[Archived] What's tha story on Venky's being at Ewood last night?

[Rover_Shaun]

5. Not true. I'm informed that the next sponsor is a telecommunications company.

Ooooh the irony !!!!!!!!

[Steve Moss]

Ok MG Road, I will bite. Some answer's would be appreciated as would these questions being passed on higher up. For the purpose of these question Venk'ys refers to either the company as an whole or individual owner family members

1) FOR MG- Why no comment on Kean being on the board of BRFC that is on this thread , yet you choose to answer other questions. ?

2)Why is Kean unsackable, do Venky's as a company reward failure? reward inciting and abusing customers? reward telling lie after lie ?

3) Will Kean be rewarded with a new contract for getting the club relegated?

4) What are they going to use the big cash payday money for at the end of the season, surely using just 2 million of it to get rid of Kean will be the best money they ever spent, just a word of advice don't pay extra for a gagging clause because he will break it. Any man that uses his wife and children to hide his failings can not be trusted.

5) It was rumoured that one potential sponsor that was turned down was an alcohol company because it did not fit the company profile ,which seems strange considering Venky's have fully supported a convicted drink driver - why?

6) Can you confirm that Venky's have instructed their new super agent friend to find clubs for saleable Rovers players at the end of the season.

7) Why are Venky's London Limited continuing to contract PR work regarding BRFC to a company that is more interested in protecting Steve Kean and abusing BRFC customers than in enhancing the reputation of BRFC and Venky's london Ltd, in fact some of the PR spin has shed Venky's in a very unflattering light whilst promoting super hero Kean.

8) As a family orientated company, do Venky's agree with Children being "searched" on instruction from the head of Security at BRFC ?

9) Do any of the following own or were offered shares or part ownership in Venky's London Limited and therefore Blackburn Rovers Football Club or any other Venky's company?

a)Steve Kean or any company or person associated with him or b Jerome Anderson or one of his many companies c) Kentaro or any individual employee or associate of that company

10) How much money have Venky's London Ltd and hence BRFC invested in Hitlab .com?

11)Do Venky's as a company see their running of BRFC as a success?

12) Do Venky's care that thousands of supporters will not be renewing season tickets or attending matches?

13)Do Venky's care that their reputation is taking a battering , some justified ,some as part of a mud slinging campaign to protect Kean and his associates.

14) Do Venky's get their information from only from people inside the club or do they try to get information from independent sources.

15) Are Venky's aware that there are only 4 games left and we currently sit 19th in the league table ? Regardless of what Kean has said finishing 18th and below is not better than finishing 17th or above.

16) Is relegation part of this big plan that we keep hearing about?

17) Are Venky's aware of the smear campaign instigated from within the club against it's supporters (customers) and do they agree with this?

18) Why do Venky's continue to shun any attempt for journalists to contact them to give their side of the story?

Ok. All answers are just my opinion. If I don't answer something, it's because I simply don't know, and my spreading more rumours won't help.

1. He isn't

2. At this point I guess they feel that a shiity manager is better than none at all. There's not exactly a queue of experienced EPL managers banging on the door looking for his position.

3. He'll very likely get another contract with BRFC. But it won't as manager of the 1st team.

4. I guess the money will be spent according to what league we'll be playing in next year.

5. Not true. I'm informed that the next sponsor is a telecommunications company.

6. They have a new super agent friend? This is news to me (Along with anything regarding him/her).

7. The whole PR situation at the moment is as perplexing to everybody here (Outside the family) as it is over there. Why is a PR company sticking up for Kean - Why wouldn't they - Surely it's their job?

8. I don't speak for the company (As I've said many times) but surely it's a case of either everybody gets searched, or nobody does.

BRB. Will finish this later.

In follow up to:

1. Who is on the board? And what decisions do they make?

2. I suspect that is more a function of Venkys' terms of employment than anything else. There are many highly qualified managers looking for employment. Apparently, they aren't interested in working for Venkys, which implies a lot.

3. Are you serious? Does Venkys have any clue how Kean is viewed? Incompetent, despicable and despised is only scratching the surface of my own beliefs, and those closer to Blackburn proper likely have more heated views. Why do they continually associate themselves with him? Kean equates to Venkys in the eyes of many. And based on some of the responses, I'm beginning to believe there is a lot of truth to that view.

4. In other words, Kean will remain in a job (why?) and Venkys will try to do things on the cheap (likely with disastrous results) once again. And I say this as a man who has no problem with Venkys retiring debt. I think it is one of the few rumored positives of their regime. The method and speed in which they've chosen to retire the debt speaks volumes, however.

