[Archived] BRFC v villa MARCH

[sentient]

Yup, you keep telling yourself that if it somehow makes you fell better...

Fans Forum member!? LOL you really make a case for that pathetic organisation. Well done for your efforts!

You lot really are just all about EGO.

You are pathetic. You have shown your true self.

The only one that has any honour is TomM, the rest of you are just interested in your own status. Not even caring about the club. As I said earlier PATHETIC.

[PAFELL]

Fans Forum member!? LOL you really make a case for that pathetic organisation. Well done for your efforts!

You lot really are just all about EGO.

You are pathetic. You have shown your true self.

The only one that has any honour is TomM, the rest of you are just interested in your own status. Not even caring about the club. As I said earlier PATHETIC.

If you really understood the FF remit. You will see they are doing what they are meant to do. First and foremost, they are not a protest group. Though I suppose as individuals, if they chose to protest, or not. It is personal choice. But as a group they deal with other issues. At least they are accepted by the club. I doubt BRAG or at the moment other groups can say the same.

[sentient]

If you really understood the FF remit. You will see they are doing what they are meant to do. First and foremost, they are not a protest group. Though I suppose as individuals, if they chose to protest, or not. It is personal choice. But as a group they deal with other issues. At least they are accepted by the club. I doubt BRAG or at the moment other groups can say the same.

you're PATHETIC! A fans forum whore! Who pays your wages?

[Tom]

I attended my first march today with a little trepidation it must be said as I probably unfairly had some misconceptions about them.

I have never been 100% convinced about the effectiveness of marches and the like but I felt I should show support of the guys who have unarguably put in a hell of a lot of effort.

What I saw was a group of fans worried and passionate about the club, I saw nothing to embarass me or the club (and I'm the type who finds a lot of chants and the like embarassing)

I just wish this whole political side of things didn't exist and we could all just be fans without being labelled either way (by my count I think I'm now a fence sitting, happy clapping, grovelling, trembling venky stooge)

[mark1875]

Can anyone confirm that the fans group BRAG had a meeting with the rovers board today? If so, what were the outcomes?

I can indeed confirm this did not happen and explain why

This week the goalposts were moved yet again by Mr Hunt, in his ultimatum of cancel the protests and we will give you your meeting. This is fine and as a group wanting communication together with transparency was something we were willing to take onboard.

However Mr Hunts insistence that this meeting would be a secret meeting, which could never be discussed with anyone, together with the threat that if it was spoken about, then future meetings would not happen was quite frankly a disgrace.

8 people going into a room to discuss issues whilst we see our club being ripped apart is fine but thousands of supporters across the world being kept in the dark and being ignored whilst this happens is ridiculous

Mr Hunt in his luxurious position, has a duty to supporters, not only 8 people but to many thousands of supporters. The BRFC Action Group took the decision not to enter into secret meetings which cannot be discussed with the wider fanbase as it is against our beliefs and everything we stand for.

We will continue in discussions with the club to seek OPEN communication for ALL supporters and will never put ourselves in a position where we have indeed held a meeting and remain unable to answer questions like this.

[OJRovers]

Well done then to the BRAG committee who refused the ridiculous secret meeting.

IMO the Board including Hunt are as guilty in this as Venkys/Kean purely for their attempts to cover up true fans opinion from the owners and media.

[arbitro]

I can indeed confirm this did not happen and explain why

This week the goalposts were moved yet again by Mr Hunt, in his ultimatum of cancel the protests and we will give you your meeting. This is fine and as a group wanting communication together with transparency was something we were willing to take onboard.

However Mr Hunts insistence that this meeting would be a secret meeting, which could never be discussed with anyone, together with the threat that if it was spoken about, then future meetings would not happen was quite frankly a disgrace.

8 people going into a room to discuss issues whilst we see our club being ripped apart is fine but thousands of supporters across the world being kept in the dark and being ignored whilst this happens is ridiculous

Mr Hunt in his luxurious position, has a duty to supporters, not only 8 people but to many thousands of supporters. The BRFC Action Group took the decision not to enter into secret meetings which cannot be discussed with the wider fanbase as it is against our beliefs and everything we stand for.

We will continue in discussions with the club to seek OPEN communication for ALL supporters and will never put ourselves in a position where we have indeed held a meeting and remain unable to answer questions like this.

You have to go to the press with this. The press might then start asking him questions that they should have been asking months ago..

[gumboots]

You have to go to the press with this. The press might then start asking him questions that they should have been asking months ago..

If the calls and conversations can be proved then I think you're right. No good going to the press if you just say, "He said this and wanted this" without evidence. the press generally have been reluctant to take it on generally and would probably need proof.

[AndyNeil]

Fans Forum member!? LOL you really make a case for that pathetic organisation. Well done for your efforts!

You lot really are just all about EGO.

You are pathetic. You have shown your true self.

The only one that has any honour is TomM, the rest of you are just interested in your own status. Not even caring about the club. As I said earlier PATHETIC.

Keyboard warrior strikes! Pretty handy behind the screen aren't you...

[Silittl]

We have the proof every committee member has a copy of the email trail.

The course of action being suggested needs careful consideration. As it could be counter productive in the short and long term. However it has been talked about a decision will be made in thd next couplets days.

[bestierover]

Fans Forum member!? LOL you really make a case for that pathetic organisation. Well done for your efforts!

You lot really are just all about EGO.

You are pathetic. You have shown your true self.

The only one that has any honour is TomM, the rest of you are just interested in your own status. Not even caring about the club. As I said earlier PATHETIC.

Somebody been at the ale?

[arbitro]

We have the proof every committee member has a copy of the email trail.

The course of action being suggested needs careful consideration. As it could be counter productive in the short and long term. However it has been talked about a decision will be made in thd next couplets days.

