[Archived] Samba Set To Sign For Anzhi

[davulsukur]

Robinson allegedly had a row with Kean after the Wigan away game, Kean tried to slaughter Robinson for applauding the fans at the end of the game, Robinson was having none of it though.

Nothing to do with Samba as far as I know.

Really? WTF? Why did he have a go at Robbo for that?

[Amo]

IMO there are too many reasons to hate Kean and Venky's without people inventing them, and the one that get's my goat is the never-ending attempts to show he has lost the dressing room when he patently hasn't.

Because God help us if he did?

[Gav]

I remember seeing Robinson going to applaud the fans after the game, it was on SSN. Kean was going after him, yelling his name. Looked a bit strange at the time.

They had an 'altercation' in the tunnel when Robinson had finished clapping the fans, which got rather heated in the dressing room allegedly, and that led to Robinson being dropped I was told.

You don't know what to make of some of rumours Bryan, but this seems to hold water from your observations and what I was told after the match.

[OJRovers]

Really? WTF? Why did he have a go at Robbo for that?

It was the end of the Wigan game where Kean went onto the pitch to drag the Rovers players off to stop them applauding the large numbers of fans that had travelled to support. Robbo ignored him and came right over and threw his gloves into the crowd to loud applause.

If there was one act of Kean's which made me personally never be able to support him it was that. Unforgivable.

[nellybc]

I was absoloutly livid at this at the time and remember talking to glen about it. Kean can think what he wants but just because a fair chunk were singing anti kean and anti venky's songs we were supporting the players 100% although dunny was pushing it a bit that day.

[davulsukur]

It was the end of the Wigan game where Kean went onto the pitch to drag the Rovers players off to stop them applauding the large numbers of fans that had travelled to support. Robbo ignored him and came right over and threw his gloves into the crowd to loud applause.

If there was one act of Kean's which made me personally never be able to support him it was that. Unforgivable.

Presumably the fans were chanting Kean out during the game?

I can't believe he did that. Somehow Kean gets even lower in my estimations, which i did not think was possible.

[thenodrog]

Presumably the fans were chanting Kean out during the game?

I can't believe he did that. Somehow Kean gets even lower in my estimations, which i did not think was possible.

Can read Kean's actions like a book.

The fans were chanting 'Kean out' and 'Venkeys out' and especially loudly after Dunny got his marching orders. Kean said in the press that he didn't know the Rao's had left for the airport just after HT so he would have been dragging the players back in the mistaken belief that Rao's were still there and that the players seemingly applauding supporter unrest aimed primarily at his management would backfire on him. He really is a slime ball.

Last sentence of this match report.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/19/wigan-athletic-blackburn-rovers-premier-league

[DE.]

I thought Kean's pathetic actions at the Wigan game were common knowledge. I'd heard rumours of a bust up with Robbo, thought Robbo was legit injured though?

[Tom]

Robbo for dropped a while after that game though wasn't it not straight after?

More guess work I imagine (with a bit of guesswork from myself)

[FourLaneBlue]

Can read Kean's actions like a book.

The fans were chanting 'Kean out' and 'Venkeys out' and especially loudly after Dunny got his marching orders. Kean said in the press that he didn't know the Rao's had left for the airport just after HT so he would have been dragging the players back in the mistaken belief that Rao's were still there and that the players seemingly applauding supporter unrest aimed primarily at his management would backfire on him. He really is a slime ball.

Last sentence of this match report.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/19/wigan-athletic-blackburn-rovers-premier-league

Yeah, that sums up the day.

Kean's actions were to suck up to Venky's, and damn the Rovers support.

I do, however, wonder exactly when it was that he realised he had utterly lost the Rovers fans. There must be a date.

Since then, he has been the enemy of all right-thinking Rovers fans.

[Stuart]

I wonder if losing at Wigan, under the circumstances, would have made any difference? Early enough in the season to attract a replacement possibly.

My gut feeling is no but I keep reading people who suggest Venkys intentions were originally good.

