[Archived] Season Tickets 2012/13

[OJRovers]

How do you switch off a passion?? How do you switch off raw emotion??

Ah right, so the people not renewing have switched off their passion?

Your passion must be switched off to turn a blind eye to the destruction of the club and allow yourself to show support to Kean/Venkys by going.

I'd argue that they were the more passionate ones who can't stand to see the club treated like this, and are passionate enough to make a stand against it.

Whilst the Rovers Fans keep on clapping.

[Rover_Shaun]

I'd go as far as to say if you renew YOU ARE A MUG*

*hides for cover with his tongue firmly in his cheek

[thenonda]

Typical armchair mentality – you don’t get it, it’s that simple.....Some of your lines above show that....

How do you switch off a passion?? How do you switch off raw emotion??

Hughesy, It isn't about "switching" it off it's about it being kicked out of me. I am giving up my season ticket and my 100 club membership because of what has happened at our club.

Personally I cannot morally give money to support Steve Kean. He second he goes I am back.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to the renew/non renew debate.

What we need to do is stop having a go at each other...

[UbuRoi]

How do you switch off a passion??

Stare at a photo of Michael Gove.

[thenodrog]

3rd point - like I said in my post, people have different levels of what they can take....for others they will take it all - until they die, they feel that strongly.

Like I said pal its too difficult to get across everything you feel about the club and why you wont give it up, just trying to get through to a few non season ticket holders, just how hard that is.

I along with another 3000 or so saw through the Slumdog regime and saw the writing on the wall last summer and didn't renew. It seems many thousands have caught on this summer and are refusing to buy St's too. It's obviously going to take you a little longer but you will get there I can guarantee it.

Rem every ST bought represents a vote of confidence in their handling of the club.

[beatrix]

Do not let the raokeans drive you out of your football club, do not let them have it their way.

Renewing or not renewing is a personal choice and always will be, nobody should criticise other fans either way.

We have been pummelled for over 18 months now do not let them win by deserting BRFC. Get to the ground and express your feelings

any way you can it is your right, if you want to protest do so , give them as much stick as possible, sitting at home ignoring

what is going on is playing right into their hands, they dont want opposition.

When we do see the back of the raokeans we will have to pick ourselves up and start again no matter what division we are in.

We have a proud history behind us going back 137 years, founder members of the football league, premiere league, FA cup winners

Premiere league winners , league cup winners, full members cup winners etc, dont let the raokeans close that down without a fight.

In this coming season the club needs you more than ever because we are in serious trouble, dont chicken out and walk away, get

behind BRFC and the team on the pitch they are probably going to be young lads who will need support.

ROVERS TILL I DIE.

[thenodrog]

You don't switch it off, it gets beaten out of you.

I've had to move South for a job, which made the decision to not renew after ten years easier. That said I had stopped going to matches last year, despite forking out for a season ticket. The passion had gone - probably because I don't identify Blackburn Rovers as my club anymore. It's certainly not the club I supported for so long.

Once these owners are gone I'm sure I'll be back. Until then it's simply not going to happen.

I'm not sure you will ER. It's like any habit/addiction. Give up and first and it's as hard as hell but given time you wonder why you ever bothered. Keeping the supporters onside even in bad times is an unwritten rule of football club ownership, Walker knew that, Williams knew that this lot must know it too but for some reason they simply don't care. It's clear to all that we do not figure in their plans.

[dinglebasher]

Rem every ST bought represents a vote of confidence in their handling of the club.

Does it? Could it not represent somebody who doesn't want to deprive their young son or daughter of experiencing live sport? Could it not represent somebody just wanting to watch a game of football, without the intense fervour of being a die-hard supporter? Could it not represent someone wanting to vent their anger at Kean / Venky's in person?

Unfortunately this situation isn't black and white, no matter what ludicrous blanket assertions are made. There's no evidence that those who have renewed their tickets feel any less angry or upset than those who choose not to.