5. I think you missed the tense of the question, and well as the implied hypocrisy on the part of Venkys. Did Venkys turn down an alcohol company as a sponsor last year? If so, why have they continued to support a convicted drink driver?

6. Papers report Zahavi has taken over the role of JA as "agent-advisor". Is that accurate?

7. In what business model is it the Rovers (or any businesses) PR company's job to stick up for the manager? In India, do Venkys pay for PR for its factory managers or the Venkys' brand? What you seem to acknowledge only makes sense if you believe manager = club, which is a massive error. More to the point, since when has ANY football club's PR company engaged in a campaign to divide, alienate and ridicule the club's own supporters? It might help the manager feel better to know that someone is standing up to those bullying supporters (please!) but it clearly demonstrates who is in control- the manager, not the board. It does tremendous and likely irreparable damage to the club.

8. I don't know what information you have access to or how filtered it is, but reports suggest this is not the case.

9. though 18. I eagerly await your response.

[roverandout]

steve are you talking about the debt going down? well if you are it isnt out of their own money that they are reducing the debt but from the club, ie selling our best defender samba, so they dont deserve any credit for that

[JAL]

What on earth is MG. going on about by Kean getting a new contract but not as the first team manager .

How damaging for the future moral of the club, from its supporters to all of its employees that Kean should remain here for another second longer.

[OJRovers]

MG, thanks for the answers so far.

I'd add a couple more questions;

19. Has BRFC moved to State Bank of India for its banking? If so why? Do the VH Group use SBI in India?

20. Do the owners appreciate that the on-going procession of talented/experienced players leaving the club Emerton, Diouf, Samba, Nelsen, Roberts, Salgado, Givet(?) have been replaced by Steve Kean spending money on BAD/Average signings, most of who DON'T EVEN PLAY; Petrovic, Goodwillie, Anderson, Riberio, Vuckevic,Modeste, Rochina.

[Stuart]

7.I found this answer stange, so the company charged with public relations for Blackburn Rovers is really charged with protecting Steve Kean regardless of it creating bad PR for Venky's, the club and its supporters? what exactly does Kean and his associates have on the Rao's for them to allow themselves to be discredited to save Kean?

Great point, Perth.

It's like the PR company for a global soft drink manufacturer promoting the virtues of a potentially carcinogenic ingredient instead of replacing it.

PR should be about the product or service you are selling, not protecting a, potentially enterprise-ending, faulty component - just because it's cheap. It's not as though it's a trade secret!

Good grief.

[Wiggy]

If the Raos' knew anything about what is happening in the UK they would know that replacing the ludicrous Steve Kean would probably save them losing in the thousands of season ticket holders.

Even, if by now they don't realise that this chancer has NO qualities or attributes conducive to being a football manager, just what do they think of his activities this week?

He rows with the best defender at the club, drops him from a crucial match and then is economical with the truth to the football media.

Then, in the week that the club is in the last chance saloon as far as Premiership survival goes, is he at Brockhall preparing for the crucial fixture against Norwich?

No, he spends Monday on a speaking engagement in Glasgow, then on Tuesday jets off to Germany on a jolly to watch a totally irrelevant (to him and us) football match.

Strewth, this nomark's not only taking the p1ss out of Blackburn Rovers....he's taking the p1ss out of the Raos' as well!

[67splitscreen]

MG, thanks for the answers so far.

I'd add a couple more questions;

19. Has BRFC moved to State Bank of India for its banking? If so why? Do the VH Group use SBI in India?

20. Do the owners appreciate that the on-going procession of talented/experienced players leaving the club Emerton, Diouf, Samba, Nelsen, Roberts, Salgado, Givet(?) have been replaced by Steve Kean spending money on BAD/Average signings, most of who DON'T EVEN PLAY; Petrovic, Goodwillie, Anderson, Riberio, Vuckevic,Modeste, Rochina.

Venlys India certainly do! one of three I'd imagine VH group use the same.

[yoda]

Great point, Perth.

It's like the PR company for a global soft drink manufacturer promoting the virtues of a potentially carcinogenic ingredient instead of replacing it.

PR should be about the product or service you are selling, not protecting a, potentially enterprise-ending, faulty component - just because it's cheap. It's not as though it's a trade secret!

Good grief.

Ford USA tried it with the Pinto!

[philipl]

MG Road's answers are 100% consistent with my understanding of the situation for the benefit of those who doubt his bona fides- not that it makes me happy with the answers.

