[Archived] Financial problems?

[Mercer]

Not sure if anyone has seen this - haven't seen Andrews' article:

Babak Golriz‏@BabakGolriz

Keith Andrews has claimed that "weekly budgets" from Financial Director dictate who can be selected by Kean due to match fees (For,Roch,Vuk)

[LeChuck]

Not sure if anyone has seen this - haven't seen Andrews' article:

Babak Golriz‏@BabakGolriz

Keith Andrews has claimed that "weekly budgets" from Financial Director dictate who can be selected by Kean due to match fees (For,Roch,Vuk)

That would validate what Salgado was saying on his Twitter.

He heavily implied it was match fees that were stopping Venky's selecting him. That would make perfect sense as it's widely reported that another 9 games would see him given a new contract - so why not play him for 8 games?

It was also explain the complete disappearance of Vukcevic...

[DE.]

Guess that explains why we haven't seen Vukcevic lately.

What a horrendous way to run a club - and only a manager with absolutely no personal pride would allow themselves to be dictated to by a budget sheet.

[OJRovers]

No direct quotes from Keith, so might not be true.

I wouldn't put it past Kean/Venkys though.

[BiggusLaddus]

Guess that explains why we haven't seen Vukcevic lately.

What a horrendous way to run a club - and only a manager with absolutely no personal pride would allow themselves to be dictated to by a budget sheet.

Working within your budget is a perfectly sensible way to run a football club. Just a pity that we were not run with as much sense for the last 12months, then the medicine might not have to taste so bad now.

Every single manager in England, whose name is not Roberto Mancini, is dicated to by a budget sheet. Any financial mess the club may be dealing with is purely down to the idiots who appointed Kean, not the man himself. He'e too busy ballsing up the playing side.

[LeChuck]

Working within your budget is a perfectly sensible way to run a football club

Not on a weekly basis it's not. It's chaotic and totally undermines any authority the manager supposedly has. Nobody should interfere with his squad selection, even if "he" happens to be as pathetic as Steve Kean.

If it's true then it's possibly the most ridiculous thing Venky's have done to date - gambling millions and millions of Premier League money to save a few grand on appearance fees.

For me it would conclusively prove that they do not care in the slightest if Rovers go down or not.

With the Samba money paying off Barclays, I wonder if restrictions will be lifted?

[Stuart]

Whilst having a finance person in charge of team selection is a complete disaster this sounds like just another excuse to go in Kean's autobiography

Anyone with an ounce of personal pride would not put up with such circumstances.

It also doesn't excuse the previous 18 months.

[BiggusLaddus]

It would suggest to me that venky's have washed their hands and the FD is making sure that the club has enough money to last the season.

If the budget changes on a weekly basis then yes that would be chaotic nonsense, but if the allowable money for the rest of the season has been broken down into a weekly figure for the benefit of kean, that is a lot more sensible.

[Stuart]

It would suggest to me that venky's have washed their hands and the FD is making sure that the club has enough money to last the season.

If the budget changes on a weekly basis then yes that would be chaotic nonsense, but if the allowable money for the rest of the season has been broken down into a weekly figure for the benefit of kean, that is a lot more sensible.

Sobering thought.

But how can a "virtually debt free" football club be in such straits?

[DE.]

Working within your budget is a perfectly sensible way to run a football club. Just a pity that we were not run with as much sense for the last 12months, then the medicine might not have to taste so bad now.

Every single manager in England, whose name is not Roberto Mancini, is dicated to by a budget sheet. Any financial mess the club may be dealing with is purely down to the idiots who appointed Kean, not the man himself. He'e too busy ballsing up the playing side.

It's obviously not working within a budget that I'm objecting to. What I object to is a manager's weekly team selection being dictated by a weekly budget report saying who can play and when. If you think that's a good way to run a team then okay - I don't think a weekly budget report is a particularly accurate judge of form, ability or tactical necessity. But maybe I'm wrong.

If we can't afford to play the players on a weekly basis we should never have bought them. Playing them on a budgeted basis will not lead to a stable team or any kind of consistency.

[BiggusLaddus]

The club has run at a loss for years (accelerated under venkys), and in that time we never had oodles of cash to waste. If all the taps have been turned off, then massive debts or no debts, budgets will be tight.

[thenodrog]

Sobering thought.

But how can a "virtually debt free" football club be in such straits?

Could it be that Barclays don't trust them enough to lend em anything?

[BiggusLaddus]

If we can't afford to play the players on a weekly basis we should never have bought them. Playing them on a budgeted basis will not lead to a stable team or any kind of consistency.

Agree completely, but we are where we are. If my guess is correct then we can't really blame the woman currently in charge of the purse strings, if all she is doing is correcting the mistakes of idiots from before she arrived at the club.

But that's just my opinion, based on a guess, based on an unconfirmed report from twitter that may have been made by a former player, who may or may not have an axe to grind.