These ridiculous statements just serve to intimidate people and divide the fans, which is only going to make it harder to achieve what everybody wants, to get rid of Kean and Venky's and have a successful team again.

[dinglebasher]

Rem every ST bought represents a vote of confidence in their handling of the club.

Does it? Could it not represent somebody who doesn't want to deprive their young son or daughter of experiencing live sport? Could it not represent somebody just wanting to watch a game of football, without the intense fervour of being a die-hard supporter? Could it not represent someone wanting to vent their anger at Kean / Venky's in person?

Unfortunately this situation isn't black and white, no matter what ludicrous blanket assertions are made. There's no evidence that those who have renewed their tickets feel any less angry or upset than those who choose not to.

These ridiculous statements just serve to intimidate people and divide the fans, which is only going to make it harder to achieve what everybody wants, to get rid of Kean and Venky's and have a successful team again.

[Stuart]

Ah right, so the people not renewing have switched off their passion?

Your passion must be switched off to turn a blind eye to the destruction of the club and allow yourself to show support to Kean/Venkys by going.

I'd argue that they were the more passionate ones who can't stand to see the club treated like this, and are passionate enough to make a stand against it.

Whilst the Rovers Fans keep on clapping.

If that were true, the thousands of non-renewers would have joined in the protests marches, which then couldn't have been dismissed as "1% of the fans", or seen as an minority protest my a small group of individuals.

Hughseys post could be read as non-renewers don't have passion for Rovers - which isn't true across the board - but on the face of it, a protest by non-renewing is not only much lazier than marching but is a lot easier to "join in".

I know people, close friends included, who are very cut up aboutt not renewing but why did they not do something sooner? It's all bit like crying over spilt milk now.

[thenodrog]

Do not let the raokeans drive you out of your football club, do not let them have it their way.

Renewing or not renewing is a personal choice and always will be, nobody should criticise other fans either way.

We have been pummelled for over 18 months now do not let them win by deserting BRFC. Get to the ground and express your feelings

But how can they win??? I've been scratching my head for over a year now in trying to second guess their intentions but I still cannot figure out what they are going to win by taking the club down to oblivion. Unless there is oil under Ewood Park I'm baffled.

[den]

If that were true, the thousands of non-renewers would have joined in the protests marches, which then couldn't have been dismissed as "1% of the fans", or seen as an minority protest my a small group of individuals.

Hughseys post could be read as non-renewers don't have passion for Rovers - which isn't true across the board - but on the face of it, a protest by non-renewing is not only much lazier than marching but is a lot easier to "join in".

I know people, close friends included, who are very cut up aboutt not renewing but why did they not do something sooner? It's all bit like crying over spilt milk now.

That's not right Stuart.

Many of those not renewing didn't take part in marches, but certainly demonstrated in their thousands within the ground.

[Stuart]

I'm not sure you will ER. It's like any habit/addiction. Give up and first and it's as hard as hell but given time you wonder why you ever bothered. Keeping the supporters onside even in bad times is an unwritten rule of football club ownership, Walker knew that, Williams knew that this lot must know it too but for some reason they simply don't care. It's clear to all that we do not figure in their plans.

So you are saying people should just give up completely? Quit now because of Venkys but then don't come back even once they are gone?

What end game do you have in mind here Gordon? Seems a little like you want to chuck the baby out with the bath water.

[Stuart]

That's not right Stuart.

Many of those not renewing didn't take part in marches, but certainly demonstrated in their thousands within the ground.

Really? I thought they were organic reactions, borne out of frustration.

Plus that only happened (in the thousands) once it was too late. By the end we were seen as a whinging by the media. Masochistically enough, I watched the full game v Wigan again last week before finally deleting our final ever home PL game from the planner. The commentators were giving the fans some right old stick, blaming the fans and the atmosphere in the ground as causing our defeats and ultimate relegation. A massive contingent for the protest march pre-Arsenal would have set a different tone.

