[Archived] Steve Kean's Future Set To Be Discussed

[jannerman]

With inherited wealth often comes a wildly detached view of the world.

Remember the clubs owners are from a wealthy background in a country where the gulf between rich and poor is a whole lot more than here in blighty - I don't have to go into great detail but the conditions in the outsourced UK call centres should tell you all you need to know about what the lower classes have to put up with, but also how the rich feel about them, and those places are "nice" compared to conditions on the streets. In any case, put yourself [i know, I know!] in their position, you're rich, you were raised so, never needing to graft for anything, given all you need/want, detached from the hardship, poverty and filth in the world - big houses, well-manicured gardens, food, cars, riches.

Compare that to the majority of us supporters, most of us will know what it's like to scrape a living, or go without, or have to reach for things. I currently have a car that's approaching 80,000 miles - I commute 500 miles a week - I'd really like a new one but I only have a couple of grand in the bank. Sure, it's not like it was in the 70s or 80s with 15% interest rates, no mobiles/computers/internet, and so on, but I know what hardship is and I know how to work hard to keep my head above water.

I'd argue that these guys simply don't have the first clue about business! It's the parents company, the parents wealth. We have what is in essence a bunch of spoilt kids arguing over a toy.

I also think that the business acumen isn't something that just appears, it's learned, earned if you will. And this lot simply don't demonstrate a whole lot of it. If the company were a start-up it'd have sunk without a trace a long time ago, but from what I can see it's an established business, and running those into the ground takes time, even if you are totally incompetent, your board(s), manager(s), workforce will effectively slow the process of total destruction with their "awkward" pride and work ethic. What a horror story.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it is plausible, to me, that the owners may genuinely be in a state of confusion, they may have just picked the wrong people to trust. I don't really pay too much attention to any of the rumours about ownership issues or shady elements pulling the strings in the background, but all of the dithering is strangling the club and it's a grave concern that they don't realise it.

A "proper" structure is required, John Williams saw it, Paul Hunt did too, and look what happened to them - so it's clear their opinions are being heard, just not generating the desired response. With more respect than he is due, Steve Kean is simply an elevated coach, I've worked with plenty of people, in some cases even good people, that have been elevated due to circumstances, and unless they're really lucky or incredibly clever they simply don't get on because they're not ready or prepared or supported - the fox in the hen house.

It's a shame that administration didn't happen this season, am I right in thinking that if that happened the administrators would come in, take over and look for someone to take on the debt thus freeing the club from the current incumbents in short order? No matter what you might think BRFC is still a desirable club and business, and with the right backing could be a perfectly well-run entity.

As the weeks have passed I've entered into the same haze that a lot of folk on here have, it's not "my" club any more, it's something else now, the spirit is still there, lurking, hidden and beaten down, but I simply can't see how anyone involved can be happy with what's happening at the moment, it all sounds like such a big shambles!

I've even tried to disengage, but as long as I've been a football fan I've been a Rovers fan, so I can't quit now, but it sure as hell is testing my resolve.

Lets just hope that there's some good news around the corner? We probably all need something to bring us up right now!

[SharrockDownSouth]

But they'll sack den!

This is why I miss the +1 button.

[den]

But they'll sack den!

They would as well.

Anyway, maybe we should co-sign it "Kean and Agnew", then post it off to Mrs D. That might be our best hope.

If anyone wants to forward the post on somewhere - who knows where - feel free. Can't think of anywhere myself.

[arealbrfcfan]

I could have sworn I'd seen Venkatesh before somewhere...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5UEZYeSVqA

ha ha! hilarious!!

[A cup of beans]

They would as well.

Anyway, maybe we should co-sign it "Kean and Agnew", then post it off to Mrs D. That might be our best hope.

If anyone wants to forward the post on somewhere - who knows where - feel free. Can't think of anywhere myself.

Where/ who did the 'Kean Petition' get sent to ? Use that contact again.. maybe ?

Also should send it to all the significant Indian Newspapers and News Channels.

They'd lap it up!

[arealbrfcfan]

So will next season's shirt sponsor be Confused.com?

[Guest SuperAgentJB]

If only the Rao's understood how different football is in modern business.

We, as fans, stakeholders etc have witnessed first hand the ever changing world of the football, particularly the EPL since its inception. The platform is continuously reforming to the extent the teams at the top of the league spend more and more every season to win silverware. The mid table teams are constantly changing because of an increase in quality players/coaches/facilities adding to the completive nature of the sport backed by science. Throughout the football league, owners are throwing money at their clubs to get a slice of the action. Those who fail to move, go backwards. It is as simple as that.

Venketesh Rao. Making decisions over weeks, months or even years is criminal in the football industry. The teams that improve make the right decision 7 or 8 times out of 10. Before your tenancy, John Williams was adored by the Ewood faithful. He also hired Paul Ince. His decision to sack him resulted in us retaining our top flight status. He made a mistake but acted swiftly to rectify it.

If you leave this decision a month, you will be damage the chances of an immediate return. Sport is about taking on your opponents, trying to improve. By waiting in this industry you are stagnating.

