[Archived] Season Tickets 2012/13

[riggers77]

What about option e: keeping the club ticking over until the current owners f off?

Option f: giving your kids a lesson in not giving up on something when the going gets tough - no matter how dire things seem

Option g: only having one football club in spite of your school friends' or work colleagues' taunts and jibes

If the Rangers debacle has reaffirmed one thing for me, it's that a football club belongs to its fans, not its owners, manager or even players.

Without the fans it ceases to exist...

What are you waiting for Matty? Serious question.

How about giving a lesson to your kids to in no way fund corruption?

[47er]

Specifically on the point of the effectiveness of people not attending games, well to go to the absolute extreme - and yes I know it wont ever happen - if no-one turned up for the home games the Raos position, IMO, would be completely untenable. Now if you accept that point then the point isn't that non attendance doesn't work, it's "how low do gates have to drop to, to make their position untenable?" I don't accept for one minute that attendances will have no effect on the Roas existence here. The truth to me, is more along the lines that not enough people are prepared to make a stand.

Agree with you Den.

My own intuitive opinion is that the Raos believe we can "bounce back". Then they'll be back on the gravy train with all that TV revenue.

At that point they can continue to own the club hoping to avoid relegation every season or they can sell up at a better price than they could get now. That's the gamble they've taken with our club.

For me, they are as deluded as ever. Crap manager, woeful admin, no relationship with the fans etc etc means we'll struggle on and off the field.

If I'm right, then the owners will find themselves having to pour money in or face administration. They will finally realize the games up

And Kean/Agnew etc have led them up the garden path. Enter the 2 Ian's or BRST or whomever.

That's how I see it. In other words success = Raos/Kean/Agnew for the long term.

[Stuart]

How about giving a lesson to your kids to in no way fund corruption?

Sorry riggers, we all have to pay our taxes...

[Ewood Spark]

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..... I will in all likelyhood renew to sit with the rump that remain.

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But Matt it isn't that long ago since you said ....

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You need to look at your own conscience, if you feel still turning up to Ewood Park is the right thing to do. Buying a programme with the latest views of Agnew and Keano then carry on.

But I'm not sure I can, because it just feels morally repugnant to set foot on that ground whilst it's occupied. Starve them of the only things they respect- money.

... and ....

.........

So at the moment myself and most of my nearest and dearest are boycotting Ewood Park. NEVER did I think it would come to this.

At this rate of change you'll be joining the '100 Club' and renting an Exec Box for the season.

[Stuart]

Maybe he just needs a holiday to help him decide?

[Mattyblue]

Maybe this has been the toughest decision I've had to make as a Rovers fan and seeing as I've still not renewed, that is obviously the case.

Seeing as most of my friends and family have stopped I can sit with you?

[Stuart]

More than welcome to sit with us Matty!

[Ewood Spark]

Maybe this has been the toughest decision I've had to make as a Rovers fan and seeing as I've still not renewed, that is obviously the case.

Seeing as most of my friends and family have stopped I can sit with you?

More than welcome Matt. After all, in the dim and distant past when you were a nipper, I often used to sit next to you and your dad at away games... and you were no problem then .

[Mattyblue]

You want to get down the row from us Neil, you'll know plenty of owd faces

[Waggy76]

Agree with you Den.

My own intuitive opinion is that the Raos believe we can "bounce back". Then they'll be back on the gravy train with all that TV revenue.

At that point they can continue to own the club hoping to avoid relegation every season or they can sell up at a better price than they could get now. That's the gamble they've taken with our club.

For me, they are as deluded as ever. Crap manager, woeful admin, no relationship with the fans etc etc means we'll struggle on and off the field.

If I'm right, then the owners will find themselves having to pour money in or face administration. They will finally realize the games up

And Kean/Agnew etc have led them up the garden path. Enter the 2 Ian's or BRST or whomever.

That's how I see it. In other words success = Raos/Kean/Agnew for the long term.

I certainly think , they are gambling on an all or nothing season , and the club could well be in administration in 12 months time !

Surely they would have a better chance of achieving their goals if they got rid of Kean , this would also unite the fanbase .

Also what I cannot understand why did they not try to keep us in the Premier League ? A gamble or 2 on players in January and the removal of kean and Blackburn Rovers would probably still be in the Premier League .