It's all too late now. Which is why I cannot understand Rovers fans continuing to have a pop at renewers for going to games.

People can scream and cry all they like about this not being our club any more but it bloody well still is. Even if we don't like it. Just ask supporters of Luton Town, Leeds United, Portsmouth, Darlington, etc.

[thenodrog]

Does it?

Course it does. What the hell else is it other than a signal of your undimmed support for what they have done to the club and it's supporters to date?

If it doesn't mean a vote of confidence to you it certainly does to them! Agnew will spin and amplify any little positive he is given to the press and media. Rem the 1% goad by Kean at the first protestors after the Arsenal match? I do cos I was one of them! 1% would mean an average home crowd of between 60,000 - 70,000 fans. Wasn't 1% by the time Wigan trapped up was it?

I know people, close friends included, who are very cut up aboutt not renewing but why did they not do something sooner? It's all bit like crying over spilt milk now.

Me too.... There are thousands of them out there. Last season was a tale of Mice and Men.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Does it? Could it not represent somebody who doesn't want to deprive their young son or daughter of experiencing live sport? Could it not represent somebody just wanting to watch a game of football, without the intense fervour of being a die-hard supporter? Could it not represent someone wanting to vent their anger at Kean / Venky's in person?

Unfortunately this situation isn't black and white, no matter what ludicrous blanket assertions are made. There's no evidence that those who have renewed their tickets feel any less angry or upset than those who choose not to.

These ridiculous statements just serve to intimidate people and divide the fans, which is only going to make it harder to achieve what everybody wants, to get rid of Kean and Venky's and have a successful team again.

Look at last season's comments about the 'minority that don't back me' and '1% don't support me' that was spouted by the club. There is no doubt in my mind that even with vastly reduced crowds they will still try and spin and cover up the true situation.

How can they do that if the stadium is empty?

It's your money and your choice to go to games. But tell me, how do you feel that your hard earned money is going towards paying the salary of Steve Kean?

[dinglebasher]

Course it does. What the hell else is it other than a signal of your undimmed support for what they have done to the club and it's supporters to date?

It could be any of the things I mentioned in the post you've selectively highlighted.

Agnew will spin and amplify any little positive he is given to the press and media.

Let's look at it another way - maybe Agnew could spin it to say that those non-renewers were only fair-weather fans in the first place.

I find it hard to understand how you can say that fans inside the ground, protesting in the same way we did last season, can be spun into a positive.

Your arguments suggest that there is only one way to look at the situation - clearly this isn't the case. This blind assertion, based on no evidence, that non-renewing is the only possible course of action is inherently wrong. It's one option, but not the only option, no matter how loud you shout.

[dinglebasher]

Course it does. What the hell else is it other than a signal of your undimmed support for what they have done to the club and it's supporters to date?

If it doesn't mean a vote of confidence to you it certainly does to them! Agnew will spin and amplify any little positive he is given to the press and media.

Let's look at it another way - maybe Agnew could spin it to say that those non-renewers were only fair-weather fans in the first place.

I find it hard to understand how you can say that fans inside the ground, protesting in the same way we did last season, can be spun into a positive.

Your arguments suggest that there is only one way to look at the situation - clearly this isn't the case. This blind assertion, based on no evidence, that non-renewing is the only possible course of action is inherently wrong. It's one option, but not the only option, no matter how loud you shout.

It's your money and your choice to go to games. But tell me, how do you feel that your hard earned money is going towards paying the salary of Steve Kean?

I feel like he doesn't deserve it, but he'll still get it even if the ground is empty. I'd rather have the chance to voice my protest inside the ground than by sitting at home.

I'm not saying that people who renew are definitely doing the right thing, I'm just saying you can't say they are definitely wrong.

[thenodrog]

So you are saying people should just give up completely? Quit now because of Venkys but then don't come back even once they are gone?

