[Archived] Simon-Contractual issues

[philipl]

Andy Cryer twittered the following on Friday: The Vukcevic rumours are nonsense. He isn't playing because Kean thinks other players are better

Begs the question, why did he buy him?

..and since when did anyone believe Kean has started telling the truth???

[AspRover]

Super Simon Vuckevic the Montenegrin winger,

We're sure if he were on the pitch he'd go and score the winner,

He's the biggest talent that we have had in ages,

But he never gets a game 'cause we can't pay his wages

um diddle iddle iddle etc.

No?

Thought not.

[LeChuck]

Super Simon Vuckevic the Montenegrin winger,

We're sure if he were on the pitch he'd go and score the winner,

He's the biggest talent that we have had in ages,

But he never gets a game 'cause we can't pay his wages

um diddle iddle iddle etc.

No?

Thought not.

[Amo]

IF the guy can't even buy a solitary five minutes on the pitch, then sorry, there's something amiss. But if Kean says it's purely down to footballing reasons, then who are we to doubt him?

[Cocker]

This may have been mentioned somewhere else so apologies if I have missed it.

The People ran a story on Sunday saying that if Rochina plays any more games he is due a pay rise. An explanation as to where is has disappeared to lately?

Seems very much like Simon/Roberts/Salgardo situations to me and nothing to do with Footballing reasons.

Gutted if we lose Rochina because of this. Not really seen enough of Simon to worry to much though - - - which is a shame.

[LeChuck]

The People ran a story on Sunday saying that if Rochina plays any more games he is due a pay rise. An explanation as to where is has disappeared to lately?

Seems very much like Simon/Roberts/Salgardo situations to me and nothing to do with Footballing reasons.

I dunno...

I can fully understand if Rochina has been dropped for footballing reasons. He's been a complete liability in the last few games that he has played.

Until he learns when to pass and when to dribble then he's not any use to us really. He's got raw technical ability but mentally he's so far off that I'm almost fully considering him as a write-off now.

[Amo]

While I can agree with that point, Chuck, it's important to remember that Rochina was a costly signing, what with the agent fees and what have you. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some clauses in his contract that are preventing him from leaving the bench. Thus is the 'suspect everything' mentality of everything associated to our club these days thanks to Venky's & co.

[braddock]

He's not looked good enough yet. Could be given a run of games, but whilst we are in the mire I wouldn't risk him. Nor, incidentally, would I risk Rochina. Both have cost us goals in the past. The defence has started to improve of late, Manchester City aside, why play into the hands of those who say we can't defend by adding pressure to the scenario. I don't believe it's contractual. Unless there's some kind of clause that states if he plays over about 130 minutes you've got to give him a million.

Thus is the 'suspect everything' mentality of everything associated to our club these days thanks to Venky's & co.

It's more 24 hour football coverage (making the game somewhat ridiculous), internet messageboard hysteria from people with nothing better to do with their lives and lust for conspiracy.

[Amo]

He's not looked good enough yet. Could be given a run of games, but whilst we are in the mire I wouldn't risk him. Nor, incidentally, would I risk Rochina. Both have cost us goals in the past. The defence has started to improve of late, Manchester City aside, why play into the hands of those who say we can't defend by adding pressure to the scenario.

On that basis, Scott Dann wouldn't have made the team on Saturday.

I don't believe it's contractual. Unless there's some kind of clause that states if he plays over about 130 minutes you've got to give him a million.

I guess you've never heard of something called an 'appearance fee'?

Venky's are cutting costs wherever possible.

It's more 24 hour football coverage (making the game somewhat ridiculous), internet messageboard hysteria from people with nothing better to do with their lives and lust for conspiracy.

Oh right, I forget it's always the fans' fault. Nothing to do with the duplicity that has plagued the club since the owners took over? Gotcha.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I guess you've never heard of something called an 'appearance fee'?

You keep saying this. Do you have any actual knowledge that is the case why Simon isn't playing?

[braddock]

On that basis, Scott Dann wouldn't have made the team on Saturday.

I guess you've never heard of something called an 'appearance fee'?

Venky's are cutting costs wherever possible.

Oh right, I forget it's always the fans' fault. Nothing to do with the duplicity that has plagued the club since the owners took over? Gotcha.

OH NO EVERYBODY. TOPMAN HAS GOT ME!!!!

You don't pick the team for a reason.

Do you have any evidence of an appearance fee?

There is no great loss in not playing this guy. He's really not looked that much up to scratch and it's not the time to test the water with him.

It's partly the fans fault. Venky's know very little, Kean is learning on the job and doing surprisingly well (no matter how many jeers I get for saying that) but the fans have made things worse for the players and show no sign of seeing the errors of their ways.

[Sparky Marky]

Test the water with him. He's a proven international and with a decent manager he would be flourishing. Baldy has been too busy keeping wallies like Dunn happy in the months before christmas when he should have been easing vuckevic in.....incomptence.

[imy9]

You keep saying this. Do you have any actual knowledge that is the case why Simon isn't playing?

Cryer has confirmed that this untrue, but I guess its easier to believe the rumours...

I am still waiting for the big news that some ITK's have been talking about for a year, FA investigations etc, whats the old saying "even a broken clock is right twice a day"

[Amo]

Cryer has confirmed that this untrue, but I guess its easier to believe the rumours...

And Cryer gets his info from Kean, who we know is a compulsive liar. Just look at the Salgado, Roberts, Nelsen situations alone. You're right, though. There's clearly no ulterior motive for why our international winger can't even manage five minutes on the pitch. Especially with our world-class midfield.

