[Archived] Financial problems?

[Stuart]

Rhodie said:

Absolute bunkum. We are not a trading club, we are a selling club! That much is blindingly obvious...Trading means selling. Wrong - in context, a trading club sells to buy. A selling clubs sells to sell.

The reason people are not happy about the likes of Roberts and Andrews going varies but it's largely down to two things:

1) They need upgrading and have (astonishingly) been downgraded.Roberts was replaced by Yakuba and Andrews was replaced by any one of our new players you choose. Wrong - Yakubu didn't replace Roberts they were here at the same time. Andrews is a moot point but I'd argue we've even downgrading from Andrews.

2) The way they have been unceremoniously dumped by the club after several years of service - zero class.Sorry but they weren`t dumped they were paid a fortune then told their services are no longer required. You just don't understand what Rovers as a club is, do you? Thank goodness people like JW did.

What assets do we have left on the playing side? Seriously? This is a big part of the problem. Somebody has killed the golden goose. Givet ,Olsson,Nzonzi,Robinson,Dann,To name a few. Scraping the barrel there Rhodie. These players aren't going to bring in much money at all. Possibly Robinson and N'Zonzi, the rest we may even give away to get them off the wage bill.

[rhodie]

We will do bloody well to sell the likes of Goodwillie, Formica, Rochina, Orr, Anderson (althogh 50p would be a profit on him) etc for a profit. Mainly because they're all a bit crap. We'll be lucky to be able to sell them at all!

Lol they could be passed of on a BOGOF basis.

[rhodie]

Rhodie said:

Absolute bunkum. We are not a trading club, we are a selling club! That much is blindingly obvious...Trading means selling. Wrong - in context, a trading club sells to buy. A selling clubs sells to sell.Either way players are going

The reason people are not happy about the likes of Roberts and Andrews going varies but it's largely down to two things:

1) They need upgrading and have (astonishingly) been downgraded.Roberts was replaced by Yakuba and Andrews was replaced by any one of our new players you choose. Wrong - Yakubu didn't replace Roberts they were here at the same time. Andrews is a moot point but I'd argue we've even downgrading from Andrews.So your saying Roberts didn`t need replacing and the Yak was bought as an added luxury.

2) The way they have been unceremoniously dumped by the club after several years of service - zero class.Sorry but they weren`t dumped they were paid a fortune then told their services are no longer required. You just don't understand what Rovers as a club is, do you? Thank goodness people like JW did.Sorry mate you obviously don`t know what a professional footballer is.(Mercenary)

What assets do we have left on the playing side? Seriously? This is a big part of the problem. Somebody has killed the golden goose. Givet ,Olsson,Nzonzi,Robinson,Dann,To name a few. Scraping the barrel there Rhodie. These players aren't going to bring in much money at all. Possibly Robinson and N'Zonzi, the rest we may even give away to get them off the wage bill.Can`t argue with that however the Goose has been dead since Jack passed away.

[roverandout]

we are not a trading club, we were a trading club under williams, under venkys, all they want to do is sell off their best assets and cut costs, we will probably be lucky to see one player coming in this summer!!

[philipl]

If the Nixon story is true, we are looking at asset stripping on a monumental scale.

[Stuart]

Rhodie,

Of course Roberts needed replacing. But the Yak replaced Kalinic, not Roberts. Who did we end up with? Another unknown gamble. You can't tell me we are not a "selling" club. I could stomach being a trading club - i.e. not needing to sell but the situation that we are in prevents that. The question you need to ask is why that is.

Players have been mercenaries since the abolition of the maximum wage, and even moreso since Bosman. Doesn't mean our club should stop behaving in the proper manner. These one and two line "statements" about players leaving completely lacks any class at all. Class that Rovers have had for many a long year before the current regime. Say whatever you like but I don't think I'm asking too much on this, Rhodie.

[RibbleValleyRover]

It's not really a radical change in transfer policy, it's pretty much the same method we saw under the previous owners (bring in, develop, sell and repeat) but on a more frequent scale.

Why it's not working this time:

- It's becoming harder and harder to find those young or out of favour players on the cheap. Having a ###### manager and owners isn't going to attract players.

- We don't have the right manager to develop them; well we don't have a manager full stop really.

- Under the trust when we sold a star we used some of the money to reinvest, so far due to the owners and the bank situation we sell players for big money and the money is gone.

If Nicko's article is true (and I really doubt that it is) then Venky's are in for a shock, there simply isn't £20m worth of talent left at the club - Samba was the last big value player on the books and if Rovers go down the low value of the squad will only get smaller.