What end game do you have in mind here Gordon? Seems a little like you want to chuck the baby out with the bath water.

It appears the truth hurts Stuart. Hurt me a lot as a hid in the 60's when so many had abandoned the club after The Cup Final at Wembley, aided and abetted by the abolishment of the maximum wage***. The tip of the first iceberg as a sign of the greed that those within football are capable of. A once proud and vibrant 1st Div club reduced to 6-7000 in the 3rd Div withing half a dozen years. Only Jack W got them back. I can predict what will likely happen again cos I've seen it before. A place at the top table of football is fantasy island for our club, a shangri la. I know how precious that is and thats why I've little patience for anybody who defended Kean, FC and the Venkeys and little patience for the clowns that were so keen to see Allardyce kicked out and Kean installed by them. There isn't a safer pair of hands in football but that isn't enough for some.

End game? I've simply learned the lessons of history.

*** btw dunno about anybody else but I'd quite like to pledge a few bob to the attempted supporters trust action .... until reallity strikes home that what I am doing in effect is stumping up a few grand in order to pay 20,30,40k per week to some average Carlos Kickaball. A grand of hard earned cash will pay a Prem player's wage until about 7.00am on Monday day 1. Are we all fooking stupid or what? Fact is that apart from the Blue and White halves, Ewood Park and lots of memories I feel I don't really have a connection with BRFC anymore.

Let's look at it another way - maybe Agnew could spin it to say that those non-renewers were only fair-weather fans in the first place.

I find it hard to understand how you can say that fans inside the ground, protesting in the same way we did last season, can be spun into a positive.

Your arguments suggest that there is only one way to look at the situation - clearly this isn't the case. This blind assertion, based on no evidence, that non-renewing is the only possible course of action is inherently wrong. It's one option, but not the only option, no matter how loud you shout.

I feel like he doesn't deserve it, but he'll still get it even if the ground is empty. I'd rather have the chance to voice my protest inside the ground than by sitting at home.

I'm not saying that people who renew are definitely doing the right thing, I'm just saying you can't say they are definitely wrong.

If the club still exists and the owners are the same i've a strong feeling that you'll have packed in by Christmas dinglebasher. Ewood Park will not be a happy place next season.

[dinglebasher]

If the club still exists and the owners are the same i've a strong feeling that you'll have packed in by Christmas dinglebasher. Ewood Park will not be a happy place next season.

We were hardly dancing on the terraces last season!

The only point I'm trying to make is that Agnew can spin it if we turn up and he can spin it if we don't - there is no proven course of action that's definitely going to work.

Some people will decide to boycott, some won't, but they all want the same thing and should be allowed to respond in the way they feel will be most effective.

Whatever you say, buying a ticket for this season doesn't automatically mean a vote of confidence - if you buy a ticket and then protest inside the ground then it is impossible for it to be described in that way.

It's a complex situation, and the reality is that neither boycotting nor attending is likely to achieve anything. Sad but true.

[1864roverite]

I honestly believe that neither KEANSCUM nor AGNEW realise just how much they will be against at the beginning of the season.

I really want AGNEW to come out and guage the real view of the clubs own fans and I urge everyine to send him and email or write a letter expressing their view.

KEANSCUM OUT

[Stuart]

It appears the truth hurts Stuart. Hurt me a lot as a hid in the 60's when so many had abandoned the club after The Cup Final at Wembley, aided and abetted by the abolishment of the maximum wage***. The tip of the first iceberg as a sign of the greed that those within football are capable of. A once proud and vibrant 1st Div club reduced to 6-7000 in the 3rd Div withing half a dozen years. Only Jack W got them back. I can predict what will likely happen again cos I've seen it before. A place at the top table of football is fantasy island for our club, a shangri la. I know how precious that is and thats why I've little patience for anybody who defended Kean, FC and the Venkeys and little patience for the clowns that were so keen to see Allardyce kicked out and Kean installed by them. There isn't a safer pair of hands in football but that isn't enough for some.