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Maybe this has been the toughest decision I've had to make as a Rovers fan

Tell me about it, I'm another who's changed his mind over the last few months. My breaking point was their ludicrous decision to keep Kean on, who I was absolutely convinced would now have to go.

Option f: giving your kids a lesson in not giving up on something when the going gets tough - no matter how dire things seem.

My issue with that is that the going hasn't gotten tough, Venkys have just voluntarily ruined the club from the strong position we were in when they took over. There has never been any fight or struggle in all this from anyone but the fans, who have no power. While those with power have been money-grabbing, spouting nonsense, and pursuing their own agendas.

[Gav]

It would be interesting to get an offical figure on the numbers of season tickets sold so far, we can talk about this until we're blue in the face, but a good majority could already have renewed, we just don't know.

[roversR4ever]

Agree with you Den.

My own intuitive opinion is that the Raos believe we can "bounce back". Then they'll be back on the gravy train with all that TV revenue.

At that point they can continue to own the club hoping to avoid relegation every season or they can sell up at a better price than they could get now. That's the gamble they've taken with our club.

For me, they are as deluded as ever. Crap manager, woeful admin, no relationship with the fans etc etc means we'll struggle on and off the field.

If I'm right, then the owners will find themselves having to pour money in or face administration. They will finally realize the games up

And Kean/Agnew etc have led them up the garden path. Enter the 2 Ian's or BRST or whomever.

That's how I see it. In other words success = Raos/Kean/Agnew for the long term.

I think you are right, they do think that they will bounce back. I also think they will start to panic a lot sooner if we dont get a good start to the championship. At that point I think it will be open warfare between numbnuts and Shabby. The impression being given is that numbt nuts hasnt previously been able to sign the players he has wanted and you can bet that what hes told them thats why we went down!.

[PAFELL]

It would be interesting to get an offical figure on the numbers of season tickets sold so far, we can talk about this until we're blue in the face, but a good majority could already have renewed, we just don't know.

I think people will just buy match tickets if the team start doing well.

[jim mk2]

Some of the stay-aways will come back if Rovers get off to a good start but I'm afraid some fans have been lost forever. Once they get out of the habit of attending they won't return even if Kean and / or Venky's depart. Our supporter base - which has always been fragile at the best of times - has been weakened making the already difficult task of returning to the top flight even harder.

[Mattyblue]

Exactly jim.

The Rovers tragics like me, you and most of the other posters on brfcs.com are not representative of the wider fanbase.

They aren't 'actively boycotting', they aren't reading every article, press release, potential buy-out and so on, they just won't give their money and time to the club in it's current guise, they'll soon find something else to do.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I am unclear as to by what mechanism the stay-aways believe that sparse crowds will convince the owners (?) to sell. Shame? Financial? Guilt?

As to shame: they are 5,000 miles away and get everything spun to them. Viewing figures for obscure championship games in India? I'm guessing nil. If no-one whose opinion they care about even knows what's happening, why would they be ashamed, or more ashamed than if we got crowds of 16,000?

Financial: Season ticket holders contributed around 4 million IIRC, let's say a normal relegation would make that 2.5. Let's say we only take 1 million ie a 75% reduction from last year. Cost to Raos - versus normal relegation 1.5 million. Loss of tv money from last year. 30 million. So this extra 5% reduction in income will shock them to their core? Hmmmm.

Guilt: ie feeling sorry to have blighted the lives of Rovers fans to the point where they spend their afternoons shopping with their wives or golfing. Oh, the humanity!

Or perhaps there is another mechanism I haven't considered.

All my opinion obviously, but I'd like to hear a contrary opinion on WHY this would work other than "What else can we do" or "It just will" or without invoking totally unrealistic scenarios such as an empty ground when we are home to Burnley and taking 10,000 away fans to Peterborough on a Tuesday night in January.

[ABBEY]

But Matt it isn't that long ago since you said ....

... and ....

At this rate of change you'll be joining the '100 Club' and renting an Exec Box for the season.

All this and you don't answer my questions 10 times ... 11th time of asking now .

[Rover_Shaun]

I won't be shopping, or going to Ewood

I think people will just buy match tickets if the team start doing well.

Personally, using a quote from and incompetent scot who's wages season ticket holders are funding, Not a chance. No

It would be interesting to get an offical figure on the numbers of season tickets sold so far, we can talk about this until we're blue in the face, but a good majority could already have renewed, we just don't know.

