[Archived] Supporters Trust do we really trust them?

[Silittl]

For those who wish to slate BRAG all the time I wonder whether you will do the same when I tell you about the secret meeting between the Supporters Trust and the FF.

Yes they have been meeting behind closed. In fact they have a meeting on Saturday night and one again next week to elect an interim committee. Sthe committee is to be lected by selected people chosen to attend. So much so an email was sent to a member of BRAG asking them to attend.

Yes this secretive behaviour has come from within this forum and the FF.

For all our mistakes the we one thing BRAG has always been is transparent. Oh and yes I have the email exchange should people want read it.

I will give you little taster as proof this no lie

I hope you dont mind but I have been passed your details from ********.  I ,along with a number of others, have been involved with registering an Official Blackburn Rovers Supporters Trust (BRST).  You may be aware of Duncan Miller who has been the main instigator of the proposed Trust from its inception.

 

We are currently in the final striaght in terms of making the Trust a registered and affiliated member through Supporters Direct (SD).  This process has taken some time in progressing the Trust to this point, in part due to funding issues through SD, new ownership of the club and placing key commitee members for the Tust going forward.

 

In its infancy Duncan simply wanted an offical voice for Rovers fans which was initially brought about by the proposed sale of the club.  The Trust would be inclusive for all Rovers fans to be involved in and give them the power to vote for the committe members. At that time we had the support of John Williams, Tom Finn and many other senior figures associated with BRFC.

 

Safe to say that the club is now in turmoil due to the inept Owners and management team we now have.

 

As mentioned before the Trust can only become a viable and an official entity if same is inclusive.  We therefore would be obliged if you would be available to attend the next meeting for BRST. The dates we have originally put forward are as follows:

Saturday 25th Feb - 11:00

Friday 2nd March - 19:30

This meeting is to determine roles of the commitee for BRST which are as follows:

Chairman

Press

Secretary

Spokesperson

Supporters/Club Liaison

Supporters Direct Liaison

Social Media

Treasurer

Please note that these roles are initially agreed between the inital commitee and later voted by the inclusive members of BRST by way of an election

. 

　

This list is by no means final and this will certainly be a major discussion topic during the meeting.

I hope you can attend one of the proposed meeting days which will be held at a easily accessible location in Blackburn/Darwen.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards

Do you really trust the supporters trust now?

[Roost]

Simon, just for clarity, where are the FF mentioned in your post?

Are you saying that the email sent to a BRAG member came from an FF member?

[Ste B]

Simon, just for clarity, where are the FF mentioned in your post?

Are you saying that the email sent to a BRAG member came from an FF member?

Correct, this is nothing to do with the FF itself, although I believe a couple of members of the FF have been involved.

I dont see a big problem with this, as its setting up an "interim" committee ahead of recruiting and fully electing. Its something thats required to go through the legal framework that Supporters Direct demand.

[Silittl]

Simon, just for clarity, where are the FF mentioned in your post?

Are you saying that the email sent to a BRAG member came from an FF member?

No the email was sent from one of the main men involved in getting BRST of the ground. However members of the FF have had the same private invite to attend.

Thought BRST was meant to be democratically elected by fans. Hence why we have put this out in the open as BRAG will not have any part or support any group that is not democratically elected.

Though members of FF have attended secret meetings already.

[Roost]

Correct, this is nothing to do with the FF itself, although I believe a couple of members of the FF have been involved.

I dont see a big problem with this, as its setting up an "interim" committee ahead of recruiting and fully electing. Its something thats required to go through the legal framework that Supporters Direct demand.

That's what I thought. Cheers SteB

Simon, your post is misleading don't you think?

[PAFELL]

For those who wish to slate BRAG all the time I wonder whether you will do the same when I tell you about the secret meeting between the Supporters Trust and the FF.

Yes they have been meeting behind closed. In fact they have a meeting on Saturday night and one again next week to elect an interim committee. Sthe committee is to be lected by selected people chosen to attend. So much so an email was sent to a member of BRAG asking them to attend.

Yes this secretive behaviour has come from within this forum and the FF.

For all our mistakes the we one thing BRAG has always been is transparent. Oh and yes I have the email exchange should people want read it.

I will give you little taster as proof this no lie

I hope you dont mind but I have been passed your details from ********.  I ,along with a number of others, have been involved with registering an Official Blackburn Rovers Supporters Trust (BRST).  You may be aware of Duncan Miller who has been the main instigator of the proposed Trust from its inception.

