[Archived] Samba Up to His Old Tricks Again

[FourLaneBlue]

He is now surely taking the ######

http://www.google.com/3893-samba_pushes_blackburn_to_their_limits.html

Do we actually know that to be the definite truth? Lot of supposition in that article.

Regardless, our defensive weaknesses have been displayed again today. Kean needs to get Samba back in the team next week, and assure him that is the best way for him to depart to a top club in the summer.

Can you imagine our defence WITHOUT him away to Man City? The team that is yet to drop a point at home...

I see Nelsen is good enough and fit enough to come on for a team in 3rd place, and beating fellow Champions League contenders, 5-0. Venky's and Kean really are an absolute joke. Emerton paid off, Diouf paid off, Nelsen paid off, Andrews paid off. All paid off to leave and play for other teams. They might not world-beaters, but they could have played a part for us this year. Certainly more than the likes of Anderson, Ribeiro etc have been playing.

[Stuart]

Emerton paid off, Diouf paid off, Nelsen paid off, Andrews paid off. All paid off to leave and play for other teams. They might not world-beaters, but they could have played a part for us this year. Certainly more than the likes of Anderson, Ribeiro etc have been playing.

Stinks.

[bob fleming]

He is now surely taking the ######

http://www.google.com/3893-samba_pushes_blackburn_to_their_limits.html

As are you telf. Feck off. Are you on the pay roll as well?

[Mercer]

Still unresolved according to a post on Twitter.

Mark Eggles Hitchen@markhitch

Chris Samba has reportedly failed to turn up for training today. This was supposed to be his return to first team training #Rovers #BRFC

[DE.]

Still unresolved according to a post on Twitter.

Mark Eggles Hitchen@markhitch

Chris Samba has reportedly failed to turn up for training today. This was supposed to be his return to first team training #Rovers #BRFC

Assumedly he won't get paid then. City haven't paid Tevez since he went AWOL so there is a precedent for such situations.

[Inta Beaver]

Samba needs to grow up and face the fact the club are more than likely to sell him in the summer but by behaving as he is other clubs will have doubts about his attitude.

My company has been taking over recently and we have been told we will have new equipment, computers etc but we have yet to receive anything! What some I do? Stay at home or get on with my job I am paid to do?

[Dan]

Unfortunatly we need Samba a lot more than he needs us. He could make a massive difference to our fight for survival. I'd offer him a free transfer in the summer, IF we stay up. That should be enough incentive for him to work his arse off for the rest of the season.

[chris]

Unfortunatly we need Samba a lot more than he needs us. He could make a massive difference to our fight for survival. I'd offer him a free transfer in the summer, IF we stay up. That should be enough incentive for him to work his arse off for the rest of the season.

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan]

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!

If we go down, which is much more likely without him, he'll move for peanuts anyway. We'll lose a lot more money going down than staying up and letting him go on a free.

[Roost]

I take it he didnt play for the Reserves last night then?

[Stuart]

I take it he didnt play for the Reserves last night then?

No he didn't.

[Roost]

No he didn't.

What a waste - I wish he could remember back to his Hertha Berlin reserves days and think - 'Bien je resterai ici jusqu'à ce que la fin de la saison et d'aide Blackburn Rovers essaie et reste dans la Première Ligue. Je les dois cela au moins' ......or something like that.

[RoyRover]

He is now surely taking the ######

http://www.google.com/3893-samba_pushes_blackburn_to_their_limits.html

If this is true, then he has stepped far beyond what a player should be allowed to do in terms of his contract. To break this down:

• Samba signed a 5 year contract which pays him £60K+ a week last year.

• In January he hands in a transfer request stating that he can no longer give 100% because promises that the owners made on him signing the contract have not been carried through.

• No team meets the club's justified valuation of a player that has only just begun a long term deal and is one of the best defenders in the league and so the player isn't sold.

• Samba is not in the right frame of mind for the games directly after the transfer window, so rightfully doesn't play and made to train with the reserves until he is ready to commit to the team.

• He then apparently has a slight hamstring injury meaning that he can't / refuses to play in a friendly organised for him.

• He then demands a new contract where he will dictate the terms of a release clause to a club that he decides he wants to go and no doubt a figure that he feels a team will happily pay, rather than one that is realistic for a player of his ability and refuses to play for his employer until his terms are meet.

• Doesn't show in for training after being told that he's off his head if he thinks that is going to happen.

Obviously there is a lot of hearsay and presumption with this. But with what has been reported so far, I don't think it takes a genius to figure out what's going on. And even if half of this were true, Samba has taken the idea of player power to a ridiculous new level and one that can't be tolerated.