[Stuart]

Back on Samba though and I think the reaction to him going is very interesting when you compare it with Phil Jones. A young lad (scouted by Kean, hoho), a Rovers fan (so-called) and being given a pivotal role in Rovers midfield and would likely have meant no Dann requirement.

Fine, it could be argued that he is "showing ambition" (much like David Bentley) but if it was between Samba or Jones as to who was the greater Rovers man, it would be Jones every time.

Surely it could be argued that Jones still owed Rovers? We got many good years out of Samba for £500k but what did we get from Jones? 18 months - including a lengthy spell out injured?

Jones signing autographs for United fans before he even left! He wasn't frozen out at any point either.

So who is the bigger badguy?

[Roost]

Back on Samba though and I think the reaction to him going is very interesting when you compare it with Phil Jones. A young lad (scouted by Kean, hoho), a Rovers fan (so-called) and being given a pivotal role in Rovers midfield and would likely have meant no Dann requirement.

Fine, it could be argued that he is "showing ambition" (much like David Bentley) but if it was between Samba or Jones as to who was the greater Rovers man, it would be Jones every time.

Surely it could be argued that Jones still owed Rovers? We got many good years out of Samba for £500k but what did we get from Jones? 18 months - including a lengthy spell out injured?

Jones signing autographs for United fans before he even left! He wasn't frozen out at any point either.

So who is the bigger badguy?

Very good post, and something I hadn't considered.

Reading the above makes me think that perhaps Jones let us down more, he just did it more subtly.

[philipl]

The money we are getting for Samba is almost exactly the same as we are due to pay for Goodwillie and Dann.

What a horrendous swap.

[Stuart]

Ah but it doesn't matter what the contribute on the field. They'll be on (combined) less than half what Samba was on.

It's the new mantra, "quantity over quality"!

[thenodrog]

Back on Samba though and I think the reaction to him going is very interesting when you compare it with Phil Jones. A young lad (scouted by Kean, hoho), a Rovers fan (so-called) and being given a pivotal role in Rovers midfield and would likely have meant no Dann requirement.

Fine, it could be argued that he is "showing ambition" (much like David Bentley) but if it was between Samba or Jones as to who was the greater Rovers man, it would be Jones every time.

Surely it could be argued that Jones still owed Rovers? We got many good years out of Samba for £500k but what did we get from Jones? 18 months - including a lengthy spell out injured?

Jones signing autographs for United fans before he even left! He wasn't frozen out at any point either.

So who is the bigger badguy?

Apart from the fact that they didn't see out their contracts which imo is reprehensible unless it's by mutual agreement then neither of them are badguys. Everybody has the right to move if they can better themselves in life and these two moves seem to be examples of just that.

My issue is that the pair of them have gone for more money than the club cost, that money will not be used to benefit the club and I'm not one in the loop that is having a slice of it.

[thenodrog]

The money we are getting for Samba is almost exactly the same as we are due to pay for Goodwillie and Dann.

What a horrendous swap.

Not strictly true Philip. On this occasion I qualify as an itk'er. Dann's actual transfer fee was in the region of 2 million, the 7m figure includes his wages over the length of his contract.

The reason for the deception was to

a. Brum were in desperate straits financially and needed to get him off the wage bill after they were relegated. (not a dissimilar parallel to our current player cull).

b. do it without causing unecessary outrage amongst the bluenoses.

[Hughesy]

Good to see Samba confirm the £12m fee

The money we are getting for Samba is almost exactly the same as we are due to pay for Goodwillie and Dann.

What a horrendous swap.

You might have your calculations wrong on this one Phil.

Goodwillie £2m rising to £2.8m if he hits certain clauses... Dann £2m on drip

Samba best part of £10m after Hertha's 20% of £9.5m.

Dann's actual transfer fee was in the region of 2 million

Spot on

[Steve Moss]

My gut feeling is no but I keep reading people who suggest Venkys intentions were originally good.

My issue is that the pair of them have gone for more money than the club cost, that money will not be used to benefit the club and I'm not one in the loop that is having a slice of it.

Surely paying down debt, looked at in isolation, is a benefit to the club?