When Sam Allardyce was sacked, you mentioned that transfers had been going wrong. I believe this is the quote;

"But to get nine or 10 wrong is not good and things have been going wrong with transfers, that's a fact."

I implore you to use your own advice. Make fast decision, aim for the high percentages of correct decisions. The fans, BRSIT, Paul Hunt, Andy Cryer, My Nan etc WILL only give you advice which is in the best interests of the club. As the owners, it is also in your best interests that Blackburn Rovers is successful.

Please take our advice.

[blueboy3333]

Me neither, thought it was just a couple of smack heads in the 80's who tried that. But no. [b]Edith Rigby from Preston[/b] according to google. She'd have been better off just putting the kettle on if you ask me.

Anyway, has Kean gone on his holidays yet?

There's a blue plaque on the house she used to live in. I'm going round and leaving the iron on. Fight fire with fire...

[RoyRover]

"you fought against anyone who dared tell you to change"

That's the line that stood out most to me. John Williams and Paul Hunt left/were fired because they desperately made attempts for Venky's to make the necessary changes for Rovers to survive. These attempts were ignored and these men are no longer with the club. The fans have openly protested and have asked for meetings or some form of communication from the owners. Several attempts have been made by the club to quash the protests, while the owners have point blank refused to listen to anything we have said or communicate on any level.

The things that Paul Hunt, John Williams and the fans told the owners would happen with Steve Kean in charge have come to pass. Yet the one person they refuse to get rid of is the very man that took the club down. How can their be any confusion over that? How can it take you a month to decide what is happening with the clubs future? The sheer neglect and indecisiveness shown by the owners over the last 18 months still continues and is what will take this club even further down the football ladder.

[Ferrit]

He spends his money on something that he does not understand, and then "mismanages" it to the point where it is disfunctional and employees could lose their jobs and 20,000 plus fans are calling for him to leave.

Based on those "facts", I would say he's a complete arsehole.

Any objections ?

Couldn't have said it any better myself, bravo.

[bob fleming]

Fight fire with fire...

She's had it coming. Mind you, she wouldn't have done a worse job than the V's - and she tried to burn the place down. At least it would have been quick.

[Steve Moss]

The things that Paul Hunt, John Williams and the fans told the owners would happen with Steve Kean in charge have come to pass. Yet the one person they refuse to get rid of is the very man that took the club down. How can their be any confusion over that? How can it take you a month to decide what is happening with the clubs future? The sheer neglect and indecisiveness shown by the owners over the last 18 months still continues and is what will take this club even further down the football ladder.

This sums up why I believe Venkys must be either incompetent (at least as to the running of football clubs) or corrupt. They've been given the necessary information from multiple professional people at different times (John Williams, Ian C, Ian B, and Paul Hunt to name 4 off the top of my head). The fans have been screaming the same things all season.

They ignored it all and persisted in employing a man whose points per game was clearly not good enough, and who seems to tell whopper after whopper and enjoys winding up the supporters. I don't get it. What is there to be confused or surprised about?

[thenodrog]

Empty effin words! A blind man on a galloping horse could see that that venketash is absolutely and completely bloody clueless. Body language suggests that he/they simply don't know where to turn next.

[broadsword]

Empty effin words! A blind man on a galloping horse could see that that venketash is absolutely and completely bloody clueless. Body language suggests that he/they simply don't know where to turn next.

Why don't they just bloody sell then?

They'll have to cut their losses at some stage, better to do it now.

[Sysagent]

He spends his money on something that he does not understand, and then "mismanages" it to the point where it is disfunctional and employees could lose their jobs and 20,000 plus fans are calling for him to leave.

Based on those "facts", I would say he's a complete arsehole.

This ^

[Waggy76]

Why don't they just bloody sell then?

They'll have to cut their losses at some stage, better to do it now.

Maybe they have to consult their agent , before any decision can be made ?

[Hasta]

Meanwhile season tickets for 2012/2013 still not priced up and still not for sale.

[NookRover]

Can we send that post by Den as an open letter somewhere? I don't know to who but someone on this board must have an idea of the correct outlets.

Seconded!

[Majiball]

With inherited wealth often comes a wildly detached view of the world.

Remember the clubs owners are from a wealthy background in a country where the gulf between rich and poor is a whole lot more than here in blighty - I don't have to go into great detail but the conditions in the outsourced UK call centres should tell you all you need to know about what the lower classes have to put up with, but also how the rich feel about them, and those places are "nice" compared to conditions on the streets. In any case, put yourself [i know, I know!] in their position, you're rich, you were raised so, never needing to graft for anything, given all you need/want, detached from the hardship, poverty and filth in the world - big houses, well-manicured gardens, food, cars, riches.

Compare that to the majority of us supporters, most of us will know what it's like to scrape a living, or go without, or have to reach for things. I currently have a car that's approaching 80,000 miles - I commute 500 miles a week - I'd really like a new one but I only have a couple of grand in the bank. Sure, it's not like it was in the 70s or 80s with 15% interest rates, no mobiles/computers/internet, and so on, but I know what hardship is and I know how to work hard to keep my head above water.