The implication of using the State Bank of India is that assets in India are now being pledged to support Rovers' relegation. Is this bonkers or what?

[Andy]

So Kean to maybe get a new (probably further inflated) salary and job role (Director of Football?!) as reward for utter and unmitigated incompetence, lies and intentionally discrediting both the owners and, more importantly the fans, for his own gain?

Makes great sense.

A man with any pride, morals or self worth wouldn't...ah, yeah, it's Steve Kean we're talking about, isn't it?

[67splitscreen]

MG Road's answers are 100% consistent with my understanding of the situation for the benefit of those who doubt his bona fides- not that it makes me happy with the answers.

The implication of using the State Bank of India is that assets in India are now being pledged to support Rovers' relegation. Is this bonkers or what?

With seven branches in the UK, would they need to risk Indian assets, if Barclays are on the way out, would they not just reassign all existing securities to SDI UK. Two registrations at Companies House.

[philipl]

With seven branches in the UK, would they need to risk Indian assets, if Barclays are on the way out, would they not just reassign all existing securities to SDI UK. Two registrations at Companies House.

There is a copy of an employee's wage slip on another thread.

They used a branch in Rajastan to pay the Rovers staff.

Come on, we all know what British banks are like- Barclays won't reassign any security until they are 100% totally set to rights by the Venky's, with a farewell fee paid for old times' sakes...

[Steve Moss]

steve are you talking about the debt going down? well if you are it isnt out of their own money that they are reducing the debt but from the club, ie selling our best defender samba, so they dont deserve any credit for that

Which is why I expressed concern about the method and speed of repayment. I would have preferred it being retired by personal assets. If that isn't feasible, then player sales are fine, but only if done with due regard for the security of the club and securing adequate cover. Which apparently didn't happen.

The implication of using the State Bank of India is that assets in India are now being pledged to support Rovers' relegation. Is this bonkers or what?

Leaving aside the judgement component of the question, wouldn't Venkys willingness to pledge Indian assets indicate a desire to ensure Rovers are provided for? It is, after all, the location of the vast bulk of their wealth.

[John]

Blackburn wants its Rovers back but are Venky's set on destruction?

[Guest]

9) Do any of the following own or were offered shares or part ownership in Venky's London Limited and therefore Blackburn Rovers Football Club or any other Venky's company?

a)Steve Kean or any company or person associated with him or b Jerome Anderson or one of his many companies c) Kentaro or any individual employee or associate of that company

10) How much money have Venky's London Ltd and hence BRFC invested in Hitlab .com?

11)Do Venky's as a company see their running of BRFC as a success?

12) Do Venky's care that thousands of supporters will not be renewing season tickets or attending matches?

13)Do Venky's care that their reputation is taking a battering , some justified ,some as part of a mud slinging campaign to protect Kean and his associates.

14) Do Venky's get their information from only from people inside the club or do they try to get information from independent sources.

15) Are Venky's aware that there are only 4 games left and we currently sit 19th in the league table ? Regardless of what Kean has said finishing 18th and below is not better than finishing 17th or above.

16) Is relegation part of this big plan that we keep hearing about?

17) Are Venky's aware of the smear campaign instigated from within the club against it's supporters (customers) and do they agree with this?

18) Why do Venky's continue to shun any attempt for journalists to contact them to give their side of the story?

Ok. I'll try to get some more of these done.

9. No. Neither Kean nor Kentaro own any part of BRFC or Venky's London.

10. An agreement has been reached (To the best of my knowledge it's in the very low millions of dollars) but no money has changed hands yet. No funds were taken out of BRFC.

11. No. They're in a deep rut and they know it. On a couple of occasions people on the street here have said that they're glad that things are going so well, only for family members to tell them that things are going very badly.

12. Yes they do. Various people have tried telling them that damage would be limited if they'd only start communicating with the fans - to no avail.

13. The whole point of buying BRFC was to enhance the companies reputation and status. It does bother them that not only isn't this happening, it's making things worse. I'm only guessing but I don't think they mind taking a bit of bad PR if it takes the focus off of Kean and the team, and lets them get on with their work.

14. Information on what?

15. They are very aware of our league position. Most people are scared to mention the 'R' word to them but I've heard them discuss it amongst themselves and they are (quietly) hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.

16. I hope so because IMO that's where we're heading.

17. There is no smear campaign (I know many of you will disagree with this). No newspapers, TV channels etc have ever been instructed to insult or make the fans look bad in any way. But with the family not talking, the media have to sell news, and the fans are the only things left to talk about.

