[Archived] Season Tickets 2012/13

[Tom]

No need for all this name calling - on both sides.

Agreed, on both sides I've seen a fair amount of this holier than though attitude and it's just pointless.

As I said I haven't renewed, but still may do so eventually and wouldn't criticise any decision a person makes over it

[Tom10K]

Yet people have been having meetings with shebby singh - other meetings planned - because they believe it may be possible that he has the power to remove Kean.

Some people will renew not just because they support the team. But for the simple reason of liking the seat they currently have. They know they would lose it if they do not renew. Others will renew because they know better seats will be available. In otherwords they will take advantage of the situation. this is human nature.

Many reasons why somebody still wants to continue atttending ewood park.

It does not mean a person who renews likes either kean or venkys.

I will still travel up to matches, when able to do so, from sussex.

I think you miss my point I have renewed my seat probably as you say because I fear losing it, or can't bring myself to stop going. The reason for my post was really to understand how someone can still feel vocal support is the best way forward. In some ways I'm quite envious and jealous that someone can still feel that matchday buzz that I've had in previous years.

Over Pre-Season I have travelled around the North West alone to watch Rovers, my friends and family are no longer interested. It doesn't make any sense, I'm sick of hearing the chant "Kean Out" but will it stop while he still stands on the side of the pitch? My biggest memory of last season isn't the chicken on the pitch or even the relegation but an outrageous Carling Cup match at Cardiff. Prior to that match I'd been pretty undecided on the manager and the owners, I left the ground furious convinced that the manager would be replaced immediately. Of course on return to Lancashire in the early hours of the morning we hear the thrilling news on the radio that Kean forfeited the match, thanks for your support. I could go on and on but nothing has changed nine months down the line. Is it any wonder that fans aren't renewing?

Yes I'm thrilled to see Shebby here, a man who has believed Kean should be sacked longer than me, longer than the action group and made his views known in newspapers and on television. If he has the power he should use it as quickly as possible to at least limit the damage. Hearing Paul Agnew say on the radio that he can't put his finger on what is stopping fans from renewing is ludicrous. Its been written on banners, newspapers and even from a plane "Kean Out" the smallest of concessions to an angry and disillusioned fanbase and it hasn't been done.

[Mercer]

If you look online at available tickets for the Hull home match, you will see vast swathes of available seats, even in the BBE.

A quick visible look suggests, IMO, that even 8,500 maybe a touch on the high side.

Very sad, 19,000 to 8,000ish in 2 seasons. Hang your heads in shame Venky's, Kean, Agnew et al.

[bradeagle]

Thats the annoying thing. Avoiding to address the point. Aggers cant be that deluded he doesnt know the bad feeling towards kean has resulted in the 8-9k drop in st sales.

That and that only? Cant put your finger on that can you?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Exactly right, why are people concerned about what other fans think?

Other fans won’t save the club from going bust

Other fans won’t stop us from going down

Other fans won’t pick up the pieces once these idiots have left town

100% correct.

[PAFELL]

Aye, because Ipswich, Rochdale fans and so on have never shouted '.... Out'.

When I speak to other fans it's usually 'how the feck is that guy still there? What's he got on the owners?'.

Ispwich fans cannot say anything against other teams protesting about things. When they came to brighton last season, they had a huge protest banner about money and football. This directed at Brightons version of JW (Tony Bloom). A fan who put his money into the club he supported.

They're not boycotting anything. They are refusing to support the owners either financially or by their attendance.

But it is not just the owners and the manager they are having ago at.

It is the players and all other staff who work at ewood park. It appears some people are happy for the club to go bust. Most of the money that comes into the club is spent on keeping the club going.

They're not boycotting anything. They are refusing to support the owners either financially or by their attendance.

The owners are not the club. They just currently own it. Feel sure folk want the club to be around, once venkys have gone. Boycotting kills the club only, not thw owners.

[den]

But it is not just the owners and the manager they are having ago at.

It is the players and all other staff who work at ewood park. It appears some people are happy for the club to go bust.

"It appears some people are happy for the club to go bust."

Are you real Pafell? I wonder sometimes. The whole reason that maybe as many as 8000 fans wont go to Ewood at the moment is because they are saying "if the owners are going to continue the destruction of the club, then I wont be there to support it in any way. If they destroy BRFC and take it into Administration, then they do it on their own. They wont do it with me stood there watching it and applauding".

As for the jobs of the people working at Ewood Park, the biggest threat to those is relegation, which the Raos have lead us into with eyes wide open. They could also protect those jobs by sacking Kean, which would see a few thousand more fans on the ground. People's jobs hasn't been any sort of priority for them and they can do far more to protect them than the fans can. I fear that everyone will lose their jobs if this lot carry on as they are.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

But it is not just the owners and the manager they are having ago at.

