[Archived] HOW MUCH MORE

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I'm probably going to be slaughtered for saying this but a modicum of realism needs to be brought into this debate. I've taken part in protests and probably will again before the end of this season but I think we're all aware that we're in entirely different times and an entirely different situation to the end of Saxton's era and the end of previous managers. We now have Mr Agnew and co and possibly more dangerous factors in the equation. We can't go running onto pitches, running up to people to give them a tirade, etc. without expecting serious consequnces. We now know that if you're too loud, too blasphemous, whatever, you'll be arrested for dubious reasons. It's happened to people that I respect this season. And given the economy and lack of jobs going round at the moment, to risk having even a police caution never mind conviction against your name is a mighty big deal these days. So where do we go from here? I just think somebody/something has Rovers fans by the proverbial balls at the moment. So tell me, just how do we break that grip?

That's the problem with or fans though Dawn,we're simply too nice,we sit down ,we shut up..we do as we're told.As mentioned,a 'possible' MASS pitch invasion come the Wigan game in protest at what these idiots have done to our club is more than well deserved if it happens imo.

But knowing apathetic Rovers fans will just put their tails between their legs,bow their heads and quietly saunter back up Livesey branch without even a whimper.

[Waggy76]

That's the problem with or fans though Dawn,we're simply too nice,we sit down ,we shut up..we do as we're told.As mentioned,a 'possible' MASS pitch invasion come the Wigan game in protest at what these idiots have done to our club is more than well deseved if it happens imo.

But knowing apathetic Rovers fans will just put their tails between their legs,bow their heads and quietly saunter back up Livesey branch without even a whimper.

Boycott the games and do not renew season tickets .....

I understand the people who do not want too ,but voting with your feet as the biggest impact .......

[Mattyblue]

And they will be doing, ST sales will be horrendous.

[Stuart]

That's the problem with or fans though Dawn,we're simply too nice,we sit down ,we shut up..we do as we're told.As mentioned,a 'possible' MASS pitch invasion come the Wigan game in protest at what these idiots have done to our club is more than well deserved if it happens imo.

But knowing apathetic Rovers fans will just put their tails between their legs,bow their heads and quietly saunter back up Livesey branch without even a whimper.

The majority of Blackburn folk are not "fanatical" about Rovers. It's a pastime, something to do with their Saturday afternoon (midweek games are an annoyance in some cases). I used to think this was down to having greater priorities in their lives but there just seems to be an oomph missing. They don't confront, they grumble in the house, at work, in the supermarket.

Maybe it's the economic downturn, maybe those with a scarce day-job have too much to lose, but the threat of a caution or unlikely criminal record means Rovers fans will not invade the pitch. Maybe some of the younger fans who think it'll be a laugh might but, in the main, Blackburners aren't built like that (anymore).

That's why I've been so surprised at the approach taken by the club towards increasing stewarding around the pitch towards the end of games and the confrontational searches in the Darwen End. It's almost as though the club are expecting there to be trouble. Maybe they think trouble would be a natural reaction - maybe the thought of arresting lots of Rovers fans would justify the club's adversarial position towards its fans. I bet they are itching to eject and/or ban some of the "dangerous" Rovers fans so Kean can justify his bodyguard expenses. (Presumably the Brockhall security guard is getting paid overtime?).

But given everything that has gone on this season and last, and the helplessness people feel (do something audible/visible = bad fan, not a true supporter) apathy has now set in and a lot of people just want to see the back of this season. (How often do you see BBE fans streaming out towards the end of a game?).

Once Venkys are gone it'll be like the last 20 years didn't happen. Sure we'll have the memories and stories of Alan Shearers and Damien Duffs and Mark Hughes and Kenny Dalglishs to tell the grandchildren but our spell at the top table playing against the 'big boys' will be over. Forever. Our brief flirtation with the Champions League and winning league title will be a cameo of our time in the Premier League.

If only it had been organised that 4 teams got into the Champions League during the early-to-mid 90s; by now we'd have been set up like United, Chelsea or most likely Arsenal. But you can't have everything...

As it is we will go out with a whimper rather than a bang. With tears rather than shouts.

All our shouting has been done.

And no-one listened.

[Claytons Left Boot]

Us fans are not to blame in the slightest.

