[Archived] Afghanistan

[BiggusLaddus]

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

[broadsword]

Either bush looked the other way in the lead-up to this event or he is utterly retarded

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Either bush looked the other way in the lead-up to this event or he is utterly retarded

Could be both.

[Guest Norbert]

And 19 Arabs with boxcutters fooling the most advanced air defence system in the world isn't, I suppose?

You're right, the space lizards neutralised the defences of the whole system with mind waves. I'm sorry but the truth is that the bigger a conspiracy is, and the more people that are in on it, the greater the danger of it being exposed and stopped. Only a handful of MPs actively colluded to depose Thatcher and many military coups only involve key generals and suchlike, and not the entire officer class.

And any defence system is only as strong as it's weakest link. This may sound crazy, outlandish and all that but perhaps the defences and the people who operate them were complacent and lazy.

[Amo]

You're right, the space lizards neutralised the defences of the whole system with mind waves.

Is that pathetic strawman really your best rebuttal?

Do you have an open-mind and consider all angles, or do you only question what contradicts your stringent beliefs?

I'm sorry but the truth is that the bigger a conspiracy is, and the more people that are in on it, the greater the danger of it being exposed and stopped. Only a handful of MPs actively colluded to depose Thatcher and many military coups only involve key generals and suchlike, and not the entire officer class.

Not necessarily. All it takes to carry out this kind of operation is those in key positions. Everyone else are just pawns being moved across the board without knowing it.

And any defence system is only as strong as it's weakest link. This may sound crazy, outlandish and all that but perhaps the defences and the people who operate them were complacent and lazy.

So what brought down WTC 7, then? A small fire caused the entire building to collapse into its own footprint? The official narrative wants us to believe the Twin Towers pancaked because of the burning hot jet fuel. Well that wasn't the case with WTC 7, so why did it collapse like a demo job?

[Amo]

http://youtu.be/7OE3Adu4l0g

[Stuart]

That "Ba-boom" guy wears a tin-foil hat on the weekends. You can just tell.

Isn't it possible that skyscrapers are built with a 'pull mechanism' ready to go, and it was just a case of an opportunistic move to claim on the insurance by arranging for a quick job to be carried out? Insensitive, arrogant, greedy, certainly but 'in on it' (whatever 'it' is)? I'm not sure.

[perthblue02]

Biggest question regarding that day is why they choose to remember it on the 9th of November

Amarillo watched a documentary last year with independent metalogists (?) running tests on pieces from that building once they eventually tracked the scrap down, worth a watch if you can find it, unfortunately can't remember what it was called.

From a British perspective the trade centre bombings certainly helped with one of our problems, the day America decided terrorism was not a good thing one of the IRA's major consistent funding sources dried up and they had no option to decide talks was the way forward.

[Steve Moss]

So what brought down WTC 7, then? A small fire caused the entire building to collapse into its own footprint? The official narrative wants us to believe the Twin Towers pancaked because of the burning hot jet fuel. Well that wasn't the case with WTC 7, so why did it collapse like a demo job?

"The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

I personally doubt conspiracy theories which think the USA government is some sort of mastermind. Considering its utter incompetence in so many areas, I don't think its the Machiavellian entity some think it is. It's more likely equivalent is a retarded, drunken cousin whom everyone is nice too as he has a lot of money and not much common sense.

[Mike E]

Given the US's track-record in being found out in terms of deceiving it's citizens, I think more prominent figures would have tried backing the conspiracies.

[Steve Moss]

The government cannot keep secrets and does not demonstrate either high levels of competence or courage. So why do you think they're engaged in endless conspiracy theories?

If you want competence and risk taking behaviors, look to the private sector. When you spin your next USA conspiracy fantasy for friends and family, make the villains of the piece a corporate conglomerate of some sort. It's far more saleable.

[Amo]

"The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse."[/size]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

WTC7 was never tested for explosive residue, and none of the steel was preserved for experimentation, so how can they say with certainty that a localized fire caused the complete structural failure of a skyscraper?

This also fails to account for buildings like WTC 5, which were also hit by debris from the Twin Towers and continued burning for hours on end without ever collapsing into its own footprint like WTC 7.

I personally doubt conspiracy theories which think the USA government is some sort of mastermind. Considering its utter incompetence in so many areas, I don't think its the Machiavellian entity some think it is. It's more likely equivalent is a retarded, drunken cousin whom everyone is nice too as he has a lot of money and not much common sense.

By no means is the US mastermind when there's so many glaring contradictions and unanswered questions relating to events that day. There's no cast-iron proof of a conspiracy, but then there's no cast-iron proof that it was all orchestrated by a bunch of Arabs with boxcutters and some basic pilot training, who managed to hit 75% of their targets. That's just the party line we're fed and we slurp it up without even scratching at the surface. You're also bordering on argument from incredulity here. Not believing the US is capable of such a cover-up doesn't necessarily make that the case.

[Amo]

Why the need for a commission when Joe Sixpack here knew it was due to structural failure moments after it collapsed?

[Jeru tha Damaja]

I can see arms companies making money, and of course the oil companies, but the wars have plunged the country into a spiral of debt, which has meant the USA are a shadow of their former self. Iraq was all about the oil, Afghanistan was about Bin Laden, with the possibility of an oil pipeline from other central Asian tyrannies, but 9/11 was most likely if not absolutely certain to be the work of a bunch of Saudi loons.

You've missed the point. Who is the US government in debt to?

The popular belief is that China is profiting massively from American national debt, but they own approximately 10% of the total. Japan actually owns nearly as much in US government securities as China, but nobody mentions that.

56% of the $12 trillion debt is owned by American institutions. Private bankers have made a fortune lending money to the federal government, who have spent it on consumption rather than capital investments. All this means that the banks continue to receive public funding when their gambles don't work out, whilst in the general public concepts that used to be regarded as fundamentally American, like individual privacy and social mobility, are dying.

[Steve Moss]

56% of the $12 trillion debt is owned by American institutions. Private bankers have made a fortune lending money to the federal government, who have spent it on consumption rather than capital investments. All this means that the banks continue to receive public funding when their gambles don't work out, whilst in the general public concepts that used to be regarded as fundamentally American, like individual privacy and social mobility, are dying.

The USA federal debt is actually $17.1 trillion.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

And while I don't believe in "Illuminati", I believe Jeru, for once, has hit a nail on the head. Most federal policies help banks and Wall Street, not Main Street. Which makes sense, as they're in the business of making money and politicians are in the business of selling their votes to get money to re-elected.

Here's an article about a recent Federal Reserve employee (now professor) apologizing for quantitative easing (i.e. printing money)- http://www.cnbc.com/id/101192690

I would be interested in learning if the statement is true that .2% of banks control 70% of USA banking assets.

[Steve Moss]

By no means is the US mastermind when there's so many glaring contradictions and unanswered questions relating to events that day. There's no cast-iron proof of a conspiracy, but then there's no cast-iron proof that it was all orchestrated by a bunch of Arabs with boxcutters and some basic pilot training, who managed to hit 75% of their targets. That's just the party line we're fed and we slurp it up without even scratching at the surface. You're also bordering on argument from incredulity here. Not believing the US is capable of such a cover-up doesn't necessarily make that the case.

For the real truth, watch this video starting around the 17:30 mark- http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e09-mystery-of-the-urinal-deuce

[elurgyexecyZI]

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