It is the players and all other staff who work at ewood park. It appears some people are happy for the club to go bust. Most of the money that comes into the club is spent on keeping the club going.

The owners are not the club. They just currently own it. Feel sure folk want the club to be around, once venkys have gone. Boycotting kills the club only, not thw owners.

Maybe this is my lack of knowledge on the subject, but how do Venkys get out of covering the revenue gap left by the boycotters? Take out another loan? I can't imagine increasing the club debt and so reducing its value and profit-margin is an appetising option for any business owner.

Seems to me more likely that they'd fund it from their own coffers or from player sales. And as what they've done so far is pocket the money from player sales, that amounts to them losing the same amount either way. So I think it damages the club and the owners. And the argument of the boycotters is the owners will damage the club every year they stay in charge regardless, so what is there to lose?

[Tom10K]

"It appears some people are happy for the club to go bust."

Are you real Pafell? I wonder sometimes. The whole reason that maybe as many as 8000 fans wont go to Ewood at the moment is because they are saying "if the owners are going to continue the destruction of the club, then I wont be there to support it in any way. If they destroy BRFC and take it into Administration, then they do it on their own. They wont do it with me stood there watching it and applauding".

As for the jobs of the people working at Ewood Park, the biggest threat to those is relegation, which the Raos have lead us into with eyes wide open. They could also protect those jobs by sacking Kean, which would see a few thousand more fans on the ground. People's jobs hasn't been any sort of priority for them and they can do far more to protect them than the fans can. I fear that everyone will lose their jobs if this lot carry on as they are.

Reading all of this made me think about Wimbledon and their controversial move to Milton Keynes, it is all pretty sad that an article like...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/championship/3032516/Wimbledon-running-on-empty.html

now seems ever so similar to this very thread. Hopefully the club doesn't find itself in that situation but at the moment its pretty frightening.

I'd love to see the owners make some logical decisions and win the fans back, but it looks like we are starting this season exactly how we finished the last.

[Athlete]

yes starting carrying on were they left off with club further screwed up........

[den]

Reading all of this made me think about Wimbledon and their controversial move to Milton Keynes, it is all pretty sad that an article like...

http://www.telegraph...g-on-empty.html

now seems ever so similar to this very thread. Hopefully the club doesn't find itself in that situation but at the moment its pretty frightening.

I'd love to see the owners make some logical decisions and win the fans back, but it looks like we are starting this season exactly how we finished the last.

It does no good me or anyone else posting these views really. All it does is cause rifts and arguments. It also comes across as agression to the fans who will still be going down to Ewood. That couldn't be further from the truth, - speaking for myself, and I can only do that, in a way I envy the fans who can go down there and enjoy their football. I didn't enjoy watching four sides of Ewood showing their hatred of Steve Kean, I don't enjoy watching the clubs fortunes needlessly fail and I didn't enjoy watching the club fall into such a dangerous position.

Am I saying I wont go down to Ewood? well at the moment I don't intend renewing, but who knows what the future holds? Hopefully things will change - and change soon, whereby the enjoyment of going to Ewood will reappear.

Oh, and maybe surprisingly, the one thing above anything else that I didn't enjoy was watching the stewards, on the clubs orders, confronting the fans in the Darwen end who dared to hold up a "Kean out" banner. To me, that was the outstanding symbol of how these owners work.

[Rover_Shaun]

Those criticising the decision to renew tickets this season are at least 12 months too late. It was blatantly obvious to anyone with a modicum of footballing knowledge after 8-10 games of his FIRST season that Kean was totally out of his depth and should never have been recruited, but still thousands supported the 'VenKean evil regime' all last season with their hard earnt, instead of cancelling tickets.

Well I for one renewed last season with my eyes fully wide open and knew it would be disastrous from the word go with Kean at the helm. Nothing has now changed apart from the division we play in and further continued downsizing of all related to the club. I refused to buy from the concourse or the club shop all last season as my own relatively early private protest.

Those now renewing this year should be free to do so without any negative comments at anytime, as the majority of those currently criticising supported VenKean fully last year with fianances, believing the spin it would be better, contrary to the blatant evidence available in front of them. They would be best served admitting they were a bit slow catching on this time last season, as opposed to beating the drums now trying to get everyone to follow sheep like.

On a wider topic it would be very pleasing for all our fans to be fully united again. The recruitment of Ince split the fans, as did the recruitment of Allardyce, as did the change in ownership and the recruitment of Kean. Bitching about people who have renewed season tickets is further evidence of the lasting damage being done to the club and its fans as the owners divide and conquer strategy throughout the club continues unaddressed.