Plus, when the protests were at their loudest- Bolton at home, the fans were absolutely slaughtered by the media and we well and truly lost the PR war that day.

Venky's and to a lesser extent Kean are to blame but we, the fans, should have played a much bigger part. It may, just may have had a more positive effect. You can't just bury your head in the sand when things like this happen.

And who gives a flying one about the press and the media ffs. They've disliked us for years. Much better to rid ourselves of our owners and be out of favour with the media than being all luvvy luvvy with them, but relegated.

[Mattyblue]

Rovers fans aren't fanatical Stuart?

The ones I know are, the ones I end up lamenting our demise with at work, in the pub, on the street are as well.

Modern football fans like to moan about midweek games, kick off times and everything else, doesn't mean anything.

Pompey have been screwed over more than anyone, what have their fans actually done about it? Nowt, because there is nothing they can do, and these are fans deemed 'fanatical' by the media.

Posts like that Id expect to read from a Dingle, not a man steeped in the club like you are Stu.

[EWOODACE1]

VENKYS ARE THE DISEASE, KEAN IS A SYMPTOM

Firstly you should pay me a fee because I invented that saying. It has been used by many by I still own the sayining and anyone who cares to search will see that it is my saying. Normally I wouldn't care but you are defending the R-SOLE.

quick on e tonitght but what are you saying? that the fans are the problem .. or venkys?

im saying the only people to blame are venkys. they appointed someone who is well out of his depth and have stuck with him. some people on here though are being pathetic and believe that because they protested only they have the right to complain. others blame non protesters for the position we are in. the position we are in has nothing to do with any fans and its wrong to point the finger at them.

and thankyou for the saying, i use it on every website i go on now. and no i have not defended venkys or kean once. i was defending the fans from some of the protesters deluded comments

[Stuart]

Rovers fans aren't fanatical Stuart?

The ones I know are, the ones I end up lamenting our demise with at work, in the pub, on the street are as well.

Modern football fans like to moan about midweek games, kick off times and everything else, doesn't mean anything.

Pompey have been screwed over more than anyone, what have their fans actually done about it? Nowt, because there is nothing they can do, and these are fans deemed 'fanatical' by the media.

Posts like that Id expect to read from a Dingle, not a man steeped in the club like you are Stu.

Ouch. Only saying it like I see it, Matty. I'm talking about 'fanatical' in the looney sense, by the way.

From first-hand experience, people grumble, they don't protest. I think that's been proven.

Do you expect a pitch invasion any time soon?

EDIT:

Fanatical.

1 Filled with excessive and single-minded zeal

2 Obsessively concerned with something

I think you and I, and most on the MB, fall, as a minimum, into 2. Don't you think if the majority of supporters were 'fanatical' there would have been a different reaction to what has happened to date, maybe even greater supported protests?

[Mattyblue]

Of course not, tis the modern fan, not the Rovers fan.

Even this seasons West Ham/Milwall games have been tame affairs. I read an article saying 'is the war over?'

[Mike Graham]

Of course not, tis the modern fan, not the Rovers fan.

Even this seasons West Ham/Milwall games have been tame affairs. I read an article saying 'is the war over?'

Just wait for the Rovers v Dingles games next season when hostilities will resume.

[Jock]

A pitch invasion needs to come from different areas of the ground so that makes it very difficult.They'll have loads of stewards out for the Wigan game. We'd have to be on quick and no hanging about the advertising boards.

Are we sneaking in banners for the Wigan game?

Sod the media now, its between us and Kean/Venkys and Agnew. They need shaking out of their ivory tower.

[Stuart]

Of course not, tis the modern fan, not the Rovers fan.

I agree but I was only responding about Rovers.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Just wait for the Rovers v Dingles games next season when hostilities will resume.

All a load of p1ss 'n' wind Preston blue,nothing but hype stirred by he local media and a few clog heads still living in the 70's,NOTHING of note ever happens.

[Stuart]

A pitch invasion needs to come from different areas of the ground so that makes it very difficult.They'll have loads of stewards out for the Wigan game. We'd have to be on quick and no hanging about the advertising boards.

Are we sneaking in banners for the Wigan game?

Sod the media now, its between us and Kean/Venkys and Agnew. They need shaking out of their ivory tower.

It's posts like that which guarantee the club will increase security and policing, probably searches and generally treat everyone like criminals before the game even starts.

