[Archived] Ch 4 Program Despatches and Rovers

[PAFELL]

How on earth can you know this...?

Would it not have come to light by now. Acted upon. They may be in breach morally and guilty of stupidity etc, but not crimes.

I want them out as they are not good for the club. But if they were in breach of breaking the law. It would have been used by now to try to get rid of them. Somebody would have found a way of using any illegally activity by venkys against them by now. They are an embarrassment to football ownership, headache everybody could do without. We all want shut of them. But what laws have they broken?

[Mercer]

Hate to say it, but legally they have not done anything wrong. It could be argued, it is their club / business and can run it as they want to do so. None communication with supporters, although strange, is not a crime. Not spending money in the transfer window etc, also not a crime.

Kean involvement before takeover - nobody has produced any evidence to support that allegation.

Well, for a start, IMO, they have reneged on some of the 'Terms of Sale' (if my understanding of the ancillaries is correct) and, possibly, could be in breach of contract.

Barclays appear to be less than happy for a starter !!!

[Plastic Head]

Hate to say it, but legally they have not done anything wrong. It could be argued, it is their club / business and can run it as they want to do so. None communication with supporters, although strange, is not a crime. Not spending money in the transfer window etc, also not a crime.

Kean involvement before takeover - nobody has produced any evidence to support that allegation.

How do you know they haven't done anything illegal? Do you expect them to come out and admit it unprompted. To be honest I wouldn't even expect the Indians to know British Law.

There are certainly suspicions and prima facie evidence to suggest that ELP/FA rules have been broken and that the way the company is run is to say the least disreputable.

So who knows if laws have been broken?

[Amo]

How do you know they haven't done anything illegal?

How do you know God doesn't exist?

As always, the burden of proof is with the positive assertion (i.e. 'They have made illegal actions.')

Venky's or no, that still stands. Wouldn't be at all surprised if there is corruption behind the scenes but it still needs proving before anyone can say for certain.

[adopted scouser]

I was being self-depreciating!

You mean self deprecating, you sound like a Fiat Punto !

[PAFELL]

How do you know God doesn't exist?

As always, the burden of proof is with the positive assertion (i.e. 'They have made illegal actions.')

Venky's or no, that still stands. Wouldn't be at all surprised if there is corruption behind the scenes but it still needs proving before anyone can say for certain.

Correct.

Feel sure certain people on here would have found a way of using any breaches in law, to use against venkys, to get rid of them, by now.

So far, not one shred of evidence has been produced. Therefore cannot be used.

A lot of evidence of acting stupidly. But that is not breaking the law.

Will dispatches bother investigating stupidity.

[Stuart]

You mean self deprecating, you sound like a Fiat Punto !

Possibly. But I might also have meant what I said.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/depreciating

[PAFELL]

Well, for a start, IMO, they have reneged on some of the 'Terms of Sale' (if my understanding of the ancillaries is correct) and, possibly, could be in breach of contract.

Barclays appear to be less than happy for a starter !!!

If breaking these promises made when they took over, was breaking the law. Why have the Walker Trust not brought legal action yet.

Maybe these promises are not legally binding. Sadl, as I wish they were.

[K-Hod]

Wasn't there a dispatches programme on where Bryan Robson was basically exposed as a crook, but absolutely nothing came of it?

[krypton1980]

Wasn't there a dispatches programme on where Bryan Robson was basically exposed as a crook, but absolutely nothing came of it?

Yep : watch the programme here My link

Can be watched via Firefox and this addon : anonymox

[ABBEY]

Hate to say it, but legally they have not done anything wrong. It could be argued, it is their club / business and can run it as they want to do so. None communication with supporters, although strange, is not a crime. Not spending money in the transfer window etc, also not a crime.

Kean involvement before takeover - nobody has produced any evidence to support that allegation.

so you know this as FACT? or assumption?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT EVERYTHING IS ABOVE BOARD AND LEGAL?

HOW DO YOU KNOW HAND ON HEART THERES BEEN NO WRONG DOINGS?

[Mercer]

If breaking these promises made when they took over, was breaking the law. Why have the Walker Trust not brought legal action yet.

Maybe these promises are not legally binding. Sadl, as I wish they were.

You have to be minded to do it !!!

[PAFELL]

so you know this as FACT? or assumption?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT EVERYTHING IS ABOVE BOARD AND LEGAL?

HOW DO YOU KNOW HAND ON HEART THERES BEEN NO WRONG DOINGS?

Because somebody would have found, exposed and used it by now. Especially the time protests have been going. Also those who have written to venkys. MP, councillors, business men, sponsors etc. Do you not think if there was a way to get rid of venkys using law, an attempt would have been made.

The board at rovers know more than we do, yet they are also powerless to do anything.

All we have from those who claim to be in the know, is conspiracy theories. But nothing about venkys breaking the law.

[ABBEY]

DOESNT MEAN ITS FACT THO!!

[Plastic Head]

How do you know they haven't done anything illegal? Do you expect them to come out and admit it unprompted. To be honest I wouldn't even expect the Indians to know British Law.

There are certainly suspicions and prima facie evidence to suggest that ELP/FA rules have been broken and that the way the company is run is to say the least disreputable.

So who knows if laws have been broken?

Forgot to mention that Kean and Venkys seem to make an awful lot of statements that are later shown to be untrue.

[JAL]

Because somebody would have found, exposed and used it by now. Especially the time protests have been going. Also those who have written to venkys. MP, councillors, business men, sponsors etc. Do you not think if there was a way to get rid of venkys using law, an attempt would have been made.

The board at rovers know more than we do, yet they are also powerless to do anything.

All we have from those who claim to be in the know, is conspiracy theories. But nothing about venkys breaking the law.

