[Archived] Fans Forum Statement

[Amo]

When the club actually endorses a statement from the Fans Forum that is supposedly making a stand... you know it's weak.

[Tom]

I'm kind of missing what pafell has said which is so bad or appears to be so wide of the mark to some. It is common knowledge that the fans buyout isn't really a goer if we stay up, that's the point he's raised.

He doesn't want to join brag, also I fail to see the problem with that. I dont want to join either. Does that mean I'm in for a verbal shoeing on here as well??

He's raised some valid points and I think it's about time people gave him a bit of a break.

I think it's the amount it's being repeated that is rubbing folk the wrong way maybe

[Doug]

I'm kind of missing what pafell has said which is so bad or appears to be so wide of the mark to some. It is common knowledge that the fans buyout isn't really a goer if we stay up, that's the point he's raised.

He doesn't want to join brag, also I fail to see the problem with that. I dont want to join either. Does that mean I'm in for a verbal shoeing on here as well??

He's raised some valid points and I think it's about time people gave him a bit of a break.

I agree.

[thenodrog]

No one poster on this site has tried to sow disunity more than you have Pafell. Everyday, over and over again---while pleading for unity!

Hrmmmph.... I can see that I am going to have to turn up the gas on the Lanky Utd propaganda!

btw For 25m I think we could easily buy PNE, get half the staff off the wage bill, rename the union Lanky Utd and leave the Venkeys to rot in an empty Ewood Park and still have change to attract a proper management team. Flitty as coach and Mike Newell as manager'd do for starters.

[SouthAussieRover]

I think it's the amount it's being repeated that is rubbing folk the wrong way maybe

You've got it in one.

[Stuart]

He's raised some valid points and I think it's about time people gave him a bit of a break.

What Tom said. I think it's time PAFELL gave us a bit of a break.

He/She gives the term 'agenda' a lot of creedance with the constant line about BRAG, WW, whoever else, WANTING the club relegated. We get it, PAFELL doesn't like BRAG/Protesters.

What I've yet to hear from PAFELL is an ALTERNATIVE IDEA - apart from (to paraphrase) "just give up and let Venkys do what the hell they want with the club".

Still, at least he's managed to stop the likes of Glen posting on here, which will no doubt make a lot of people happy.

When the club actually endorses a statement from the Fans Forum that is supposedly making a stand... you know it's weak.

Welcome to the world of diplomacy and politics.

[Doug]

What Tom said. I think it's time PAFELL gave us a bit of a break.He/She gives the term 'agenda' a lot of creedance with the constant line about BRAG, WW, whoever else, WANTING the club relegated. We get it, PAFELL doesn't like BRAG/Protesters.

What I've yet to hear from PAFELL is an ALTERNATIVE IDEA - apart from (to paraphrase) "just give up and let Venkys do what the hell they want with the club".

Still, at least he's managed to stop the likes of Glen posting on here, which will no doubt make a lot of people happy.

Welcome to the world of diplomacy and politics.

Perhaps you should consider the same after that post. Pafell posted, usually after being taunted by the trolls who post on here, and his points were (imo) relevant, in most cases.

People don't have to have an alternative plan to debate the pro's and con's of an idea. 'what's your idea' is just a very defensive answer when you are struggling to justify your own position.

To lay the entire blame of certain poster(s) leaving the forum at his feet is ridiculous.

And, just look who appears in the top posters most days - can you guess?

[Mattyblue]

I don't think people that are getting annoyed about PAFFELL repeating himself page after page are 'Trolls'.

But on folk leaving the forum, I agree with you, Glen Mullan was never off this site when he was getting smoke blown up his arse, when he gets a bit of heat, he flounces off.

[Stuart]

Perhaps you should consider the same after that post. Pafell posted, usually after being taunted by the trolls who post on here, and his points were (imo) relevant, in most cases.

People don't have to have an alternative plan to debate the pro's and con's of an idea. 'what's your idea' is just a very defensive answer when you are struggling to justify your own position.

To lay the entire blame of certain poster(s) leaving the forum at his feet is ridiculous.

And, just look who appears in the top posters most days - can you guess?

I disagree with virtually everything you've typed there.

The only reason I'm high on posts (assuming it is me, I don't check) is because I post on more than one thread, combined with the fact that overall posting must be at an all time low. Why is that do you think - can YOU guess?

I always try to avoid being personal but when a poster repeats the same thing ad infinitum, ignores replies and will not offer ANYTHING constructive, it's difficult.

To be honest I'm at the point now where I'm thinking about packing this site in. But like an addict, I keep coming back hoping for some good news - which never comes.

[47er]

I disagree with virtually everything you've typed there.

So do I!