I'd argue that these guys simply don't have the first clue about business! It's the parents company, the parents wealth. We have what is in essence a bunch of spoilt kids arguing over a toy.

I also think that the business acumen isn't something that just appears, it's learned, earned if you will. And this lot simply don't demonstrate a whole lot of it. If the company were a start-up it'd have sunk without a trace a long time ago, but from what I can see it's an established business, and running those into the ground takes time, even if you are totally incompetent, your board(s), manager(s), workforce will effectively slow the process of total destruction with their "awkward" pride and work ethic. What a horror story.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it is plausible, to me, that the owners may genuinely be in a state of confusion, they may have just picked the wrong people to trust. I don't really pay too much attention to any of the rumours about ownership issues or shady elements pulling the strings in the background, but all of the dithering is strangling the club and it's a grave concern that they don't realise it.

A "proper" structure is required, John Williams saw it, Paul Hunt did too, and look what happened to them - so it's clear their opinions are being heard, just not generating the desired response. With more respect than he is due, Steve Kean is simply an elevated coach, I've worked with plenty of people, in some cases even good people, that have been elevated due to circumstances, and unless they're really lucky or incredibly clever they simply don't get on because they're not ready or prepared or supported - the fox in the hen house.

It's a shame that administration didn't happen this season, am I right in thinking that if that happened the administrators would come in, take over and look for someone to take on the debt thus freeing the club from the current incumbents in short order? No matter what you might think BRFC is still a desirable club and business, and with the right backing could be a perfectly well-run entity.

As the weeks have passed I've entered into the same haze that a lot of folk on here have, it's not "my" club any more, it's something else now, the spirit is still there, lurking, hidden and beaten down, but I simply can't see how anyone involved can be happy with what's happening at the moment, it all sounds like such a big shambles!

I've even tried to disengage, but as long as I've been a football fan I've been a Rovers fan, so I can't quit now, but it sure as hell is testing my resolve.

Lets just hope that there's some good news around the corner? We probably all need something to bring us up right now!

But their dad died in 1996.

So for the last 16 years, see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil, have increased Venky's in come massively creating a 1 billion pound empire. So the three monkeys have managed that, opening businesses in sectors & countries they had no experience in and yet have done well. Then they buy Rovers and get every move wrong? And then we have to consider all that's gone on top.

It just doesn't add up as at the end of the day. Stupid and naive people would never have lasted this long with their money and made the company what it is.

Something else is a foot.

[greco]

"oh they didnt know about relegation", "oh they are learning on the job", "oh they are in over their heads" etc etc etc. These are pitiful excuses.!

i remember thenodrog´s thread where he summed it up perfectly, that the V´s wont lose money on this "adventure" and probably all along knew that if something went wrong, they could easely get their money back.

As some poster stated in a previous post, the fit and proper test includes a course of action, in the case of staying in the premier league or relegation, so they damn well knew it all a long.

there are 2 options and those are: 1. these ###### are corrupt or 2. they just dont give flying (Please don't use that word again), as their investment wont lose them money.

this whole saga imo shows whats wrong with football, in the words of bryan "the ambassador" robson, football aint a sport no more, its a business. Imo thats the sympton of the disease, that is ruining the sport.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

"oh they didnt know about relegation", "oh they are learning on the job", "oh they are in over their heads" etc etc etc. These are pitiful excuses.!

i remember thenodrog´s thread where he summed it up perfectly, that the V´s wont lose money on this "adventure" and probably all along knew that if something went wrong, they could easely get their money back.

As some poster stated in a previous post, the fit and proper test includes a course of action, both in the case of staying in the premier league and relegation, so they damn well knew it all a long.

there are 2 options and those are: 1. these ###### are corrupt or 2. they just dont give flying (Please don't use that word again), as their investment wont lose them money.

this whole saga imo shows whats wrong with football, in the words of bryan "the ambassador" robson, football aint a sport no more, its a business. Imo that the sympton of the disease, that is ruining the sport.

Well said Greco, agree entirely.

Personally I would say that is a combination of option 1 & 2.

I would imagine that we will now hear very little from the club for the next month and will have to rely on tit bits of info from the ITK's. In a month's time when all the vermin now associated with the club have done what they want with us there will be some sort of announcement that Kean is staying on, everything is rosy, we are going to bounce back straight away etc. .

Such a terrible sense of helplessness - how has this happened and why are people letting it happen?

[BigBar]

Almost 200 pages on this topic alone and no one has a we don't like that word, please don't use it clue!!!!

Says it all!! WOW this situation is beyond believe...just fearing the day SSN breaking news pops up and its all about the corruption and illegality of the 'owners' of our once great club!!

[Majiball]

My link

[A cup of beans]

My link

Tony Parkes is slagging the fans now! He can sod off too!

I am reminded of Whittle Blues Video. Tony Parkes interview around the time Dalgish was appointed.

Search that. its a revealing insight and shows his selfless motives- to actually be selfish.

[Mattyblue]

Well he has a point, we can't have another season in which we spend the entire time at loggerheads with the manager- alas we probably will.

It annoys me more that he's spent decades at the club and still calls it 'Blackburn'.