I despise Steve Kean and Venky's and what they have done to our club. However Chris Samba is so far out of line here that his behaviour can't be tolerated, no matter who is in charge. I would really love to come face to face with these players, ask them who the hell they think they are and give them an idea of the real world that the people who pay their vast wages live in.

[Stuart]

What a waste - I wish he could remember back to his Hertha Berlin reserves days and think - 'Bien je resterai ici jusqu'à ce que la fin de la saison et d'aide Blackburn Rovers essaie et reste dans la Première Ligue. Je les dois cela au moins' ......or something like that.

He was nobody then. I guess he thinks he's earned more respect.

I still support his reasons for being angry and disillusioned with Venkys and/or Kean but if his agent is advising he does a Tevez, he's going to end up friendless and probably back playing with Hertha.

If he is adamant he won't ever play for Kean again, he needs to issue a formal statement of intent, forego his wages and slip away to wherever players go to stay fit - otherwise he needs to grow a pair and make himself available for selection. If he does though, Kean can't continue to play games about his fitness or head not being right.

We need to move on either with him or without him.

• In January he hands in a transfer request stating that he can no longer give 100% because promises that the owners made on him signing the contract have not been carried through.

This is a big premise for everyone's point of view. I really need to see a credible link with a direct quote where he states he won't give 100% on the field. He has had disputes in the past and ha always continued to give 100% ON THE FIELD. For some reason, this time appears different.

[RoyRover]

He was nobody then. I guess he thinks he's earned more respect.

I still support his reasons for being angry and disillusioned with Venkys and/or Kean but if his agent is advising he does a Tevez, he's going to end up friendless and probably back playing with Hertha.

If he is adamant he won't ever play for Kean again, he needs to issue a formal statement of intent, forego his wages and slip away to wherever players go to stay fit - otherwise he needs to grow a pair and make himself available for selection. If he does though, Kean can't continue to play games about his fitness or head not being right.

We need to move on either with him or without him.

This is a big premise for everyone's point of view. I really need to see a credible link with a direct quote where he states he won't give 100% on the field. He has had disputes in the past and ha always continued to give 100% ON THE FIELD. For some reason, this time appears different.

I don't have a problem with him being angry or disillusioned with the manager or the owners. I'd be surprised if he and the other players weren't. But I can't agree with him just downing tools because of it. And I can't agree with people who say that because they are footballers they are in a different position to people who work in the real world. In my first job when I graduated for university, I couldn't stand my boss. I used to think he was a great a guy, who helped me out with work experience and offered me advice when I was showing an interest toward becoming a graphic designer. But as soon I started working for him, the situation changed, I saw a totally different side to him and within a few months I hated him. But it didn't mean that I just stopped showing up for work because of it.

The fact that footballers don't seem to be able to appreciate the ridiculously good position they are in and the relatively small problems that they face in terms of the pressures of work compared to everyone else is what drives me up the wall. In this situation and the argument I'm making about players and how quickly they become 'unhappy', so what if the owners don't buy this player or that player. Yeah it annoys the fans and players as promises are broken, but ultimately what difference does it make to Chris Samba. He is still getting paid a fortune to do a job that most people dream of. To behave like this when things don't turn out the way he was promised they would speaks volumes about the spoilt attitude of the modern footballer, who has no concept of the real world and how their actions are viewed by the general public. I suppose they don't have to as they live in a bubble, surrounded by people telling them they are the man and kissing their ass.

He should really just wise up, play for the club that pays him and try and get a move in the summer if a club pays us what he is worth.

As for a quote, I found this one on Sky Sports.

[Stuart]

Hypothetically Roy, if you could have afforded not to, would you have carried on working for the boss you hated? Or do you still work for him? I assume if you are no longer working for you, he did not prevent you from leaving? We're all human beings and all have our limits. Circumstances can dictate how we react.

As for the quote, I've already posted that myself in the past. It says: "Blackburn need players who are 100% for the club and I'm not," said the Congolese international.

100% for the club does not necessarily translate into not giving 100% on the pitch. As I've said, I've never seen him give less than 100% in a Rovers shirt before - even when he's had the pre-pay rise blues. This seems like a matter of principle to me.

[gumboots]

Hypothetically Roy, if you could have afforded not to, would you have carried on working for the boss you hated? Or do you still work for him? I assume if you are no longer working for you, he did not prevent you from leaving? We're all human beings and all have our limits. Circumstances can dictate how we react.