From that Guns and roses website the focus was about Kean laundering some Glasgow dirt money by using this in the initial purchase of the club and then converting back through the club or something along those lines.

Right now whats out there to say that Venkys have'nt been used for someone elses purpose.

That G and R website also stated that Venkys had been given their money back some £20m plus and now they had no interest in the club whatsoever. This would seem pretty accurate given whats happened so far.

[Amo]

That G and R website also stated that Venkys had been given their money back some £20m plus and now they had no interest in the club whatsoever. This would seem pretty accurate given whats happened so far.

Anyone could think up a crackpot theory to fill in the gaps.

More likely and plausible that Venky's took the implicit advice of their 'advisers' and have discovered that running a football club isn't what they bargained for, alienated themselves from the fans, and now don't know whether to stick or twist.

[yoda]

Because somebody would have found, exposed and used it by now. Especially the time protests have been going. Also those who have written to venkys. MP, councillors, business men, sponsors etc. Do you not think if there was a way to get rid of venkys using law, an attempt would have been made.

The board at rovers know more than we do, yet they are also powerless to do anything.

All we have from those who claim to be in the know, is conspiracy theories. But nothing about venkys breaking the law.

I wonder if the venkies will comment on this

Posted 6 minutes ago

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FOOTBALL

The Football Association is being urged to investigate the running of Blackburn Rovers after accusations in Parliament that the club is a "shambles". Graham Jones, the Labour MP for Hyndburn, is questioning whether its Indian owners Venky's are "fit and proper persons" to run the club.

[super_arran]

Anyone could think up a crackpot theory to fill in the gaps.

More likely and plausible that Venky's took the implicit advice of their 'advisers' and have discovered that running a football club isn't what they bargained for, alienated themselves from the fans, and now don't know whether to stick or twist.

I knew we'd agree some time

[JAL]

Anyone could think up a crackpot theory to fill in the gaps.

More likely and plausible that Venky's took the implicit advice of their 'advisers' and have discovered that running a football club isn't what they bargained for, alienated themselves from the fans, and now don't know whether to stick or twist.

Stick or twist from the owners is just a hopeful fans point of view for me all to much of a crackpot theory. This seems very calculated and now they have the club and its supporters right were they want them, either pay them out with multi millions of pounds or strip the club of its player assets for millions of pounds and let the club go to the wall.

We wait for it to be proven wrong, but then again this is the wild west, English football, and in the middle of it all we have what is a very influential English character who's at the heart of this wild west industry.

[ABBEY]

Because somebody would have found, exposed and used it by now. Especially the time protests have been going. Also those who have written to venkys. MP, councillors, business men, sponsors etc. Do you not think if there was a way to get rid of venkys using law, an attempt would have been made.

The board at rovers know more than we do, yet they are also powerless to do anything.

All we have from those who claim to be in the know, is conspiracy theories. But nothing about venkys breaking the law.

and also if they are honest and good people then why is the cow on trial in india?

[PAFELL]

and also if they are honest and good people then why is the cow on trial in india?

Court case in India is a different matter. It is not about rovers. Anyway only an allegation at the moment. Just cos a person is in trial, it does not mean they are guilty, ask harry.

[Veevs]

Court case in India is a different matter. It is not about rovers. Anyway only an allegation at the moment. Just cos a person is in trial, it does not mean they are guilty, ask harry.

None of us know if they have done anything illegal and visa versa.. personally with the contents of the letter from JW I would not be suprised if something more fishy had gone on with the Formica, Rochina and Bruno deals. Talk of an unknown player (probs Formica), payments and third parties and deals bypassing the board are against FA rules to start of with and potentially illegal to boot. If the letter started deeper investigations into specifics then who knows.

Given that this letter was released and the timing (takes a while for a TV program to be put together) I would not be suprised if things start to come to light

If there have been dodgy dealings lets get them out there asap, a points deduction next season would probably see the end of Rovers as we know it.

As a reminder to those who didn't follow the Luton thing a few years back.. "Luton will start next season on an unprecedented minus 30 points after a ruling by the Football League.

The Hatters had already been deducted 10 points by the Football Association after being found guilty of misconduct for paying agents via a third party.

And the company which will take over the club has now been told it must accept a further 20-point deduction in order to be allowed in the League.

The penalty came after Luton failed to satisfy the League's insolvency rules." BBC

[Brfcrule1]

Pafell you should look at their offer document and then try saying with a straight jacket they have done nothing wrong they have broken many pledges in that document about setting up the clubs own tv channel, sticking with the existing management & board structure also that recent letter signed by 3 previous administrators about bypassing the board and issuing 3rd party mandates for players which is illegal by EPL rules and I as an individual who has received correspondance from JW when he was chairman at the club on various matters can confirm the leaked letter as 100% genuine plus the rest of their broken promises Ronaldinho, Riquelme,Beckham etc.. they have broken many promises with regards to incoming players.

[PAFELL]

Pafell you should look at their offer document and then try saying with a straight jacket they have done nothing wrong they have broken many pledges in that document about setting up the clubs own tv channel, sticking with the existing management & board structure also that recent letter signed by 3 previous administrators about bypassing the board and issuing 3rd party mandates for players which is illegal by EPL rules and I as an individual who has received correspondance from JW when he was chairman at the club on various matters can confirm the leaked letter as 100% genuine plus the rest of their broken promises Ronaldinho, Riquelme,Beckham etc.. they have broken many promises with regards to incoming players.

I am aware of the document. I still have a copy somewhere. They were promises, sadly not legally binding. That is where the problem is. Breaking a promise and breaking the law are not the same things. Take marriage as an example. You make promises, but if you break them, you are not breaking the law, only the promise.