18. I honestly don't know. At the moment it's paying off regarding the media (see above) but will cripple us next year when the fans don't show up for matches (ironically Steve Kean will be gone by then).

And yet they left early because of safety concerns?

Again - No they didn't. There were other reasons.

the only reason they didn't get a hostile reaction is because most people didn't realise they were there. Balaji was so worried about being seen he shaved his head to avoid detection.

No he didn't. His head-shaving is part of his religion.

egg zack lee!!!!

TELL YOU WHAT MG TELL THESE DISSILLUSIONED PILLOCKS TO COME ON THE PITCH AND WAVE TO THE CROWD IN EITHER OF THE NEXT TWO HOME MATCHES AND THEN LET THE WALTER MITTYY IDIOTS GUAUGE THE TRUE EWOOD FEEELING TOWARDS THEM....

BET THEY DARE NOT!!!

1000% CORRECT

Nice to see you too fatty. Failed O level maths and English huh?

[cn174]

15. They are very aware of our league position. Most people are scared to mention the 'R' word to them but I've heard them discuss it amongst themselves and they are (quietly) hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.

Why resort to hope, they had power to do something about it and chose not to. And what if 'the best' does happen? then what, we just toddle into next season in the same fashion?

17. There is no smear campaign (I know many of you will disagree with this). No newspapers, TV channels etc have ever been instructed to insult or make the fans look bad in any way. But with the family not talking, the media have to sell news, and the fans are the only things left to talk about.

Well maybe the papers haven't been instructed to, but kean does like to get in a dig at any given opportunity. And that's worse. Newspapers etc aren't under the Venkys control and will say what they want, but Kean is and again they've chosen not to do anything about the verbal diarrhea that comes out of his mouth!

[glen9mullan]

Ok. I'll try to get some more of these done.

9. No. Neither Kean nor Kentaro own any part of BRFC or Venky's London.

10. An agreement has been reached (To the best of my knowledge it's in the very low millions of dollars) but no money has changed hands yet. No funds were taken out of BRFC.

11. No. They're in a deep rut and they know it. On a couple of occasions people on the street here have said that they're glad that things are going so well, only for family members to tell them that things are going very badly.

12. Yes they do. Various people have tried telling them that damage would be limited if they'd only start communicating with the fans - to no avail.

13. The whole point of buying BRFC was to enhance the companies reputation and status. It does bother them that not only isn't this happening, it's making things worse. I'm only guessing but I don't think they mind taking a bit of bad PR if it takes the focus off of Kean and the team, and lets them get on with their work.

14. Information on what?

15. They are very aware of our league position. Most people are scared to mention the 'R' word to them but I've heard them discuss it amongst themselves and they are (quietly) hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.

16. I hope so because IMO that's where we're heading.

17. There is no smear campaign (I know many of you will disagree with this). No newspapers, TV channels etc have ever been instructed to insult or make the fans look bad in any way. But with the family not talking, the media have to sell news, and the fans are the only things left to talk about.

18. I honestly don't know. At the moment it's paying off regarding the media (see above) but will cripple us next year when the fans don't show up for matches (ironically Steve Kean will be gone by then).

Again - No they didn't. There were other reasons.

No he didn't. His head-shaving is part of his religion.

Nice to see you too fatty. Failed O level maths and English huh?

Thanks for answering those questions as honest and to the best of your knowledge that you possibly could

[Guest]

2. I've told you this before but like your employers you just don't bloody listen.

i. Managers don't come a knocking on owners doors asking to be the next manager when there is one in place (that's Kean - like he's a real "manager" ). It's called etiquette (you / they might need to Google that. Then again I presume you don't have Google otherwise you wouldn't have made the decisions that have been made, unless you / they're really, really stupid.

ii. Who in their right mind would work for Venky's? Let's sell all the best players! Let's have a decison making process carried out by people who don't know anything about football! Let's lose our entire scouting network because again we don't know what we're doing! Let's employ a football Agent to advise us! Good grief - they're an absolute embarassment to themselves!

3. Excellent. Good to see Venkys reward abject failure. Everyone will be delighted.

Finally - when are they coming back over? Everyone's dying to see them. The football's crap though. That's their fault.

One question for you. Are they aware that they (and kean) are absolutely despised by the fans? I mean they must be. Again, no one in the world is this stupid are they? (I get the feeling you're about to tell me they are).

I listen. And I remember your post very well.

They know that some fans don't like them. But that doesn't stop the ones who do from asking for autographs/photos with them etc.

[Waggy76]

I listen. And I remember your post very well.