For me, we are all true Rovers fans whether you roll up on Saturday's or not. There have been times in my life I have been unable to go to matches, but loved the club just the same. There have been times when I have seen us home and away and missed only odd matches all season, but loved the club just the same.

We are all very good fans, time to show some lasting respect to fellow fans whether you get down to Bolton Road on a Saturday, or not.

Yet you continue to roll out the same sheep dig at every available opportunity

Practice what you preach

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I didn't enjoy watching four sides of Ewood showing their hatred of Steve Kean, I don't enjoy watching the clubs fortunes needlessly fail and I didn't enjoy watching the club fall into such a dangerous position.

The atmosphere for most of last season was poisonous and horrible,the sight of grown men nearly coming to blows..it was nothing I had experienced before amongst our own fans at Ewood.I felt depressed most of the time walking away from the ground.

The 'Ewood experience' was rank sh!t.

Well I've gone and done it,booked my ticket for the Hull game online this morning (more fool me ) ....the swaths of empty seating even in the B/burn End tells its own sad story.

[cletus]

Option 3 for me - Renew & support your team 100%, dont give Kean any recognition and just hope that sometime soon he goes. He wont stop me supporting the team, simple as.

Maybe you should change your username to Nero & learn to play the violin?

[onlyonejackwalker]

Yet you continue to roll out the same sheep dig at every available opportunity

Practice what you preach

Baaaaaaaaaaa!

Said by someone who was all little boy trembly and excited when the Venky's took over, Allardyce was removed and Kean was installed. The fact you appear to be one of their fiercest critics now and will never return to Ewood while they are in charge, does not mean I have forgotten all the nonsense you spouted back then.

But fair enough, I don't feel those not renewing should be criticised and my comment was aimed at those not renewing, but criticising those that do.

[EWOODACE1]

Baaaaaaaaaaa!

Said by someone who was all little boy trembly and excited when the Venky's took over, Allardyce was removed and Kean was installed. The fact you appear to be one of their fiercest critics now and will never return to Ewood while they are in charge, does not mean I have forgotten all the nonsense you spouted back then.

But fair enough, I don't feel those not renewing should be criticised and my comment was aimed at those not renewing, but criticising those that do.

Nothing wrong with getting excited at the time. People presumed venkys had a plan and with the crap that niko was coming out with it seemed they did and wanted to move the club forward.

This message board has become so petty over the last year and a half. Things have happened that no one could have been that sure of ( obviously some will say I said it from day 1 ) but nobody knew for fact. If people were excited at first then why hold that against them. Same with renewing or buying merchandise. People will do whatever they want and I believe it is pathetic to call them for it.

All I say is fair play to the people who have stuck to their guns and not renewed and for anyone who has I hope it goes well and things change

[broadsword]

Nothing wrong with getting excited at the time. People presumed venkys had a plan and with the crap that niko was coming out with it seemed they did and wanted to move the club forward.

This message board has become so petty over the last year and a half. Things have happened that no one could have been that sure of ( obviously some will say I said it from day 1 ) but nobody knew for fact. If people were excited at first then why hold that against them. Same with renewing or buying merchandise. People will do whatever they want and I believe it is pathetic to call them for it.

All I say is fair play to the people who have stuck to their guns and not renewed and for anyone who has I hope it goes well and things change

the whole takeover always looked dodgy to me, right from the start.

Why would a bunch of indian chicken farmers be interested in taking over Blackburn Rovers? Although some people like roversmum were happy to drink the Venky's kool-aid and say that they had enough money to fulfill a fan's every dream, those of us with more critical faculties were wary that they had enough money to sink into the club, and saw the reassurances of Mrs. Desai as being empty cliches. Others such as Hughesy worked themselves into a lather dreaming of car parks and casinos being built.

Going down to Ewood won't change anything. We have a clueless manager, inept administration, an unbalanced squad filled out with no-hopers and the stench of neglectful owners hanging over the place. Going down and cheering them on won't cancel out the destruction that's been wreaked on the club over the last 18 months. We'll carry on tumbling regardless.

[EWOODACE1]

Exactly. It looked or seemed dodgy to some but no one knew what was going to happen. But two years on do we still need the constant bickering about the same topic. Some people will renew and others won't. It is that simple. Some got excited about a new chapter and others were wary.

Our fans are now so divided that all we seem to do is argue with one another and it is pointless.

[EWOODACE1]

And I agree cheering them on this season won't change anything and the last couple of years have been awful but it doesn't give anyone the right to criticise anyone for wanting to keep going or staying away.

