[Archived] Season Tickets 2012/13

[thenodrog]

Here are a few of the reasons I renewed:-

1) People keep on harping on about how 'this is not our Rovers any more' .... 'the cub has changed beyond recognition'. Well, during my 40 years of support there have been a couple of times when Rovers have undergone huge change. This period is one of them. The other one was when they knocked the old Blackburn End terrace down and started to break the transfer record every Thursday! That period bore absolutely no resemblance to the previous twenty years I had 'endured'. Despite the 'change' I didn't walk away then ... and I won't now.

2) I take my two little lads to the matches. The older one is at primary school, and what I have noticed is that the football fans in his class are divided roughly into two groups. Those that attend football matches regularly are all Rovers fans ... the armchair fans all 'follow' the 'big' clubs. There don't appear to be any armchair Rovers fans. If kids don't get involved with their local club it's much easier to become a 'plastic'.

3) All eras come to an end. The Venky era will one day become history as did the Jack Walker era (almost certainly to be remembered for very different reasons). The torch must be kept burning until that time arrives. Another thing history teaches us is that once the attending habit is lost it is very difficult to revive it ... just ask some of those on here who gave up last season.

4) I predict that many of those who do not attend next season will become bitter towards the club and possibly develop a hatred of it. I met people like this in the 70's and 80's. People who felt they had been wronged during the 1960 Cup Final ticket fiasco had not attended Ewood since and seemed to revel in the clubs struggles in the lower divisions.

5) Non-attending will make diddly-squat difference to absentee owners. The money involved is minute compared to trading players .... But it will make a big difference to the local lads and lasses who staff the ticket office/ club shop. No trade = no jobs.

Your views appear to have changed significantly ES. Just 9 months ago when you were full of your own self importance and had been seduced over to the dark side you couldn't wait to see the tremblers depart and leave Ewood echoing eerily to the voices of just a few thousand 'proper' supporters. Now you have got your wish you appear to want the tremblers back. How does that work?

Ewood Spark, on 26 October 2011 - 23:53 PM, said:

What a pleasure to be at Ewood tonight. Of course it's always good to send the Geordies home crying (shades of Graham Fenton tonight I thought) ... but the real joy was to be sat amongst the REAL Rovers SUPPORTERS ... People like 'our kid' who had driven 150miles after work to be there. No sign of 'whinging cry-baby dummy spitting ex-fans', or half-wits who boo because they feel affronted to get beat off an all conquering City ... and of course with the tremblers boycotting it just left the REAL SUPPORTERS. Long may it continue.

Ewood Spark, on 28 October 2011 - 08:53 AM, said:

If you choose to categarise yourself as one of the 'whinging cry-baby dummy spitting ex-fans' then you are absolutely right .... I don't/ will not ever attempt to represent your views ... quite frankly I'm not interested in ex-fans. The fans that I will try to represent are the 46% who +1ed my post that you quoted, not a bad percentage in these difficult times.

Ewood Spark, on 28 October 2011 - 09:16 AM, said:

You appear to be confusing me with someone who gives a damn about your trembling tendencies.

Now try as I might I still don't know what the hell possessed you to take such an antagonistic and OTT stance. The current situation is obviously something that you could not see coming when so many others could.

btw just as a matter of interest has your kid renewed?

[Batman.]

Your views appear to have changed significantly ES. Just 9 months ago when you were full of your own self importance and had been seduced over to the dark side you couldn't wait to see the tremblers depart and leave Ewood echoing eerily to the voices of just a few thousand 'proper' supporters. Now you have got your wish you appear to want the tremblers back. How does that work?

Did you really just suggest to another Human Being that they are full of their own "self importance?"

This website is just a vehicle for your self importance, which results in 99% of your posts being very difficult to read.

[thenodrog]

This website is just a vehicle for your self importance, which results in 99% of your posts being very difficult to read.

In comparison to childrens comic books I'm sure they are. Please feel free to put me on ignore then you will have more time to play with your toybox.

[Batman.]

In comparison to childrens comic books I'm sure they are. Please feel free to put me on ignore then you will have more time to play with your toybox.

For someone who obviously sees themselves as intellectually 'superior' to most, I'm suprised that the gobsmacking irony in your last two posts haven't stopped you pressing 'Add Reply.'

Are you under 5ft 10 by any chance?

[Ewood Spark]

Your views appear to have changed significantly ES. Just 9 months ago when you were full of your own self importance and had been seduced over to the dark side you couldn't wait to see the tremblers depart and leave Ewood echoing eerily to the voices of just a few thousand 'proper' supporters. Now you have got your wish you appear to want the tremblers back. How does that work?