[Doug]

I don't think people that are getting annoyed about PAFFELL repeating himself page after page are 'Trolls'.But on folk leaving the forum, I agree with you, Glen Mullan was never off this site when he was getting smoke blown up his arse, when he gets a bit of heat, he flounces off.

I agree, not the majority, but there are some that would just 'taunt' enough to provoke a response.

I also believe that this site has been used by certain poster(s) to promote the alternative site that's just been set up and now is a convenient time to leave.

So do I!

[SouthAussieRover]

12milesfromewood, I have a question to ask you.

Who are these trolls that you refer to?

[Sparky Marky]

Who' that trip trapping over my bridge?

[Doug]

I disagree with virtually everything you've typed there.

The only reason I'm high on posts (assuming it is me, I don't check) is because I post on more than one thread, combined with the fact that overall posting must be at an all time low. Why is that do you think - can YOU guess?

I always try to avoid being personal but when a poster repeats the same thing ad infinitum, ignores replies and will not offer ANYTHING constructive, it's difficult.

To be honest I'm at the point now where I'm thinking about packing this site in. But like an addict, I keep coming back hoping for some good news - which never comes.

Stuart, I always look for your posts because they are usually humerous and get a point over. But, IMO, as I'm trying to point out, there has to be room for alternative views and I found his posts tested the argument for fans buyout very well. Surely debate is about honing an idea to a satisfactory conclusion and you need views from as many people as possible to ultimately achieve this.

12milesfromewood, I have a question to ask you.

Who are these trolls that you refer to?

Read the thread and you will see, they are obvious.

[47er]

Read the thread and you will see, they are obvious.

[SouthAussieRover]

Ah you mean 47er and the likes.

You're pretty astute for a poster who's only been on for 4 months.....though I'm sure you've got previous

[PAFELL]

I have only just seen that I appear to be the subject to a debate at the moment.

First I thank those who have spoken up for me. Very much apprieciated.

Second it has been mentioned I have posted often. That maybe the case. But for the majority of the time I have responded to posts in relation to my own. I have also responded to numerous provocations. Not just on here, but on twitter. I have also replyed to allegations - mainly from those who support BRAG. The last one is I have been attacking supporters - which came from one of the protest organisors. I have been told I am anti-protest, pro-venkys, pro-kean neither which are true

When other posters have posted a comment I have said I agree with what they say or don't - whatever the situation.

I have had constant comments that I do not attend many matches. Yet I have had repeatedly 'defend' that situation because others keep bringing it up. I live on the south coast and it costs a fortune in travel, accomodation match ticket etc etc. But that does not mean I do not care about the club I have supported for as long as I can remember. I am from the blackburn area.

Often it has been mentioned I have not come up with a solution - incidently neither have those who bring up that subject. There are many things I could mention but I cannot be bothered.

But one thing I will mention there have been a number of posters who have agreed with some of the comments I have posted. They have told me this via PM. They have done so via PM because they do not want people jumping down their throats, to be subject to abuse, provocations as I have done. You would be very surprised at who have contacted me.

It was not so long ago philip was telling people on here there is problems at the club, venkys, Anderson etc etc. Often the same people giving him abuse. Often he was told to shut up, give it a rest etc. But he was proved right.

There is enough disunity on here, without using me as the subject. Every single person is entitled to their opinion. If that opinion is questioned, everyone has a right to respond further. Yet strangely if a poster did not answer a particular post - people complain. Then when people answer other peoples post - they are told they are posting to much.

This thread is about the FF statement - well that is how it started. We all want communication from the owners. Well it looks like venkys may respond to the Fans forum. Communication is better than none - no matter the differing views on the Forum. As I understand their remit - which in some ways may hinder them - for the fans forum, I am in favour of them. If others do not like that - I do not give a damn.

[47er]

Read the thread and you will see, they are obvious.

I just skimmed the last 10 pages and for the record I've posted 14 times on this thread, while Pafell posted 29 times!

If I could be bothered doing the 10 pages before that the result would be the same I'd think.

So Stuart is absolutely right. Personally I'm sick of reading the continuous insinuations and innuendo against really loyal Rovers fans who not only care but are trying to do something about it

and if you don't like that I don't really care. He's not the only one but he is by far the most fixated.

[PAFELL]

I'm kind of missing what pafell has said which is so bad or appears to be so wide of the mark to some. It is common knowledge that the fans buyout isn't really a goer if we stay up, that's the point he's raised. CORRECT -THE PLAN IS DEAD WITHOUT RELEGATION - WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY (BADLY MAYBE)

He doesn't want to join brag, also I fail to see the problem with that. I dont want to join either. Does that mean I'm in for a verbal shoeing on here as well??