They know that some fans don't like them. But that doesn't stop the ones who do from asking for autographs/photos with them etc.

Will you stop ,taking the PI$$ ! Please..

[Mattyblue]

I listen. And I remember your post very well.

They know that some fans don't like them. But that doesn't stop the ones who do from asking for autographs/photos with them etc.

do they think those that don't like them are a minority?

[funny-old-game]

Ok. I'll try to get some more of these done.

9. No. Neither Kean nor Kentaro own any part of BRFC or Venky's London.

10. An agreement has been reached (To the best of my knowledge it's in the very low millions of dollars) but no money has changed hands yet. No funds were taken out of BRFC.

11. No. They're in a deep rut and they know it. On a couple of occasions people on the street here have said that they're glad that things are going so well, only for family members to tell them that things are going very badly.

12. Yes they do. Various people have tried telling them that damage would be limited if they'd only start communicating with the fans - to no avail.

13. The whole point of buying BRFC was to enhance the companies reputation and status. It does bother them that not only isn't this happening, it's making things worse. I'm only guessing but I don't think they mind taking a bit of bad PR if it takes the focus off of Kean and the team, and lets them get on with their work.

14. Information on what?

15. They are very aware of our league position. Most people are scared to mention the 'R' word to them but I've heard them discuss it amongst themselves and they are (quietly) hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.

16. I hope so because IMO that's where we're heading.

17. There is no smear campaign (I know many of you will disagree with this). No newspapers, TV channels etc have ever been instructed to insult or make the fans look bad in any way. But with the family not talking, the media have to sell news, and the fans are the only things left to talk about.

18. I honestly don't know. At the moment it's paying off regarding the media (see above) but will cripple us next year when the fans don't show up for matches (ironically Steve Kean will be gone by then).

Again - No they didn't. There were other reasons.

No he didn't. His head-shaving is part of his religion.

Nice to see you too fatty. Failed O level maths and English huh?

18. I honestly don't know. At the moment it's paying off regarding the media (see above) but will cripple us next year when the fans don't show up for matches (ironically Steve Kean will be gone by then).

So Kean will be SACKED if we go down, is that what you are saying?

[bob fleming]

I listen. And I remember your post very well.

They know that some fans don't like them. But that doesn't stop the ones who do from asking for autographs/photos with them etc.

Any chance you could answer some of the points / questions in my post?

[Guest]

MG thanks for answering so far, but raises more questions

2&3. So it is true Kean is unsackable , could you answer why? what does he or his associates know?

5. Is this dependant on the club retaining it's premiership status, is it a UK company and of what size?

6. Pinhas "Pini" Zahavi

7.I found this answer stange, so the company charged with public relations for Blackburn Rovers is really charged with protecting Steve Kean regardless of it creating bad PR for Venky's, the club and its supporters? what exactly does Kean and his associates have on the Rao's for them to allow themselves to be discredited to save Kean?

8.Appreciate you do not speak for the company but in the UK there are strong Child Protection laws. This is astonishing if the club and Venky's as a company condones this kind of action.

2&3. At the moment I believe we'd have to pay him 2million to leave. Venky's would pay that in a heartbeat if that was the total expenditure. Unfortunately his potential replacement would also want millions more. And the few who have shown interest have wanted to replace all of the training coaching staff with their own people - more money again. It's just not there to spend.

He doesn't 'know' anything which is keeping him in a job (pun intended). It's purely down to finances.

5. Honestly... I don't think it'll happen. No it's not a UK company.

6. Thanks for that. I'll keep my ears open should the name pop up around here. I've just Googled his pic - Can't say I've ever seen him here.

7. As I said before. He has nothing 'on' them. But Venky's are willing to take some 'stick' if it means taking the focus off of Kean and letting him and the team get on with their jobs.

8. I lived in the UK for some years. I read the statement from the Police and they said that no children were searched. I've also traveled with the Rao family through many airports - They (nor any other passenger) have never complained about a child being searched.

Ooooh the irony !!!!!!!!

LOL

[cn174]

2&3. At the moment I believe we'd have to pay him 2million to leave. Venky's would pay that in a heartbeat if that was the total expenditure. Unfortunately his potential replacement would also want millions more. And the few who have shown interest have wanted to replace all of the training coaching staff with their own people - more money again. It's just not there to spend.

He doesn't 'know' anything which is keeping him in a job (pun intended). It's purely down to finances.

So why exactly did they give him a new contract in the summer/start of the season for no good reason? We could've fobbed him off for barely nowt this time last year (after he'd already proved he was incompetent) but again they chose not to.