Obviously the lack of news means they are dire. We have entered the month before the season starts and if sales were good PNE Paul wouldn't be able to contain himself

[Gav]

I think people will just buy match tickets if the team start doing well.

Really can't see us doing well though, can you?

The manager is competely inept, from his tactics to his substitutions, completely inept in ever department.

Obviously the lack of news means they are dire. We have entered the month before the season starts and if sales were good PNE Paul wouldn't be able to contain himself

Yes you're probably right Blue and white, he wouldn't be able to contain himself, classless p***k that he is.

[OJRovers]

I am unclear as to by what mechanism the stay-aways believe that sparse crowds will convince the owners (?) to sell. Shame? Financial? Guilt?

As to shame: they are 5,000 miles away and get everything spun to them. Viewing figures for obscure championship games in India? I'm guessing nil. If no-one whose opinion they care about even knows what's happening, why would they be ashamed, or more ashamed than if we got crowds of 16,000?

Financial: Season ticket holders contributed around 4 million IIRC, let's say a normal relegation would make that 2.5. Let's say we only take 1 million ie a 75% reduction from last year. Cost to Raos - versus normal relegation 1.5 million. Loss of tv money from last year. 30 million. So this extra 5% reduction in income will shock them to their core? Hmmmm.

Guilt: ie feeling sorry to have blighted the lives of Rovers fans to the point where they spend their afternoons shopping with their wives or golfing. Oh, the humanity!

Or perhaps there is another mechanism I haven't considered.

All my opinion obviously, but I'd like to hear a contrary opinion on WHY this would work other than "What else can we do" or "It just will" or without invoking totally unrealistic scenarios such as an empty ground when we are home to Burnley and taking 10,000 away fans to Peterborough on a Tuesday night in January.

Valid points EiT

I think we can safely say from the 18+months of their ownership that they don't care at all about what the supporters think or do.

However, for a lot of people (me included) I can't face contributing or supporting the owners/manager in any way, regardless of whether it will make a difference or not.

If everyone put the team before the manager/owners and renewed, you know for a certainty that Kean would spin that to mean everyone is behind him.

[Hasta]

I am unclear as to by what mechanism the stay-aways believe that sparse crowds will convince the owners (?) to sell. Shame? Financial? Guilt?

As to shame: they are 5,000 miles away and get everything spun to them. Viewing figures for obscure championship games in India? I'm guessing nil. If no-one whose opinion they care about even knows what's happening, why would they be ashamed, or more ashamed than if we got crowds of 16,000?

Financial: Season ticket holders contributed around 4 million IIRC, let's say a normal relegation would make that 2.5. Let's say we only take 1 million ie a 75% reduction from last year. Cost to Raos - versus normal relegation 1.5 million. Loss of tv money from last year. 30 million. So this extra 5% reduction in income will shock them to their core? Hmmmm.

Guilt: ie feeling sorry to have blighted the lives of Rovers fans to the point where they spend their afternoons shopping with their wives or golfing. Oh, the humanity!

Or perhaps there is another mechanism I haven't considered.

All my opinion obviously, but I'd like to hear a contrary opinion on WHY this would work other than "What else can we do" or "It just will" or without invoking totally unrealistic scenarios such as an empty ground when we are home to Burnley and taking 10,000 away fans to Peterborough on a Tuesday night in January.

I don't feel the boycott will work. I'm not staying away for that reason. I just want Blackburn Rovers to succeed or do the best that they can. I can take us losing and being relegated. I can accept us being poor (again) so long as I know that it's because bad decisions were made, or people weren't good enough, as long as they did their best for Blackburn Rovers. I can still support them for this.

Not the case here. We have seen signings being brought into the club that have defied logic. We have seen players who we needed in the squad being dumped for 'contractual reasons'. We have a manger in place who has proved himself over an 18 month timeframe to be woefully inept or completely compliant in what is happening. We have been lied to time and time and time again over why all this is happening. Ontop of this, Kean has been on TV having constant gripes at the very spectators who are being asked to support the club and contribute to their income. Kean has insulted our intelligence over each of our many poor performances with bulls*** positive gloss. To sit and watch all this has been painful.