He's raised some valid points and I think it's about time people gave him a bit of a break.

[PAFELL]

I just skimmed the last 10 pages and for the record I've posted 14 times on this thread, while Pafell posted 29 times!

If I could be bothered doing the 10 pages before that the result would be the same I'd think.

So Stuart is absolutely right. Personally I'm sick of reading the continuous insinuations and innuendo against really loyal Rovers fans who not only care but are trying to do something about it

and if you don't like that I don't really care. He's not the only one but he is by far the most fixated.

Well that really sums things up. You decided to go back 10 pages, to count my posts and your own. How sad. I have never said BRAG are not trying to do something about the situation. I have repeatedly said I agree with the reasons for the protests. I have said why the plan will not work - incidently you have not said why it will.

I have always said venkys and kean need to go.

But I also face reality on subjects. I have said venkys have dug their heals in - evidence shows that. Both they and Kean are still here - no matter what has been thrown at them, over here and in India. So I have said something else needs to be done - but what is another subject. I see you have not come up with any solutions either.

Ok how many times did you ask me to say why I did not trust one of the organisors - how many times did you keep asking Kamy to explain what he meant about Qatar. That is where some have a problem They post something and expect an answer. Then when they are answered, the poster is told he is repeating himself. The other side of the coin is people can post and be ignored by all - pointless having a forum then.

Ok what insinuations etc have I mentioned? Do you think people who do not support BRAG are not loyal supporters? Do loyal supporters have to have the same view point?

[47er]

Well that really sums things up. You decided to go back 10 pages, to count my posts and your own. How sad. I have never said BRAG are not trying to do something about the situation. I have repeatedly said I agree with the reasons for the protests. I have said why the plan will not work - incidently you have not said why it will.

I have always said venkys and kean need to go.

But I also face reality on subjects. I have said venkys have dug their heals in - evidence shows that. Both they and Kean are still here - no matter what has been thrown at them, over here and in India. So I have said something else needs to be done - but what is another subject. I see you have not come up with any solutions either.

Ok how many times did you ask me to say why I did not trust one of the organisors - how many times did you keep asking Kamy to explain what he meant about Qatar. That is where some have a problem They post something and expect an answer. Then when they are answered, the poster is told he is repeating himself. The other side of the coin is people can post and be ignored by all - pointless having a forum then.

Ok what insinuations etc have I mentioned? Do you think people who do not support BRAG are not loyal supporters? Do loyal supporters have to have the same view point?

I knew you'd say it was sad! The only sad thing was having to read them in the first place! I set out to show you are obsessive on this issue and you are.

Re Kamy---4 times because I really wanted to know. I know you and others tried to answer for him but I actually wanted to know what he meant not what others thought he meant.

Insinuations------I don't trust the protest leaders but I won't say why thus casting a slur on them they couldn't respond to,, Brag want Rovers to go down so they can get their hands on the club (could it have been their plan all along?), Glen will be furious that West Brom lost, link between Glen working at WEC and supporting Wayne Wild's adopted scheme. These and others repeated over and over again, page after sodding page.

Eventually you partially backed away from them under pressure from me and others but don't play the innocent. There's a long distance between your position and Ricky's for example.

Anyway that's it from me, I am truly sick of it.

[Roost]

Anyway that's it from me, I am truly sick of it.

...but determined to have the last word.

You disagree with him, he disagrees with you.

Grow up.

[greco]

I knew you'd say it was sad! The only sad thing was having to read them in the first place! I set out to show you are obsessive on this issue and you are.

Re Kamy---4 times because I really wanted to know. I know you and others tried to answer for him but I actually wanted to know what he meant not what others thought he meant.

Insinuations------I don't trust the protest leaders but I won't say why thus casting a slur on them they couldn't respond to,, Brag want Rovers to go down so they can get their hands on the club (could it have been their plan all along?), Glen will be furious that West Brom lost, link between Glen working at WEC and supporting Wayne Wild's adopted scheme. These and others repeated over and over again, page after sodding page.

Eventually you partially backed away from them under pressure from me and others but don't play the innocent. There's a long distance between your position and Ricky's for example.

Anyway that's it from me, I am truly sick of it.

+1

[Fife Rover]

I'm kind of missing what pafell has said which is so bad or appears to be so wide of the mark to some. It is common knowledge that the fans buyout isn't really a goer if we stay up, that's the point he's raised.

He doesn't want to join brag, also I fail to see the problem with that. I dont want to join either. Does that mean I'm in for a verbal shoeing on here as well??

He's raised some valid points and I think it's about time people gave him a bit of a break.

+1

[SouthAussieRover]

+1

-1 to Greco and FF for quoting a whole post in order to post .+ 1