I'm not sure how it can be counter productive Simon. These people have to be exposed for what they are. It is clear that they want a gagging order on any meetings. I'm sure that the press would want to know why the need for secrecy.

[bestierover]

We have the proof every committee member has a copy of the email trail.

The course of action being suggested needs careful consideration. As it could be counter productive in the short and long term. However it has been talked about a decision will be made in thd next couplets days.

Be careful, those snipers can hit from some distance these days!

Joking aside, the club as it is have seemingly a grip on the spin and channels within the implementation thereof. Nonetheless, I cannot foresee a means by which they could spin this to their own favour, unless anger has gotten the better of someone.

[Roversider]

Some of the posts in here are why I won't stand alongside the protestors. I appreciate why people care so much that they protest but some, I stress some, are howling like hurt animals and abusing everyone who hasn't got the same exact views but are fellow fans.

It's time to realise that it is not a persuasive argument to attach the labels to other fans like the ones in the posts above. BRAG is begiinning to look like an appropriate acronym.

[Stuart]

Can I just say well done to the "BRAG8" who collectively turned down the meeting with the club.

If Mr Hunt did try to stop the protests with promise of a secret meeting then it goes to show that:

1) The protests are of concern to the club.

2) There are issues that Mr Hunt does not want in the public domain.

However, as I have posted recently, even though you have done the right thing, this does mean that you will not get the answers you seek.

I wonder how exactly he expected to ensure your silence? A gagging order? Just the threat of no further meetings? What would have been the consequence of publishing the conversation anyway? Possibly people would have called you disingenuous and found another angle to bash BRAG.

It might not have been the result you were looking for but you can hold your heads high from once again taking the moral high ground.

I would love Andy Cryer to ask the question why Paul Hunt refused anything but a confidential meeting with a small group of protesting fans. But I won't hold my breath.

[Beta Ray Bill]

Didn't Everton supporters group have a meeting with Kenwright that was meant to be confidential to discuss matters off the field, but someone broke the confidence and they've not been invited back since?

Considering the publishing of private conversations and emails by Rovers fans, and the incessant sniping of Group X against Group Y against Group Z, its not hugely surprising T&Cs were laid down by Hunt.

Although fair dos if BRAG don't feel they can agree to any T&Cs and would rather claim a moral highground than talk to the club under restrictions.

[Stuart]

There's not a great deal of point in a further 8 people being ITK, is there BRB?

If that was Mr Hunt's stance he really shouldn't have been surprised if his terms were refused. What can he say privately that he can't say publically, and why would he bother? Is it all about halting the protests?

Also odd that a meeting is arranged only for restrictions to be applied at the 11th hour. Someone's playing games.

[PLJPB]

It would seem that Paul Hunt knows who pays his wages and is fully behind the Venkys and Kean propaganda offensive against the fans.

[den]

Can I just say well done to the "BRAG8" who collectively turned down the meeting with the club.

Why - where has that got anyone?

I wonder how exactly he expected to ensure your silence? A gagging order? Just the threat of no further meetings? What would have been the consequence of publishing the conversation anyway?

Responsible people wouldn't do that.

It's obvious to me, that if BRAG - or any supporters group - want any meeting with Paul Hunt to be made public, then Hunt isn't going to say anything that doesn't do anything other than simply tow the party line. The only way you might get info from him that might help your cause, or give you a better insight into things at the club, is to go private with him. Depends what you want. Do you want to go into a meeting to "give him some home truths and a bit of stick" just to make you all feel better - or do you want to work with him?

[PAFELL]

Can I just say well done to the "BRAG8" who collectively turned down the meeting with the club.

If Mr Hunt did try to stop the protests with promise of a secret meeting then it goes to show that:

1) The protests are of concern to the club.

2) There are issues that Mr Hunt does not want in the public domain.

However, as I have posted recently, even though you have done the right thing, this does mean that you will not get the answers you seek.

I wonder how exactly he expected to ensure your silence? A gagging order? Just the threat of no further meetings? What would have been the consequence of publishing the conversation anyway? Possibly people would have called you disingenuous and found another angle to bash BRAG.

It might not have been the result you were looking for but you can hold your heads high from once again taking the moral high ground.

I would love Andy Cryer to ask the question why Paul Hunt refused anything but a confidential meeting with a small group of protesting fans. But I won't hold my breath.

Have not BRAG mentioned they wanted communication with the club. Yet they were offered a meeting, but turned it down.

[sentient]

Keyboard warrior strikes! Pretty handy behind the screen aren't you...

typical response from you. you going to send me threats to silence me or get your mate to mtake out an injuction?

PATHETIC

Somebody been at the ale?

I like a drink but my posting stands as true today as yesterday. some people really are PATHETIC nad even more an utter DISGRACE

[Roost]

How many attended the marches?

[mark1875]

Have not BRAG mentioned they wanted communication with the club. Yet they were offered a meeting, but turned it down.

open communication. not keeping other fans in the dark. that might be your style but its not mine.

[AndyNeil]

typical response from you. you going to send me threats to silence me or get your mate to mtake out an injuction?

PATHETIC

I like a drink but my posting stands as true today as yesterday. some people really are PATHETIC nad even more an utter DISGRACE

haha, yeah I'm always making threats to people and getting my mate (whoever that is) to take out injunctions...and you call me pathetic. I would repeat the offer made to you many times to come to a pre-meet and see for yourself if we are pathetic and a disgrace, but you probably won't and continue to slag us off with either little or no knowledge of the people on the forum.

[PAFELL]

open communication. not keeping other fans in the dark. that might be your style but its not mine.

They opened the door for dialogue. You had no idea what would have been said. For a first meeting you should have accepted. Then see what happened from there.