 

We are currently in the final striaght in terms of making the Trust a registered and affiliated member through Supporters Direct (SD).  This process has taken some time in progressing the Trust to this point, in part due to funding issues through SD, new ownership of the club and placing key commitee members for the Tust going forward.

 

In its infancy Duncan simply wanted an offical voice for Rovers fans which was initially brought about by the proposed sale of the club.  The Trust would be inclusive for all Rovers fans to be involved in and give them the power to vote for the committe members. At that time we had the support of John Williams, Tom Finn and many other senior figures associated with BRFC.

 

Safe to say that the club is now in turmoil due to the inept Owners and management team we now have.

 

As mentioned before the Trust can only become a viable and an official entity if same is inclusive.  We therefore would be obliged if you would be available to attend the next meeting for BRST. The dates we have originally put forward are as follows:

Saturday 25th Feb - 11:00

Friday 2nd March - 19:30

This meeting is to determine roles of the commitee for BRST which are as follows:

Chairman

Press

Secretary

Spokesperson

Supporters/Club Liaison

Supporters Direct Liaison

Social Media

Treasurer

Please note that these roles are initially agreed between the inital commitee and later voted by the inclusive members of BRST by way of an election

. 

　

This list is by no means final and this will certainly be a major discussion topic during the meeting.

I hope you can attend one of the proposed meeting days which will be held at a easily accessible location in Blackburn/Darwen.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards

Do you really trust the supporters trust now?

BRAG are so open that they have been planning a protest v Villa for the past two weeks.

BRST and the FF I have no problem with. If they want to work together, so be it. They are not millitant like BRAG

[Ste B]

No the email was sent from one of the main men involved in getting BRST of the ground. However members of the FF have had the same private invite to attend.

Thought BRST was meant to be democratically elected by fans. Hence why we have put this out in the open as BRAG will not have any part or support any group that is not democratically elected.

Though members of FF have attended secret meetings already.

Thats because some people attended the intial launch meeting and registered interest in what was going on. Thats as individuals and not as the FF. In the same way some individuals attended the Brag open meeting recently.

[Silittl]

Correct, this is nothing to do with the FF itself, although I believe a couple of members of the FF have been involved.

I dont see a big problem with this, as its setting up an "interim" committee ahead of recruiting and fully electing. Its something thats required to go through the legal framework that Supporters Direct demand.

I see a massive problem with it as the trust should democratically elected from the word go. Secondly if the FF had nothing to hide why have you not been open and honest about from the start.

I will also state that prominent members of FF had a major pert to play in the start up of the protest movement. Yes I can prove this too.

Why am I putting all this out now. Because I am sick to the back teeth at the blame being put on BRAG. When in fact as stated above we have always been open and honest and prepared to admit our mistakes and defend ourselves.

[PAFELL]

No the email was sent from one of the main men involved in getting BRST of the ground. However members of the FF have had the same private invite to attend.

Thought BRST was meant to be democratically elected by fans. Hence why we have put this out in the open as BRAG will not have any part or support any group that is not democratically elected.

Though members of FF have attended secret meetings already.

What does it matter? BRAG are linked to WEC management, Wayne Wild - which you chose to work with. FF, maybe linked and talking with the BRST - so what. One meeting, one email - I am sure they will share when they need to do so.

[Roost]

No the email was sent from one of the main men involved in getting BRST of the ground. However members of the FF have had the same private invite to attend.

Thought BRST was meant to be democratically elected by fans. Hence why we have put this out in the open as BRAG will not have any part or support any group that is not democratically elected.

Though members of FF have attended secret meetings already.

Simon, you perhaps would have been better getting your facts right before starting this thread. Who put you up to it?

[Silittl]

That's what I thought. Cheers SteB

Simon, your post is misleading don't you think?

No I don't because while I have no issue in two forums working together. The trust committe is not being democratically elected from the word go as it should and secret meetings being held.

[Ste B]

I see a massive problem with it as the trust should democratically elected from the word go. Secondly if the FF had nothing to hide why have you not been open and honest about from the start.

I will also state that prominent members of FF had a major pert to play in the start up of the protest movement. Yes I can prove this too.

Why am I putting all this out now. Because I am sick to the back teeth at the blame being put on BRAG. When in fact as stated above we have always been open and honest and prepared to admit our mistakes and defend ourselves.

You saying that I've been lying somewhere here ?? It was on record last year that I attended the launch, and i've suggested at your open meeting that its something that people should get behind. The BRST is NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FANS FORUM.

