle to get more than 22k on a weekly basis or the two clubs of Britain's second largest city who struggle to hit 50k between them.

[yoda]

thenodrog, on 25 January 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

As a town we don't really deserve a Premier League club do we?

I think the club has earned the right to be there, not just now but since it was formed,

That is what makes the Rovers special and it should be preserved, it bears the name Blackburn but the support comes from wide and far.

[Majiball]

Exactly. The 20 clubs in the PL deseve to be there, I deserve PL football as much as a fan of any other club.

A town of 100000 people getting average crowds of 25000? Fantastic support.

Compare it to a city the size of Leeds who struggle to get more than 22k on a weekly basis or the two clubs of Britain's second largest city who struggle to hit 50k between them.

Buts Leeds are in the chumpionship.

Which city is britains second largest?

[Kelbo]

Buts Leeds are in the chumpionship.

Which city is britains second largest?

Birmingham!

[thenodrog]

I think that, per head of population, Rovers are one of the best supported clubs in terms of it's catchment area. COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT Factor in that Blackburn is not a wealthy place and has a large percentage of it's community that hasnt traditionally engaged with football COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT and I reckon that confirms your assertion as an inaccurate one.

As a long term Rovers supporter and a resident of Blackburn I'm surprised that you are so wrong about this. Surely you havnt bought into the red top rubbish that has been peddled for the last 20 years? Or are you a TalkSh1te listener?

COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT = in the real world opinions of bankers and financiers.

how you can believe such guff enough to put it in print amazes me.

Exactly. The 20 clubs in the PL deseve to be there, I deserve PL football as much as a fan of any other club.

A town of 100000 people getting average crowds of 25000? Fantastic support. IRRELEVENT.

Compare it to a city the size of Leeds who struggle to get more than 22k on a weekly basis or the two clubs of Britain's second largest city who struggle to hit 50k between them. IRRELEVENT.

BTW LUFC will get 35-45000 when they are in the top flight. Are you daft enough to believe that we will keep our crowds after spells in Div 2 and 1? If so you can only be under 35 years old.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Buts Leeds are in the chumpionship.

Which city is britains second largest?

Brum is the second city unless something changed since I left England. I think Leeds has a population of around half a million. For a one club city their support lags behind that of Rovers, Chumpionship or not.

The point being that Rovers have fantastic support given the club's circumstances and that as a body of fans we deserve Premiership football as much as, if not more than anybody else.

[thenodrog]

thenodrog, on 25 January 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

As a town we don't really deserve a Premier League club do we?

I think the club has earned the right to be there, not just now but since it was formed, IRRELEVENT

That is what makes the Rovers special and it should be preserved, it bears the name Blackburn but the support comes from wide and far.

We deserve to lead the way in textiles but we don't. This town was massively wealthy in the late 19th century. Things change Yoda. remember that 'the only constant in life is change'.

Be honest we would never have seen the Premier League much less win it without Jack Walker. BRFC was a relic when he took over.

[Mattyblue]

COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT = in the real world opinions of bankers and financiers.

how you can believe such guff enough to put it in print amazes me.

BTW LUFC will get 35-45000 when they are in the top flight. Are you daft enough to believe that we will keep our crowds after spells in Div 2 and 1? If so you can only be under 35 years old.

LUFC getting 35000 crowds in the PL is an achievement is it?

Leeds have a far bigger fanbase than BRFC, that's a given considering they have support of a huge city and all over Yarkshire, but for a small town like Blackburn to consistently get crowds of 20k plus is a far bigger achievement.

Therefore WE are more deserving than a Leeds, no?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT = in the real world opinions of bankers and financiers.

how you can believe such guff enough to put it in print amazes me.

Are you going to back up your 'completely irrelvants' or are you just going to type in caps like the shouty, angry Jeremy Clarksonesque berk that I suspect you are?

[yoda]

yoda, on 25 January 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:thenodrog, on 25 January 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

As a town we don't really deserve a Premier League club do we?

I think the club has earned the right to be there, not just now but since it was formed, IRRELEVENT

That is what makes the Rovers special and it should be preserved, it bears the name Blackburn but the support comes from wide and far.

We deserve to lead the way in textiles but we don't. This town was massively wealthy in the late 19th century. Things change Yoda. remember that 'the only constant in life is change'.

Be honest we would never have seen the Premier League much less win it without Jack Walker. BRFC was a relic when he took over.

Sorry Theno but it is relevent, we are in the PL by merit. Jack put money in but name other clubs that have not spent money to obtain success. I totally agree with change (who moved my cheese) the key is how to manage the change to benefit your cause, something the club has done very well in the past. The Venkys are a change which looks like not being a change for the good, but they won't be here for long so change will happen again. This being the best town club in the world I am sure it will re invent its self and be succesful again.

Re the textiles, a perfect example of not adapting to change, same thing happened to the motor bike industry

[Guest TheArtistFormallyKnownAsJB]

But that is the point. We took 30k fans to Cardiff in 2001/2, we had 27k+ averages after title winning.... All that will be forgotten, the nearly men will move on, the family element will all but die and we will end up with a half full stadium week in week out if we plunge out the league (and don't instantly come back)

Traditionally, we do have a big following for relative size. But that's bred through success. You would be mad to think that we would have 18000 ST in the championship. Best example I can give is Old Trafford held 40,000 at the start of the nineties (this could be partly attributed to Taylors report and the reduction of terracing). It now holds 90,000.

The real issues involve the wages. It's been there for all to see for years. We take 50m from sky to give 45m to the players. At our ST prices and ticket prices (earning 7m a year) we would need an average of around 130k supporters every week to pay the wages without Sky. Or ask 18000 people to pay £1000+ for a ST..

From a town of 100,000 with mean/average earnings of 16k a year. It's ###### sickening.

[Mattyblue]

You've worded it all wrong gord.

What you should have said is: Are town clubs with limited fanbases going to find it difficult to compete? Probably, fact of life that we will bring in less cash.

Is the town itself underserving? No, of course not as by population, probably more folk of this town come out to watch their football club than any other.

[thenodrog]

LUFC getting 35000 crowds in the PL is an achievement is it?

Leeds have a far bigger fanbase than BRFC, that's a given considering they have support of a huge city and all over Yarkshire, but for a small town like Blackburn to consistently get crowds of 20k plus is a far bigger achievement.

Therefore WE are more deserving than a Leeds, no?

Tell it to Barclays.

Are you going to back up your 'completely irrelvants' or are you just going to type in caps like the shouty, angry Jeremy Clarksonesque berk that I suspect you are?

berk eh? http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/berk?q=berk

Over to you Hemel rover.....

I suspect you'll be banned for that dgs.... I was for calling Jim a 'sad old git'.

See you around.