However I can't stop supporting Rovers. That support will never leave me. It's just that I feel nothing but frustration and anger at match days now and also whenever any member of staff is speaking in the media. What needs to happens is either Venkys sell up, or they start running the club properly. Unfortunately on the latter suggestion, the club cannot be run properly with Kean in charge. He is not good enough to get us promotion even if we had the best squad in the league. I, and I am sure most others, firmly believe this. In order for us to progress he needs to be sacked. Otherwise we may plod around mid-table (if we're lucky) until the money runs out and disaster strikes.

How is he going to get sacked? No-one can quite see with these owners. The only hope is that following a poor run of form the newly structured club have the balls to sack him. Unlikely but the only visible outcome. Therefore for this to happen, and the club I love to move forward, Rovers need to go on a poor run of form. But there lies the catch. I can't hope we get beat. I always want us to win every game. However winning 1 in 3 games won't get us promotion but will keep numb nuts in a job. Winning 2 in 3 would get us promotion but I firmly believe he can't do this. i have given him 18 months and he has done nothing to prove otherwise. He has to go. Therefore we have to lose - but I don't want that - but that is what would be best for the club I love. - That's how completely ****** this all is.

[den]

I am unclear as to by what mechanism the stay-aways believe that sparse crowds will convince the owners (?) to sell. Shame? Financial? Guilt?

As to shame: they are 5,000 miles away and get everything spun to them. Viewing figures for obscure championship games in India? I'm guessing nil. If no-one whose opinion they care about even knows what's happening, why would they be ashamed, or more ashamed than if we got crowds of 16,000?

Financial: Season ticket holders contributed around 4 million IIRC, let's say a normal relegation would make that 2.5. Let's say we only take 1 million ie a 75% reduction from last year. Cost to Raos - versus normal relegation 1.5 million. Loss of tv money from last year. 30 million. So this extra 5% reduction in income will shock them to their core? Hmmmm.

Guilt: ie feeling sorry to have blighted the lives of Rovers fans to the point where they spend their afternoons shopping with their wives or golfing. Oh, the humanity!

Or perhaps there is another mechanism I haven't considered.

All my opinion obviously, but I'd like to hear a contrary opinion on WHY this would work other than "What else can we do" or "It just will" or without invoking totally unrealistic scenarios such as an empty ground when we are home to Burnley and taking 10,000 away fans to Peterborough on a Tuesday night in January.

What makes you think anyone cares whether it will work or not? Whether it does or doesn't, many fans wont support people who they think aren't working in the best interests of the football club.

Simple as that really.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

I am unclear as to by what mechanism the stay-aways believe that sparse crowds will convince the owners (?) to sell. Shame? Financial? Guilt?

As to shame: they are 5,000 miles away and get everything spun to them. Viewing figures for obscure championship games in India? I'm guessing nil. If no-one whose opinion they care about even knows what's happening, why would they be ashamed, or more ashamed than if we got crowds of 16,000?

Financial: Season ticket holders contributed around 4 million IIRC, let's say a normal relegation would make that 2.5. Let's say we only take 1 million ie a 75% reduction from last year. Cost to Raos - versus normal relegation 1.5 million. Loss of tv money from last year. 30 million. So this extra 5% reduction in income will shock them to their core? Hmmmm.

Guilt: ie feeling sorry to have blighted the lives of Rovers fans to the point where they spend their afternoons shopping with their wives or golfing. Oh, the humanity!

Or perhaps there is another mechanism I haven't considered.

All my opinion obviously, but I'd like to hear a contrary opinion on WHY this would work other than "What else can we do" or "It just will" or without invoking totally unrealistic scenarios such as an empty ground when we are home to Burnley and taking 10,000 away fans to Peterborough on a Tuesday night in January.

Your argument seems to be based on what the current number of stay-aways can achieve. Well granted thats not much, which is why there's the fractious mood in this thread. But you don't do something on principle and then give up doing it because not enough people have joined in. In my opinion there will be nothing for this club but abject failure until Venkys leave, I'm demeaning myself by turning up to watch the pathetic circus act, and at least some of the money I use to do that would go straight back to India. But wait, not everyones doing it? Oh I'll give up then.

[thenodrog]

Its a cheap shot Gordon, something you’ve been found guilty of more than once recently, but I’ll not bite

'a cheap shot'???? You were told and better told at the time but you knew best didn't you Gav. Despite the obvious differences in performance and results which you were actually witnessing at the time between him and Ince you still had Allardyce down as the Anti Christ. The only consolation from which you may take some comfort from (scant though it is) was that you weren't on your own.