[Silittl]

Simon, you perhaps would have been better getting your facts right before starting this thread. Who put you up to it?

My facts are right

[Ste B]

No I don't because while I have no issue in two forums working together. The trust committe is not being democratically elected from the word go as it should and secret meetings being held.

I cant speak for the BRST, but they cant hold many of the open meetings until they have signed off all the legal stuff. They are doing things properly, which unfortunately takes time.

[Miker]

Simon, please don't insult my intelligence and that of other fans by saying BRAG has always been open and transparent because then I can start posting copies of messages from BRAG that show they definitely haven't been.

I don't see anything wrong with the email above, they have made it clear that an initial committee will be setup followed by an election. That's pretty standard for a professional organisation and furthermore at least they haven't pretended to have a public election, tell everyone about how public and honest they are, only for that election to have taken place without the knowledge of the vast majority of Rovers supporters.

[Kamy100]

I don't see anything wrong with that e-mail Simon, it seems clear to me after reading that e-mail that they are having to do this in order to get accreditation with the Supporters Direct, the fact that they contacted you and I persume other groups shows that they are trying to be inclusive.

[Silittl]

Ok then answer this why would an invite be sent to a member of BRAG to stand for election when te have never attended or shown any interet in being part of the trust. That isn't doing things the right way.

[PAFELL]

My facts are right

Who is paying you? Is it WEc / Wayne Wild - this is a question not an allegation. Because that is how much damage BRAG has done to the plan of a fans buy out. You have given Venkys their way out and a fantastic way of using any propoganda they want.

[he6rt6gr6m]

Ste B has it spot on here.

If Simon wants to go into this further, it would seem you have all of our emails from your "contact". So, instead of trying to smear what we are doing, why don't you do the mature thing and talk to us about it?

Not only have you damaged BRIST's proposal today, now you're trying to damage what we are trying to do also.

We're WIDE open. Ask, and you shalt receive.

I'm concerned about the legal ramifications of the contents of that confidential email, given the personal opinion displayed there, not only to the trust, but also to BRFCS.

[Silittl]

Ste B has it spot on here.

If Simon wants to go into this further, it would seem you have all of our emails from your "contact". So, instead of trying to smear what we are doing, why don't you do the mature thing and talk to us about it?

Not only have you damaged BRIST's proposal today, now you're trying to damage what we are trying to do also.

We're WIDE open. Ask, and you shalt receive.

I'm concerned about the legal ramifications of the contents of that confidential email, given the personal opinion displayed there, not only to the trust, but also to BRFCS.

Then as far as I am concerned things should be done correctly.

[AndyNeil]

I am a member of the FF, I also offered to help out the BRST with the position of interim Treasurer while it was set up as a legal entity with Supporters Direct (a government funded organistaion), with a view to then stepping down while they held open and free elections. To say that the BRST and FF have been holding secret meetings is somewhat streching the truth at best and at worst a misrepresentation of the facts IMO an attempt to discredit both the BRST and FF.

Simon, I thought you wanted the BRAG and FF to meet in an attempt to draw a line under this petty behaviour and us all to work together, however your actions this evening seem to be the actions of a person who is attempting to discredit both the BRST and FF.

[Roost]

Then as far as I am concerned things should be done correctly.

Are you for real?

It's not easy to get the genie back in the bottle.

[he6rt6gr6m]

Then as far as I am concerned things should be done correctly.

Things ARE being done correctly. A democratic vote can only take place once the Supporters Trust is set up. Right now, those titles have to be assigned to temporary participants, willing to take this forward. After we are official and 100% up and running, we have a launch party, and after that, the election can take place.

What you have done today has been absolutely diabolical, Simon. I am very disappointed. You should relinquish any further involvement with BRAG and protest organising. And that's MY personal opinion. NOT that of the Blackburn Rovers Supporters Trust.

[Kamy100]

I agree Fernhurst, I just can't see the point of this thread, it just looks like more unecessary mud slinging and attempt to discredit BRST on the basis of a confidential e-mail where it isn't apparent exactly what BRST have done wrong.

[47er]

Who is paying you? Is it WEc / Wayne Wild - this is a question not an allegation. Because that is how much damage BRAG has done to the plan of a fans buy out. You have given Venkys their way out and a fantastic way of using any propoganda they want.

Oh dear! Pafell just giving his opinion and asking a question and not committing a slur against anyone--again!