Ewood Spark, on 26 October 2011 - 23:53 PM, said:

What a pleasure to be at Ewood tonight. Of course it's always good to send the Geordies home crying (shades of Graham Fenton tonight I thought) ... but the real joy was to be sat amongst the REAL Rovers SUPPORTERS ... People like 'our kid' who had driven 150miles after work to be there. No sign of 'whinging cry-baby dummy spitting ex-fans', or half-wits who boo because they feel affronted to get beat off an all conquering City ... and of course with the tremblers boycotting it just left the REAL SUPPORTERS. Long may it continue.

Ewood Spark, on 28 October 2011 - 08:53 AM, said:

If you choose to categarise yourself as one of the 'whinging cry-baby dummy spitting ex-fans' then you are absolutely right .... I don't/ will not ever attempt to represent your views ... quite frankly I'm not interested in ex-fans. The fans that I will try to represent are the 46% who +1ed my post that you quoted, not a bad percentage in these difficult times.

Ewood Spark, on 28 October 2011 - 09:16 AM, said:

You appear to be confusing me with someone who gives a damn about your trembling tendencies.

Now try as I might I still don't know what the hell possessed you to take such an antagonistic and OTT stance. The current situation is obviously something that you could not see coming when so many others could.

btw just as a matter of interest has your kid renewed?

No change in stance from me ... I have just given some of the reasons why I have renewed. But thanks for reminding me of another reason :-

6) The League Cup game against the Geordies was far and away the most enjoyable atmosphere at Ewood last season. It may or may not be a coincidence that that was also the night that a trial boycott took place. If that was a preview of the support next season then bring it on!

In answer to you other question ..... though I'm not sure of its relevance .... all 10 of us, family and friends, who sit together have renewed.

[AllRoverAsia]

In my opinion this debate is the only one worth having these days when it comes to Rovers. Every other Rovers-related topic involves discussing the details of a bunch of total lunatics formulating their insanity-riddled and inevitable doomed plans. "Hmm, who could Shabby Singh be talking about signing? What will Agnew bring to the role of general manager? Will Steve Kean evade his slander charges..."

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pw8VOmhhoT8/TLiWyW9LV3I/AAAAAAAACRQ/k63KQjtHhyk/s1600/600full-one-flew-over-the-cuckoo's-nest-screenshot.jpg

How did you mange to get inside the Rovers Boardroom to take that pic?

[BRFC95]

No change in stance from me ... I have just given some of the reasons why I have renewed.

Yeah, the first is laughable. I couldn't be bothered to read any more after that

[Mattyblue]

Yeah bring it on ES! Twenty years of bumper crowds? Who needs 'em.

Some of those midweeks in an empty Ewood will be stuff of legend.

[Ewood Spark]

Yeah, the first is laughable. I couldn't be bothered to read any more after that

:!:

Care to elaborate?

[BRFC95]

:!:

Care to elaborate?

How very noble of you not to walk away as Jack built the club up from second division also rans to premier league champions.

However the 'change' we are going through now isn't quite the same, as well you know.

[Ewood Spark]

How very noble of you not to walk away as Jack built the club up from second division also rans to premier league champions.

However the 'change' we are going through now isn't quite the same, as well you know.

The point was laced with irony. Good fortune or bad fortune, this ying to the previous yang ... my support for the eleven blokes in blue and white running around Ewood every fortnight remains constant.

[Ewood Spark]

Your views appear to have changed significantly ES. Just 9 months ago when you were full of your own self importance ... blah ... blah ... blah...

By the way Gordon. Your previous post filled me with no little satisfaction. I bet you spent ages pouring over my posting history desperate to find contradiction. Hard luck. But I'm surprised that your disappointment was reflected in personal insults. Anyway my advice to you is give up on the armature sleuthing and get back to practicing the golf swing

[Mattyblue]

It's all about what you want from a football club,

me? I take pleasure in the club being healthy and well run, with those inside the club doing their utmost to get success, for them to respect the fans.

Not bothering about off field traumas and sticking your fingers in your ears just because there are 11 blokes in blue n white on the pitch isn't support in my book.

[Paul]

The constant accusations and defence regarding whether or not those renewing are supporting Venkys is killing this messageboard.

You are 100% right on this Stuart. I renewed for one very good reason though I admit a big part of me is so disillusioned I could easily stop completely.

I have to say I find the attitude expressed by many on here towards those who have renewed is unnecessarily offensive. It says far more about those vilifying the renewers than it does about those who have renewed. It most certainly has contributed to the ever declining quality of the MB and, sadly, makes me feel even more distant from the club and a large, vocal section of the support.

There are some who are prepared to understand and discuss reasonably the drive behind renewing. Regrettably they seem to be in the minority around here.

Much of this is typified by the remarks directed towards posters such as ES and roversmum. While one may not share the same views it shouldn't stop reasoned debate. Those with an opposing view might consider their language and approach as many lose the argument before its begun.

[Roversider]

How very noble of you not to walk away as Jack built the club up from second division also rans to premier league champions.