The season may not even be over after the Wigan game.

[Jock]

It's posts like that which guarantee the club will increase security and policing, probably searches and generally treat everyone like criminals before the game even starts.

The season may not even be over after the Wigan game.

Apologies just livid with the management. I'm not sure what i'm supporting at the moment, is it a football CLUB? private club? members club?

Whatever it is stinks rotten to the core and we're sleep walking towards oblivion.

P.S they treat us like criminals anyway.

[Stuart]

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P.S they treat us like criminals anyway.

Only if you sit in the Darwen End.

[Jock]

They probably want to do it in other areas but as we know extra stewards cost money and this lot do everything on the cheap.

[Stuart]

They probably want to do it in other areas but as we know extra stewards cost money and this lot do everything on the cheap.

Ha. Wouldn't surprise me in the least!

[Majiball]

They probably want to do it in other areas but as we know extra stewards cost money and this lot do everything on the cheap.

Perhaps they'll take advantage of the job-centers 'work experience' venture?

I wonder if you could hire staff through an agency in India, fly them over here, stick 20-30 of them in one cheap rent house. Pay them Indian wages, feed them etc (cheaper for us, use the concourse), recycle them every 6 months or so to avoid issues. Could probably steward the whole place for about £3K a month based on three houses.

[Jock]

Perhaps they'll take advantage of the job-centers 'work experience' venture?

I wonder if you could hire staff through an agency in India, fly them over here, stick 20-30 of them in one cheap rent house. Pay them Indian wages, feed them etc (cheaper for us, use the concourse), recycle them every 6 months or so to avoid issues. Could probably steward the whole place for about £3K a month based on three houses.

They could have a test run for the Olympics and shoot anyone with a rucksack in the back of the head.

' We shot 500 terrorists in the Riverside for having flasks in their bags, you cant take anychances'

[winstonsmith]

All a load of p1ss 'n' wind Preston blue,nothing but hype stirred by he local media and a few clog heads still living in the 70's,NOTHING of note ever happens.

A total of 19 fans were jailed following violence after the Rovers v Burnley match in October 2009.

[1864roverite]

Winston you need to get with it.

Those 19 were MORONS and NOT fans.

[Andy]

Yes, 19 less idiots off the streets.

[Gav]

A pitch invasion needs to come from different areas of the ground so that makes it very difficult.They'll have loads of stewards out for the Wigan game. We'd have to be on quick and no hanging about the advertising boards.

Are we sneaking in banners for the Wigan game?

Sod the media now, its between us and Kean/Venkys and Agnew. They need shaking out of their ivory tower.

You know what, a pitch invasion is a fantastic way of protesting, but people just don't have the bottle to carry out such a direct protest. I've read posts from people on this very site that they're scared to even march in protest against the owners and manager, which to be honest is mindboggling, so a pitch invasion could be a bridge to far, but.....

It needs a couple of people, with anti-venkys banners or scarf’s, to get into the centre circle and simply hold the banners aloft or sit down in protest. Its about time the protests are started up again and more aimed at the owners than the useless manager, he’s got sympathy from the fraternity, probably because he’s seen as working with his hands tied, so the owners need targeting.

Forget getting behind the team cr@p that people keep coming out with, we’re relegated already in my book, and no amount of support from the terraces can impact on that.

Winston you need to get with it.

Those 19 were MORONS and NOT fans.

A few innocent bystanders also

[m1st]

I personally dont feel the hatred towards Kean many do, look at the players he says he wanted to sign, Witsel, Cisse etc and look what we ended up with, having said that Kean has no self respect of humility, I would have walked ages ago and left these owners that have screwed every possible penny out of the club out to hang, many people want to Kean to go because they want an experienced man at the helm, I can say this without any doubt they would promote the no2 instead of paying, (we cant even play our squad of players because of financial reasons unknown)

The owners have killed our once great family club and are now using it as a financial tool and will continue to do so while the big bucks keep rolling in, if we go down sooner or later they will sell but if we stay up they will continue to milk every penny they can and sell any player that can make profit on.

The future is not bright and there is no knight in shining armour, go down and we may dissapear, stay up and we will go down the year after.

I wonder if you'd accept the above edit, beerwins? I'm afraid that since his visit to Macclesfield Court, I find great difficulty in believing the man.