Things will change, it has to but it could be for better or worse and I hope it is for the better.

I have renewed and I don't know what I'm hoping for and I was adamant that I wouldn't be renewing until the deadline but going to ewood is something I have done since being a kid and I wasn't going to let the bar steward of a manager or owners stop me from doing it again. I will probably leave the ground wondering why I renewed a lot of times this coming season but I'm glad I have

[Mike Graham]

It does no good me or anyone else posting these views really. All it does is cause rifts and arguments. It also comes across as agression to the fans who will still be going down to Ewood. That couldn't be further from the truth, - speaking for myself, and I can only do that, in a way I envy the fans who can go down there and enjoy their football. I didn't enjoy watching four sides of Ewood showing their hatred of Steve Kean, I don't enjoy watching the clubs fortunes needlessly fail and I didn't enjoy watching the club fall into such a dangerous position.

Am I saying I wont go down to Ewood? well at the moment I don't intend renewing, but who knows what the future holds? Hopefully things will change - and change soon, whereby the enjoyment of going to Ewood will reappear.

Oh, and maybe surprisingly, the one thing above anything else that I didn't enjoy was watching the stewards, on the clubs orders, confronting the fans in the Darwen end who dared to hold up a "Kean out" banner. To me, that was the outstanding symbol of how these owners work.

Den, an excellent post +100

[Mattyblue]

I got dogs abuse on here when I asked 'where is the money going to come from? They are a barely profitable Indian chicken company'

'Stop being negative FFS, they are in to all sorts, 500 subsidary companies yada yada'

[PAFELL]

"It appears some people are happy for the club to go bust."

Are you real Pafell? I wonder sometimes. The whole reason that maybe as many as 8000 fans wont go to Ewood at the moment is because they are saying "if the owners are going to continue the destruction of the club, then I wont be there to support it in any way. If they destroy BRFC and take it into Administration, then they do it on their own. They wont do it with me stood there watching it and applauding".

As for the jobs of the people working at Ewood Park, the biggest threat to those is relegation, which the Raos have lead us into with eyes wide open. They could also protect those jobs by sacking Kean, which would see a few thousand more fans on the ground. People's jobs hasn't been any sort of priority for them and they can do far more to protect them than the fans can. I fear that everyone will lose their jobs if this lot carry on as they are.

Putting aside the subjects of getting rid of JW etc etc. Allowing themselves to be dictated to by an agent, appointing Kean as manager were huge mistakes. Which made relegation a certainty. Keeping kean as manager is the main mistake now.

But the club is out of debt - IF what we are being told is correct. Which, if true, is a good thing. Not many other clubs can say that. So administration not likely if the club is not in debt.

Something has changed - slightly - this close season. Not just Shebby Singh coming in. Some decent sighnings, which were done fast in comparrison to previous transfer windows.

I do agree that keeping Kean at the club is the most mystifiying of all decisions. There is just no business or football sence at all for keeping him.

I wonder though, if Kean was sacked, would folk renew season tickets.

[47er]

If the club is out of debt now (and it's a big IF) will it be back in debt by or before the end of this season? What then?

[PAFELL]

It does no good me or anyone else posting these views really. All it does is cause rifts and arguments. It also comes across as agression to the fans who will still be going down to Ewood. That couldn't be further from the truth, - speaking for myself, and I can only do that, in a way I envy the fans who can go down there and enjoy their football. I didn't enjoy watching four sides of Ewood showing their hatred of Steve Kean, I don't enjoy watching the clubs fortunes needlessly fail and I didn't enjoy watching the club fall into such a dangerous position.

Am I saying I wont go down to Ewood? well at the moment I don't intend renewing, but who knows what the future holds? Hopefully things will change - and change soon, whereby the enjoyment of going to Ewood will reappear.

Oh, and maybe surprisingly, the one thing above anything else that I didn't enjoy was watching the stewards, on the clubs orders, confronting the fans in the Darwen end who dared to hold up a "Kean out" banner. To me, that was the outstanding symbol of how these owners work.

I do not think there is anything wrong in debating this. What is wrong is the abuse / slating in anyway, given from anyone who differs with opinions of others. It is the abuse etc that causes the rifts. A person should be able to give their opinion, comment without fear of a backlash from others.

[den]

But the club is out of debt - IF what we are being told is correct. Which, if true, is a good thing. Not many other clubs can say that. So administration not likely if the club is not in debt.

We don't know about the debt Pafell, but if Kean's kept on and we don't get back up - which is 90% probable, the parachute payments run out and there's little sponsorship, little TV money and gates fall even further, where's the money coming from to keep the club afloat? We've been there before and we could be back there again.