[Stuart]

And Cryer gets his info from Kean, who we know is a compulsive liar. Just look at the Salgado, Roberts, Nelsen situations alone. You're right, though. There's clearly no ulterior motive for why our international winger can't even manage five minutes on the pitch. Especially with our world-class midfield.

Vukcevic is one of Kean's signings, so he either got it very wrong on the scouting front (again) and the lad is rubbish, or there is a non-footballing reason.

He does have previous on the awful scouting front, e.g. Bruno, but Simon is an international who ha impressed me whenever I've seen him play.

[imy9]

And Cryer gets his info from Kean, who we know is a compulsive liar. Just look at the Salgado, Roberts, Nelsen situations alone. You're right, though. There's clearly no ulterior motive for why our international winger can't even manage five minutes on the pitch. Especially with our world-class midfield.

You know this as fact that Cryer gets his information from Kean? So when Kean says Zenden is close to signing and Cryer says its not happening what's happening there?

Who would our international winger replace? The Norwegian international who takes all our set pieces? The Argentine who regardless of individual performance puts a shift in or our match winner Hoilett? As Cryer himself said maybe the guy is not that good, he also said that he could not see why he was bought.

[Amo]

You know this as fact that Cryer gets his information from Kean? So when Kean says Zenden is close to signing and Cryer says its not happening what's happening there?

He said that Kean doesn't rate him. So either he's making assumptions or he's inquired himself?

Even if it didn't come from Kean himself, would you trust anything coming out of Ewood concerning players and their 'availablity?' Why try to make out it's just crazy rumour-milling when the club has history with this.

Who would our international winger replace? The Norwegian international who takes all our set pieces? The Argentine who regardless of individual performance puts a shift in or our match winner Hoilett? As Cryer himself said maybe the guy is not that good, he also said that he could not see why he was bought.

How about that Swedish second division winger?

[imy9]

He said that Kean doesn't rate him. So either he's making assumptions or he's inquired himself?

Even if it didn't come from Kean himself, would you trust anything coming out of Ewood concerning players and their 'availablity?' Why try to make out it's just crazy rumour-milling when the club has history with this.

How about that Swedish second division winger?

I think this highlights that Kean is not buying the players the club are.

The info about players contracts came from other sources not the club so I would believe those sources as opposed to the club, which you are right has been unreliable.

I forgot about the Swedish second division player who has done enough in two games to suggest that he could be an excellent signing for Rovers, good Kean signing hey? Lol.

[Amo]

I forgot about the Swedish second division player who has done enough in two games to suggest that he could be an excellent signing for Rovers, good Kean signing hey? Lol.

Plenty of running but the jury's still out on his quality.

Vukcevic, on the other hand, is a proven international winger who not so long ago ran England ragged. Yet he can't even make a single sub appearance at Rovers. You don't find that the least bit suspect, imy? I'm not even suggesting he should be a starter here.

[donnermeat]

You know this as fact that Cryer gets his information from Kean? So when Kean says Zenden is close to signing and Cryer says its not happening what's happening there?

Who would our international winger replace? The Norwegian international who takes all our set pieces? The Argentine who regardless of individual performance puts a shift in or our match winner Hoilett? As Cryer himself said maybe the guy is not that good, he also said that he could not see why he was bought.

Have you seen our Norwegian international's set pieces this season? If those are the reason he's in the team then.....that's scary. (bar arsenal of course)

I'm siding with Topman on this one, no way he doesn't deserve at least an attempt to bring him in and integrate him into the team.

If it isn't contractual then it must be his attitude he seems to have had problems with that in the past.

[Pedro]

How about that Swedish second division winger?

Or Swedish international winger - depending on what spin you want to put on it.

I thought Simon looked slow and couldn't defend and I can't quite see why people are making such a fuss over someone who is just one of the many average players in the squad...mainly off the back of a half decent performance against a bland as toast England side. I hope he comes good but I won't lose any sleep if he doesn't.

[Roverthechimp]

Or Swedish international winger - depending on what spin you want to put on it.

I thought Simon looked slow and couldn't defend and I can't quite see why people are making such a fuss over someone who is just one of the many average players in the squad...mainly off the back of a half decent performance against a bland as toast England side. I hope he comes good but I won't lose any sleep if he doesn't.

Olsson played in the top division in Sweden and left after relegation (i realise this may not seem like an improvement but the club was in total disarray after a complete change in the boardroom january 2011. A Spanish coach and a number of loanees from Spain were brought in and eventually removed halfway through the season).

As for Simon: not impressed by what i have seen and suspect he will move on in the summer having played virtually no football for us. Probably better suited to the Spanish league based on the little i have seen.

[super_arran]

' Why try to make out it's just crazy rumour-milling when the club has history with this.

Because so does this messageboard

Anyway, IMO Simon doesn't play because he's slow, not that defensive and he's also rubbish on the counter attack.

Don't get me wrong, he's pretty skillful; but in a relegation scrap; skill isn't top of the list of attributes we need.

He's like a slow Rochina with a bit more composure.

[Amo]

Because so does this messageboard

That doesn't really say anything.

Several first-teamers frozen out already this year due to contractual disputes. Vukcevic unable to even buy himself a sub appearance, despite having more pedigree than several other first-teamers. Doesn't sit right to me.

[super_arran]

That doesn't really say anything.

Several first-teamers frozen out already this year due to contractual disputes. Vukcevic unable to even buy himself a sub appearance, despite having more pedigree than several other first-teamers. Doesn't sit right to me.

But the first teamers that were frozen out were on high wages and were way past their peak.

Nelsen was probably the only one I would of kept but was probably one of THE highest earners due to length of time he was here and his status at the club.

It's pretty clear Venkys were cutting costs and old high earners who were way past their best were the main "victims" of this.

I can't see Simon being on mega bucks.