Hoilett will be going for a small tribunal fee in the summer, Rochina and Formica can't produce consistently, maybe Myles is the one who can raise that money? Kean did say he was the next Chris Smalling. Maybe selling Myles and Goodwillie aka the Scottish Rooney will raise that £20m that Venky's want? Good luck with that Mrs D

[Waggy76]

If the Nixon story is true, we are looking at asset stripping on a monumental scale.

When was the last time Nixon had a true story ?? Seems to me he has written this article to deflect the problems his mate Coyle has ..

[rhodie]

Rhodie,

Of course Roberts needed replacing. But the Yak replaced Kalinic, not Roberts. Who did we end up with? Another unknown gamble. You can't tell me we are not a "selling" club. I could stomach being a trading club - i.e. not needing to sell but the situation that we are in prevents that. The question you need to ask is why that is.

Players have been mercenaries since the abolition of the maximum wage, and even moreso since Bosman. Doesn't mean our club should stop behaving in the proper manner. These one and two line "statements" about players leaving completely lacks any class at all. Class that Rovers have had for many a long year before the current regime. Say whatever you like but I don't think I'm asking too much on this, Rhodie.

Stuart I can understand where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is those players were no longer viable for the club They were struggling to carry out their jobs successfully and were coming to the end of their contracts,If we had played them much longer they would have triggered clauses for longer contracts .If we had not played them they would have been unhappy at being benched.They got asked to find another club and were paid a wage until they did find or whilst trying to find another club.I cannot for the life of me understand how they have been treat badly.What more could the club do for them? Would your boss at work do the same for you? Especially if you were being paid around 40 grand a week.

[den]

For those who claim that there have been some who have been against Venkys from the start, I would suggest that those persons fall into two categories:

1. Those who believed Jerome Anderson's involvement in the sale was poisonous to the club.

2. Those who believed Kean's appointment was stupidity of the highest order.

In both respects, those early opinions have proved accurate. So who has set up Venkys for failure? Those who expressed reservations or the snake who recommended Kean? And more telling, who has cemented failure by sticking with Kean?

There were plenty of signs Steve. One simple question - if the owners really knew what was needed to be successful, why did they feel the need to tell everyone that they could get us into the Champions League with £5m/transfer window + loans? The best owners and the best managers are the realistic ones. It is possible to be realistic while at the same time optimistic. This lot were deluded from day one and it's been so obvious for a long time.

[Pedro]

There were plenty of signs Steve. One simple question - if the owners really knew what was needed to be successful, why did they feel the need to tell everyone that they could get us into the Champions League with £5m/transfer window + loans? The best owners and the best managers are the realistic ones. It is possible to be realistic while at the same time optimistic. This lot were deluded from day one and it's been so obvious for a long time.

For me that interview had our only real insight to what they (rightly or wrongly) genuinely believed they could do. I think that in that first window they actually were true to their word. Signing JJ and RSC on loan made perfect sense, as did signing young potential in Formica and Rochina. I think that soon after that reality kicked in and the original plan changed.

[philipl]

For me that interview had our only real insight to what they (rightly or wrongly) genuinely believed they could do. I think that in that first window they actually were true to their word. Signing JJ and RSC on loan made perfect sense, as did signing young potential in Formica and Rochina. I think that soon after that reality kicked in and the original plan changed.

Reality kicked in with the sacking of Sam.

[John]

Reality kicked in when Mrs Desai publicly admitted she knew nothing about football - why did she buy us then???

[den]

For me that interview had our only real insight to what they (rightly or wrongly) genuinely believed they could do.

It was bullsh1t, as was their claim that they had watched Kean closely before promoting him. All the signs that they didn't know what they were doing, were there virtually from day one.

[Pedro]

Reality kicked in with the sacking of Sam.

For us it did, although I'd argue that up until the point they appointed Kean on a permanent basis we lived in hope that a decent, experienced manager was on the way.

Can anyone confirm if they actually interview anybody for the managers role after Sam was sacked??

It was bullsh1t, as was their claim that they had watched Kean closely before promoting him. All the signs that they didn't know what they were doing, were there virtually from day one.

But in fairness, in that window they did what they said they'd do...and at the time of the quotes about budgets and loan signings the rest of the football world laughed, and we farted with fear!

[Stuart]

Stuart I can understand where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is those players were no longer viable for the club They were struggling to carry out their jobs successfully and were coming to the end of their contracts,If we had played them much longer they would have triggered clauses for longer contracts .If we had not played them they would have been unhappy at being benched.They got asked to find another club and were paid a wage until they did find or whilst trying to find another club.I cannot for the life of me understand how they have been treat badly.What more could the club do for them? Would your boss at work do the same for you? Especially if you were being paid around 40 grand a week.