However the 'change' we are going through now isn't quite the same, as well you know.

Strange, I read it that ES didnt walk out when we were in the lower reaches of the league pre-Jack. Still I guess I read it with a more receptive mind.

Like a number here I started following the Rovers as they fell through the 2nd to the 3rd and down to crowds of 6 or 7 thousand. I still enjoyed going even when were being beaten by the likes of Colchester or Shrewsbury.

It is less pleasurable when you are surrounded by people who want to find a negative about absolutely everything .

I' ve renewed for lots of reasons, the 'floating whiners' I won't miss but I know that a huge number of fans are not renewing for good reasons and I will miss them. Hopefully things can change sufficiently for them to return. Sadly many will never do.

[Parsonblue]

6) The League Cup game against the Geordies was far and away the most enjoyable atmosphere at Ewood last season. It may or may not be a coincidence that that was also the night that a trial boycott took place. If that was a preview of the support next season then bring it on!

But it's not going to be like that. Although I didn't participate in the protest marches I was shouting "Kean Out" and "Venky's Out" as loud as anyone as where many around me in the Jack Walker Upper by the end of the season. I admit that it was too little, too late but I suspect that the decision to keep Kean will ensure that the atmosphere at Ewood won't change and that many, like myself, who have renewed will continue to give the manager a warm reception. Whilst I fully accept that this sort of atmosphere is not going to help the team the fact remains that this is not a normal club anymore and can't be judged by normal criteria.

I note the points of your earlier post and would not disagree with many of them. You are right in that things change. I suppose the first change I witnessed was the impact of the lifting of the maximum wage and the steady decline in our fortunes following that. Circumstances beyond our control dictated that while the big city clubs came to dominate the likes of the Rovers, Preston, Burnley, Bolton etc fell away. However, the events of last season were not beyond our control and could, indeed should, have been prevented. It must be the first relegation in the club's history that was self inflicted. In the past, in similar circumstances, we have tried to avoid the drop, last season we almost embraced it.

In the circumstances I can fully understand why many loyal supporters have opted not to renew. They may or may not come back at some point - that will be their decision.

I don't think there is a right or wrong thing to do. Each supporter makes their own decision and that decision should be respected by every other supporter. As I said, this is not a normal club anymore and thus supporters are bound to react differently.

The one thing I suspect that we all agree on is that we want to see the back of the Venky/Kean circus.

[Mattyblue]

You are right to an extent Paul, but ES is usually found on the wind-up.

I' ve renewed for lots of reasons, the 'floating whiners' I won't miss but I know that a huge number of fans are not renewing for good reasons and I will miss them. Hopefully things can change sufficiently for them to return. Sadly many will never do.

You're right they won't.

However, many of the 'floating whiners' still will be there with thousands of the long standing fans lost.

[PAFELL]

You are 100% right on this Stuart. I renewed for one very good reason though I admit a big part of me is so disillusioned I could easily stop completely.

I have to say I find the attitude expressed by many on here towards those who have renewed is unnecessarily offensive. It says far more about those vilifying the renewers than it does about those who have renewed. It most certainly has contributed to the ever declining quality of the MB and, sadly, makes me feel even more distant from the club and a large, vocal section of the support.

There are some who are prepared to understand and discuss reasonably the drive behind renewing. Regrettably they seem to be in the minority around here.

Much of this is typified by the remarks directed towards posters such as ES and roversmum. While one may not share the same views it shouldn't stop reasoned debate. Those with an opposing view might consider their language and approach as many lose the argument before its begun.

Although I am not in the position to buy a season ticket. I ask myself am I still prepared to travel from the south to the north for five or six matches as I normally do. My answer is yes. I am not supporting either venkys or kean, but the team. It would not surprise me if many of those who have chosen not to renew have chanted "rovers till I die". Maybe they should change the chant to rovers till I die, subject to decent owners and manager.

I detest venkys and kean and I have no intention of allowing those idiots to stop my enjoyment of football and rovers.

It is still though down to individuals to decide for themselves to renew or not. But I support the club through thick and thin. I also think it is essential that Rovers get back up this season - no matter who the owners are. Mainly because of the new TV deal - the club could do with that. I also do not believe Kean will finish the season as rovers manager. The championship will be harder to get out of this season and kean is not up to the task of getting promotion. I will continue to travel up to watch rovers and take in a few away matches. Supporting your club / team through thick and thin times is to me part of being a supporter.

[Guest SuperAgentJB]

Although I am not in the position to buy a season ticket. I ask myself am I still prepared to travel from the south to the north for five or six matches as I normally do. My answer is yes. I am not supporting either venkys or kean, but the team. It would not surprise me if many of those who have chosen not to renew have chanted "rovers till I die". Maybe they should change the chant to rovers till I die, subject to decent owners and manager.