[gumboots]

Agree completely, but we are where we are. If my guess is correct then we can't really blame the woman currently in charge of the purse strings, if all she is doing is correcting the mistakes of idiots from before she arrived at the club.

But that's just my opinion, based on a guess, based on an unconfirmed report from twitter that may have been made by a former player, who may or may not have an axe to grind.

If this rumour is true though, it's still a totally daft way to do things. You get your best team on the pitch and let them get on with winning if possible then you sort out the finances which will be a whole lot healthier the higher we finish up the laeague rather than decide on who plays according to whether they fit into this week's budget and getting relegated. Higher finish = more cash from the league. It's a no brainer really.

[DE.]

Also worth noting Keef would not be the first person to suggest Kean does not pick the team.

[LeChuck]

If this rumour is true though, it's still a totally daft way to do things. You get your best team on the pitch and let them get on with winning if possible then you sort out the finances which will be a whole lot healthier the higher we finish up the laeague rather than decide on who plays according to whether they fit into this week's budget and getting relegated. Higher finish = more cash from the league. It's a no brainer really.

Totally agree.

With £750k per place, we only need to finish one league position higher to pay all the appearances fees from now until the end of the season.

I'm not sure how you're finding positives in this approach BiggusLaddus, it looks like suicide to me. I absolutely refuse to believe that this club would be in financial trouble if Kean could select who he wants every game. It's nonsense.

[OJRovers]

With Samba gone, making space in the weekly budget, will we see Vuckevic in the team tomorrow?

[Mercer]

With Samba gone, making space in the weekly budget, will we see Vuckevic in the team tomorrow?

Depends if Samba has been in the weekly budget as no involvement since 02 Jan !!!

Would not surprise me at all if the 'fall out' of the two parties had not been factored-in !!!

A couple of points, firstly, seems like Barclays have swallowed fee with no extension therefore credit just as tight and secondly, as fee not as high as first thought, net of Hertha share & Zhavi's fee, would be surprised if there's anything more than £6m to bank.

[Stuart]

Depends if Samba has been in the weekly budget as no involvement since 02 Jan !!!

Would not surprise me at all if the 'fall out' of the two parties had not been factored-in !!!

A couple of points, firstly, seems like Barclays have swallowed fee with no extension therefore credit just as tight and secondly, as fee not as high as first thought, net of Hertha share & Zhavi's fee, would be surprised if there's anything more than £6m to bank.

I agree, Mercer, it's these kinds of things which make me sceptical of any version of events provided by Kean and co.

[47er]

That would validate what Salgado was saying on his Twitter.

He heavily implied it was match fees that were stopping Venky's selecting him. That would make perfect sense as it's widely reported that another 9 games would see him given a new contract - so why not play him for 8 games?

It was also explain the complete disappearance of Vukcevic...

If that's the case we obviously are run on a shoe-string from week to week. It might well explain Vukevic's absence. How utterly insane.

[Beta Ray Bill]

I hope Yak doesn't have a goal bonus otherwise expect a series of bizarre events each match to halt play just as he's through.

55 year old Erica Roe makes an appearance.

A troupe of cheerleaders start waving their pom poms ahead of half time.

You saw the Anfield cat - say hello to the Ewood walrus.

Yak stops in his tracks when someone in midfield makes a lung busting run to get up to support.

[Pedro]

Surely the bottom scenario would have to happen regardless of the method chosen?

If they relegate one less team from the Championship but the same number come up from League One, then League One will be a team short.

To keep the numbers the same in the Championship they have to take a team from League One, which will probably have a knock-on effect down the leagues to at least Conference Premier.

SORRY MEANT TO QUOTE THE TEAM SELECTION BUDGET QUOTE. As for Pompey, they will be bought out and won't go out of business.

RE, TEAM SELECTION: It might have truth in it. Facts are, neither Andrews, Salgado or Roberts performed well enough to earn a place in the team and I wouldn't have them in the team either to be fair.

What makes me question if there is truth in it though and why it is believable is strange substitutions such as Henley coming on the other week when we were desperate for some experience (Simon would have been the obvious choice).

[ABBEY]

And Orr is a dingle world beater.. Anyone see sky the other night ? They had a "tax" special on and they said the ONLY div in England making a profit is league 2. .... Perhaps thats what the scummers intend.

[Majiball]

And Orr is a dingle world beater.. Anyone see sky the other night ? They had a "tax" special on and they said the ONLY div in England making a profit is league 2. .... Perhaps thats what the scummers intend.

It's all about squad value nowadays ABB's and ours is looking pretty. Just look at all the lovely rupees we've made selling our cash cows! Venky's venture into the cattle industry is looking a smart move.

[bannedwidth]

And Orr is a dingle world beater.. Anyone see sky the other night ? They had a "tax" special on and they said the ONLY div in England making a profit is league 2. .... Perhaps thats what the scummers intend.

Yet another fantastic post from the resident 'I'm hard so my opinion must be considered' guy. Well done, I don't know how you do it.