And while our defense has been gutted, we now have a goal scorer (Yakubu) and possibly a decent midfielder (Vukcevik- if Kean would ever play him).

So while there appears to be asset stripping going on in the form of selling our best players and a strange insistence on keeping Kean (words cannot express my contempt), there also appears to be an effort to get finances under control and getting in quality players (admittedly more often than not an unsuccessful effort). All in all, mixed signals.

[Daniel Louis Grabko (Dan)]

Not strictly true Philip. On this occasion I qualify as an itk'er. Dann's actual transfer fee was in the region of 2 million, the 7m figure includes his wages over the length of his contract.

The reason for the deception was to

a. Brum were in desperate straits financially and needed to get him off the wage bill after they were relegated. (not a dissimilar parallel to our current player cull).

b. do it without causing unecessary outrage amongst the bluenoses.

So how great would it have been to claim we got £20m for Samba then based on the same criteria? Would've been a great PR move

[Stuart]

Surely paying down debt, looked at in isolation, is a benefit to the club?

And while our defense has been gutted, we now have a goal scorer (Yakubu) and possibly a decent midfielder (Vukcevik- if Kean would ever play him).

So while there appears to be asset stripping going on in the form of selling our best players and a strange insistence on keeping Kean (words cannot express my contempt), there also appears to be an effort to get finances under control and getting in quality players (admittedly more often than not an unsuccessful effort). All in all, mixed signals.

Steve, you misquoted me there. The comment you've quoted is nothing to do with debt or any alleged asset stripping. It was about the Wigan match and manager.

[Steve Moss]

Steve, you misquoted me there. The comment you've quoted is nothing to do with debt or any alleged asset stripping. It was about the Wigan match and manager.

Sorry about that.

I thought I was setting up a compare/contrast, with Venkys (per some people) initially having good intentions in relation to the Rovers while others believe they are now engaged in asset stripping.

I actually believe Venkys' action are not so clear. Much of what they are doing seems financially prudent. Much of what they're doing is gutting the club and vastly increasing the risks of relegation which is itself a financial disaster. So I'm not sure where they are at or what they think they are doing.

I think if Venkys had brought in a competent, qualified manager (not Kean!) and done everything else exactly the same, the public view of Venkys would be more positive. If in the summer they had sold Samba and Jones and retired all debt, for example, I think I would have been supportive.

The fact Venkys haven't improved that portion of the squad which would derive the most benefit for the least effort (management), and seem content to dance at the edges of the relegation zone which, if it materializes, will result in the loss of tens of millions, is mystifying.

[Stuart]

I agree with that Steve.

Kean has been the a massive contributor towards virtually all of their problems on and off the field.

- The permanent signing of Kean raised a lot of eyebrows and questions.

- Their failure to admit their obvious mistake started protests.

- The failure to replace him at the end of last season was bewildering.

- The award of an improved contract galvanised protests and moved them to India.

- The continued backing during an awful first half season which saw us bottom at Christmas brought frustration and desperation and more protests

- The smug contradictory comments and patent disregards for any of the Rovers fans - from this apparently genuine, honest Joe, and all round great bloke - has infuriated

- One of the few things that has changed, in the endless cyclic discussions about how bobbins our manager is, is that they now probably couldn't replace him even if they wanted to - a situation which has been the final straw for a lot of fans who are now resigned to staying away.

- The fact that they no longer seem to care one way or the other about Kean or Rovers has brought about BRAG and talk of Investment Trusts.

- It appears Kean's salary is vastly more important to him than his pride or family (if he really does feel threatened) and I cannot see Venkys ever sacking him or him ever resigning.

- This just leaves the money drying up and the club being wound up - or a takeover. Not sure which is more likely.

...this post is my opinion and other posters have the right to hold an opposing view

...fire away

[roverandout]

i agree with everything you have said

[had.e.nuff]

Selling Samba must be Keans master stroke to improve the team.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4157202/Steve-Kean-says-Chris-Sambas-exit-is-good-for-Blackburn-Rovers.html