I detest venkys and kean and I have no intention of allowing those idiots to stop my enjoyment of football and rovers.

It is still though down to individuals to decide for themselves to renew or not. But I support the club through thick and thin. I also think it is essential that Rovers get back up this season - no matter who the owners are. Mainly because of the new TV deal - the club could do with that. I also do not believe Kean will finish the season as rovers manager. The championship will be harder to get out of this season and kean is not up to the task of getting promotion. I will continue to travel up to watch rovers and take in a few away matches. Supporting your club / team through thick and thin times is to me part of being a supporter.

Great post.

The reference to "rovers till I die" sums up my feelings entirely. The indians don't care if I am at Ewood or not. The only people it will affect is the players. Who wants to play for a team with no fans?... Oh and the media will slate us, not because we are being run into the ground by fools, but because we have "cheap" fans who don't wanna watch second tier football.

I know the hurt it has caused after the last 18 months - it burns because it was so avoidable, and the circus just gets worse. But this is not a reason to pack it in. If you want to boycott the venkys pockets then go to some away games. The players (whoever they might be) are still wearing that shirt that sends shivers down the spines of the young rovers - I will still enjoy getting behind them. It's almost escapism. If I sat at home, I'd be more stressed not giving my support.

[Mattyblue]

This is going round in circles.

Some feel they are helping the greater good of the club by boycotting, cut off the finance at source.

Some feel they need to carry on attending to support the team, if not those running the club.

Either way, we can't lose track of who we are fighting.

[thenodrog]

By the way Gordon. Your previous post filled me with no little satisfaction. I bet you spent ages pouring over my posting history desperate to find contradiction. Hard luck. But I'm surprised that your disappointment was reflected in personal insults. Anyway my advice to you is give up on the armature sleuthing and get back to practicing the golf swing

You started the insults by becoming a Venkey groupie and describing any and all concerned supporters who were questioning the new owners as 'tremblers'. Serious error of judgement that was, and one which as far as I am aware to date you have neither apologised for nor retracted.

You need to realise that the tremblers will be around long after the VenkeyMob and their sticky fingered little entourage have finished plundering Jack Walker's legacy and ###### off home. I chose to have no part of that from an early stage whilst oddly you still appear to be in full support.

[thenodrog]

You are 100% right on this Stuart. I renewed for one very good reason though I admit a big part of me is so disillusioned I could easily stop completely.

I have to say I find the attitude expressed by many on here towards those who have renewed is unnecessarily offensive. It says far more about those vilifying the renewers than it does about those who have renewed. It most certainly has contributed to the ever declining quality of the MB and, sadly, makes me feel even more distant from the club and a large, vocal section of the support.

There are some who are prepared to understand and discuss reasonably the drive behind renewing. Regrettably they seem to be in the minority around here.

Much of this is typified by the remarks directed towards posters such as ES and roversmum. While one may not share the same views it shouldn't stop reasoned debate. Those with an opposing view might consider their language and approach as many lose the argument before its begun.

You are running with the hare and hunting with the hounds Paul. By your own admission but for your devotion to Tom you would not have renewed, therefore your comments are a little hollow aren't they?

[Ewood Spark]

... but I suspect that the decision to keep Kean will ensure that the atmosphere at Ewood won't change and that many, like myself, who have renewed will continue to give the manager a warm reception. Whilst I fully accept that this sort of atmosphere is not going to help the team ....

Hallelujah! A well respected member of this board recognising the point I was banging on about last year. The fact is the 'clever' stuff is taking place far away from Ewood. It is the footballing authorities, courts and Mumbai press that will force a change to the situation ... not swamping Ewood in an even deeper ocean of negativity.

[thenodrog]

Hallelujah! A well respected member of this board recognising the point I was banging on about last year. The fact is the 'clever' stuff is taking place far away from Ewood. It is the footballing authorities, courts and Mumbai press that will force a change to the situation ... not swamping Ewood in an even deeper ocean of negativity.

No thanks to you though is it Neil? It's all down to the efforts of the tremblers. Your Hallelujah's should be directed towards them.

[Ewood Spark]

You started the insults by becoming a Venkey groupie and describing any and all concerned supporters who were questioning the new owners as 'tremblers'. Serious error of judgement that was, and one which as far as I am aware to date you have neither apologised for nor retracted.

You need to realise that the tremblers will be around long after the VenkeyMob and their sticky fingered little entourage have finished plundering Jack Walker's legacy and ###### off home. I chose to have no part of that from an early stage whilst oddly you still appear to be in full support.

The term 'tremblers', as you well know, was directed at match day protesters who ultimatly failed in their aims but where far from being a benign influence on the ensuing relagation fight.

As for the rest of your post .... could I recommend you spend another 'interesting' evening trawling through my posting history to find some evidence to back up your claims. Start early mind, because in Oates famous last words ... you 'may be some time'!