End game? I've simply learned the lessons of history.

I agree with most of that but you don't really answer my question. How does this all end, in your mind's eye? Assuming everyone follows your lead and walks away, and gets out of the habit never to return, where does the club go next? Do you believe it would force a sale, and even if it did, with everyone 'out of the habit' what happens next? Just a rerun of the 70s and 80s (presumably without the 90s and 00s) - pretty bleak. If that's the case, why do you still bother coming on here? Or do you too hope for some swifter change in our circumstances? Don't be ashamed, we're all friends here.

Last time around you didn't "abandon the club". It's just possible that you were one of 6-7000 supporters who kept the club ticking over whilst Jack could muster together enough cash to do what he did. In fact, I thank you for that but, aside from the rumours and owners not being local, how is this fundementally different? The club has once again acted against the wishes and apparent best interests of the supporters in much the same way as the FA Cup final, it's just been more relentless this time but still a snub.

Why pick at the 6-7000 who are sticking around this time, in much the same way you did? Also, and I'll probably betray my ignorance here - although mainly my age, what were the main complaints from fans about The FA Cup Final?

[OJRovers]

aside from the rumours and owners not being local, how is this fundementally different? .

Why pick at the 6-7000 who are sticking around this time

Can you really not see why its different this time around?

Those that took advantage of the 'early bird' offer are not just 'sticking around' they chose to give the biggest vote of confidence to the current manager/owner possible. They renewed immediately before last season even finished. If you were serious about wanting to protest, why not at least wait until deadline day to renew?

You must be able to see Kean's smug face showing the early bird figures to Mrs Desai and saying he's got supporters who back him?

[Exiled_Rover]

I'm not sure you will ER. It's like any habit/addiction. Give up and first and it's as hard as hell but given time you wonder why you ever bothered. Keeping the supporters onside even in bad times is an unwritten rule of football club ownership, Walker knew that, Williams knew that this lot must know it too but for some reason they simply don't care. It's clear to all that we do not figure in their plans.

I'm too stubborn NOT to come back once the Venky's are gone.

I agree though, lots won't return.

[Stuart]

Can you really not see why its different this time around?

Those that took advantage of the 'early bird' offer are not just 'sticking around' they chose to give the biggest vote of confidence to the current manager/owner possible. They renewed immediately before last season even finished. If you were serious about wanting to protest, why not at least wait until deadline day to renew?

You must be able to see Kean's smug face showing the early bird figures to Mrs Desai and saying he's got supporters who back him?

I've decided to renew because I want to continue to attend live Rovers matches and even on relegation, the ticket price is still value for money in the Championship. There's no way I would be prepared to pay £40-50 to take my lad on a match by match basis next year.

As I've already posted, I've gambled that something will change over the course of the next season. I hate the thought of Kean or Agnew spinning the numbers in their favour but it's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Well damn them. I'm not going to let my hate for them stop me carrying on.

Apart from that, I've a young son who wanted nothing more than to renew his ticket and carry on watching his team. I've taught him too well it seems so it was largely a done deal from that perspective anyway. I suspect there are a lot in that position.

It seems very much one way traffic on this subject, with the non-renewers seeking a moral high ground to back up a difficult decision. As soon as someone who has renewed explains their reasons, they are mocked as "Superfans" or "Supporters of Rovers Destruction" or get all defensive "don't try to tell me I'm not a real fan just because I won't go to games or buy any merchandise".

As soon as you get into a debate with someone with whom supporting Rovers means the world to them, then someone else steps in with an "it's not as important as real life" statement just because they don't have anything better to counter.

I've renewed, I'm not ashamed. You've not renewed, fine, but don't project your reasons for staying away onto those want to carry on going as some kind of guilt trip.

The chance to make a stand was last season, not enough did until it was too late, that ship has sailed.