I keep saying it but I'm talking about a lack of class from the club. You are right, Premier League players are overpaid but that is the nature of the beast. If you don't pay these players, especially at a club like Rovers, they WILL NOT COME. FACT.

You do not treat a player like Salgado the way we have done. Hopefully you are familiar with the word "ignominy".

I'm going to predict that under Venkys we will NEVER have a player of Salgados class at our club again.

I'm not that old (although I feel it sometimes) but, even without massive bucks, Rovers have always had an ability (a tradition almost) to attract quality players. Speedie, Moran, Ardilles, etc. Notwithstanding we are probably going to be relegated, and we are a selling club, can you see anyone of any quality coming to sign for Kean and Venkys after the way they've treated players. If anything it means we'll have to pay mediocre players even more money.

The most fundemental issue here is, if Venky's CANNOT afford to run a Premier League club, why the hell did they buy us in the first place? I think we all actually know the answer though, don't we?

[promoted2001]

Oh my god it's a FIRE!.... sale

[Majiball]

The most fundemental issue here is, if Venky's CANNOT afford to run a Premier League club, why the hell did they buy us in the first place? I think we all actually know the answer though, don't we?

I reckon the answer is they love a good spit roasting.

[Stuart]

I reckon the answer is they love a good spit roasting.

I'm laughing and I don't know why!

[perthblue02]

I reckon the answer is they love a good spit roasting.

Thanks very much for that was just waiting for the liverpool v cardiff game to finish then off to bed , now can't get a picture of Kean Desai and Anderson out of my head , hope there's extra time and will stay up a bit longer till the picture clears.

[FourLaneBlue]

If the Nixon story is true, we are looking at asset stripping on a monumental scale.

It certainly goes with what we have seen under Venky's.

Look at those posters who are saying it is just tabloid rubbish. They are the ones who seem to constantly proven wrong by these shysters. Too trusting and, alas, Venky's just are NOT going to come good.

Rather than thinking it is scaremongering, it might well just be the tip of the iceberg.

There were plenty of signs Steve. One simple question - if the owners really knew what was needed to be successful, why did they feel the need to tell everyone that they could get us into the Champions League with £5m/transfer window + loans? The best owners and the best managers are the realistic ones. It is possible to be realistic while at the same time optimistic. This lot were deluded from day one and it's been so obvious for a long time.

Even that 5million input each season was a lie, wasn't it?

Tell you one thing about these Venky's. One thing they aren't is stupid. They know damn well what they are doing and, when all is said and done, will have made a fair few million out of Rovers.

[47er]

One reason I question it - although I would not put it past venkys to act in this way - is if venkys are not communicating. Where has this information come from? If venkys are to break their silence - do we think they would start with the Sunday People.

The article could have course be bang on. If true, it wouldn't be good for anybody wanting to buy the club - if venkys sold. A new owner would have to buy the club and then fund a huge transfer budget, just to get a squad together for whatever division the club is in.

What maddens me about you is that you ignore any responses and simply repeat your original position, often over and over again. I said, in reply to you, that Nixon could well have benefitted from a leak within Venkys or could be from within the club.

So Venkys would still not be communicating but the info could still be correct? Yes?

Can you at least acknowledge that possibility? Thank you.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

What maddens me about you is that you ignore any responses and simply repeat your original position, often over and over again. I said, in reply to you, that Nixon could well have benefitted from a leak within Venkys or could be from within the club.

So Venkys would still not be communicating but the info could still be correct? Yes?

Can you at least acknowledge that possibility? Thank you.

I doubt anyone outside Pune really knows - and would imagine that Nicko is putting together parts of a jigsaw, while guessing at the rest. Amazing that Nicko has gone from saying we had a £50m transfer budget - to now having a fire sale of our top players.

As Andy Cryer has tweeted - nobody seems to know what the Venky's are doing - nobody actually knows their wealth or their long term plans for the club. Given their track record it does make you fear for the worst. But there silence does leave a void for rumours - and this could just be another rumour. Unfortunately it would appear that there is little we can do about it.

[philipl]

Have to hand it to the Venky's- they did a magnificent BS job not only on the Trust but on Jerome Anderson, Kentaro and Nicko as well who all fell for the "we are rich" gubbins.

They aren't rich enough and they are getting poorer by the day as their share price subsides back towards reality.

[philipl]

Worth noting that if Jerome Anderson is right about being disposed of after January 2011, then the players currently being shipped out (Roberts, Nelsen, Samba, Salgado) are all the ones whom Kean/Mrs Desai gave significant pay rises to in Feb/March 2011 when there was no contractual need to do so.

My recollection is the relegation clauses in their contracts were removed as well.