As for the quote, I've already posted that myself in the past. It says: "Blackburn need players who are 100% for the club and I'm not," said the Congolese international.

100% for the club does not necessarily translate into not giving 100% on the pitch. As I've said, I've never seen him give less than 100% in a Rovers shirt before - even when he's had the pre-pay rise blues. This seems like a matter of principle to me.

What about the principle of doing the job you are paid to do or forfeiting your pay? If you go on strike you don't get paid. Therefore if he really is genuinely in dispute and not just throwing a silly tantrum, he should agree that he won't be paid. But no. It's have your cake and eat it with Chris if the stories are true. Shouldn't work like that.

[Stuart]

What about the principle of doing the job you are paid to do or forfeiting your pay? If you go on strike you don't get paid. Therefore if he really is genuinely in dispute and not just throwing a silly tantrum, he should agree that he won't be paid. But no. It's have your cake and eat it with Chris if the stories are true. Shouldn't work like that.

I've said that. He can afford to forego his wage til the end of the season - time to let him.

Pick him for every squad and fine him every time he doesn't turn up. (Assuming the rules allow it).

[Mercer]

I am not saying Samba's behaviour is correct, however, I think there might be a bit of 'if it's good enough for the goose then it's good enough for the gander' in all of this.

Just look at the behaviour and principles of Venky's & Kean since the takeover - IMO, they are not in in a position to lecture anyone about principles, integrity etc and there lies a big part of the problem !

[gumboots]

I am not saying Samba's behaviour is correct, however, I think there might be a bit of 'if it's good enough for the goose then it's good enough for the gander' in all of this.

Just look at the behaviour and principles of Venky's & Kean since the takeover - IMO, they are not in in a position to lecture anyone about principles, integrity etc and there lies a big part of the problem !

But we all know Kean works hard!

[DE.]

Problem with Samba's 'methods' is he isn't just spiting the owners, he's spiting his own team mates and the fans.

[Brfcrule1]

RoyRover wrote:• He then apparently has a slight hamstring injury meaning that he can't / refuses to play in a friendly organised for him.

Just to let you know according to the article last night:

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Blackburn-Chris-Samba-will-not-be-offered-new-deal-to-stay-article864576.html

The MRI scan on his hamstring came back clear so clearly he is lying to SK about this injury and according to Kamy on yesterday's podcast he know has 15 agents I wonder why in my mind this cretin is taking the proverbial and with his behaviour the club clearly needs to take this matter further as he is in breach of contract and with his behaviour the chances of him going to a bigger club are remote as they will have the same concerns about his behaviour also this matter of having 15 agents is a classic example of him being destructive getting out of doing the job he is paid to do and making himself even more elusive he has thus far stepped beyond the line and taken player power to a new level.

[joey_big_nose]

I've said that. He can afford to forego his wage til the end of the season - time to let him.

Pick him for every squad and fine him every time he doesn't turn up. (Assuming the rules allow it).

There is a maximum fine agreed with the PFA of 2 weeks wages. However surely as this is breach of contract then we can not pay him as he is offering no service, and take him to court. He has to honour the contract as anyone does. If you paid a contractor to deliver and he renenged you would be allowed to sue not only for breach of contract but also costs and loss of earnings. If we get relegated with Samba refusing to play in a majority of games we could put forward a case for Samba to be responsbile for some of the loss of earnings resulting from being out of the prem. It could potentially cost him millions of pounds. And could also severely damage his reputation and mean he would find it hard to progress his career.

Legally it all seems quite plausible and effective. But then on the other hand do you want this to dominate the focus of the club while we are trying to stay in the league, and also potentially totally rupture the playing staff at the club? Also such action will inevitably lover the value that other clubs will pay for him. And it would take months if not years for the legal battle to be resolved.

We're in an awful situation here unless Samba decides he might as well play

[chaddyrovers]

Still unresolved according to a post on Twitter.

Mark Eggles Hitchen@markhitch

Chris Samba has reportedly failed to turn up for training today. This was supposed to be his return to first team training #Rovers #BRFC

Samba was back for training yesterday according to Alan Nixon on Twitter " Samba back in training as of yesterday. Kind of him to turn up."

[Steve Moss]

I understand not wanting to be involved with Venkys. But refusing to play until you get improved terms is mercenary. It is not a principled stance.

Samba's behavior is disgraceful. Normally he would be subjected to massive fines (though he could appeal) and. theoretically, a lawsuit. Will Venkys do it? I doubt it. Litigation or appeals means that Samba will be able to go into great detail about the alleged broken promises, the workings of the club and Kean's behavior. I don't think Venkys have the nerve for that.