[Archived] BRFC Action Group Open Floor Meeting with Shebby Singh

[Ewoodbhappy]

After further reflection on today's debacle (shebby likes that word), my opinion says we are goosed.

Imagine the debate/fight/discussion between shebby & Kean as to team player selection & tactics!

We have 2 super egotistical wannabes, making pivotal decisions, which will decide our clubs fate.

IMO neither should be anywhere near the club we all hold close to our hearts.

In short - its an f-in Mess!

For a second - place Jack Walker sat amongst the fans today. I could imagine him getting up sticking the microphones down Shebby's throat & saying get out of our club, get out of our town.

It makes no sense whatsoever for all his self proclaimed knowledge of football / player worth & him making decisions, whilst the ONLY thing we all know that matters is the removal of Kean.

The clean slate argument fits only one suit- that of Kean. IMO he can't be sacked.

We are being treated as the most stupid, gullible set of fans in England. We are expected to swallow more Venkys spin again & again.

Today I witnessed a showman, an ego who has no love or affiliation to BRFC, (been around here for 3 months?) spouting off like he knows more

than the collective THOUSANDS of years accumalitive knowledge of true loyal fans.

OUR CLUB is in for further heartache.

I admire the lads behind BRAG for all the effort put in thus far.

Reading some post's it obvious not everyone agrees with them, but collectively we need to take a deep breath, gather energy & fight for Blackburn Rovers.

[Tom]

Did he mention Dunn by name? Because if Pedersens legs have gone then dunn has to be gone for the same reason

[T.J.Newton]

Just on the MGP subject, saying what Shebby said is hardly going to make other teams interested in signing him

I think he was just making it clear to MGP and any other floaters in the team they all need to start performing or they will be off regardless of their reputation or past achievements, Kean should be getting this point across to the players in training but he is clearly to busy trying to be pally with everybody.

[Baz]

Did he mention Dunn by name? Because if Pedersens legs have gone then dunn has to be gone for the same reason

Said Dunn was one of our best players when in the final third of the pitch and wants to play him in the second striker role. We must have 7 players vying for that position.

[philipl]

It wouldn't astonish you if you'd actually seen him play recently.....what you're doing is just seeing his age and making assumptions based on your ill-informed "logic".

He's not really a journeyman either.....left Liverpool, went to Charlton for a while, briefly went to Spurs and didn't succeed like 75% of Spurs' players then spent about 5/6 seasons at Fulham and was a mainstay in their team.......he's a great player, his range of passing is quality and you'd know this if you'd seen him play recently.....and if you have and yet don't think he's a good player then you know nothing about football.

No doubting Murphy is class

BUT

1) he is no longer exactly mobile and he is coming into a team that was without legs until Kazeem was signed.

2) we don't have the players to cover him when the animals in the second division sort him out with a block tackle or worst

3) Murphy himself has a nasty temper so expect a sending off or three when he's getting treatment from the opposition

4) Bit of a sick note at times

5) Murphy is a Kean apologist so is hardly going to be an onfield leader when Kean's bungling means action needs taking on the pitch.

Murphy's limitations mean that MGP cannot be played at the same time as Murphy so MGP is being flushed away.

Murphy and Nzonzi might have been tasty at this level- cannot see any other midfielder combining that well with him. I am not an Etohu fan- let's juat say when we had a football team and a manager, seeing Etohu on the opposition team sheet meant there was a distinct weakness we could be expected to exploit.

[martonrover]

After further reflection on today's debacle (shebby likes that word), my opinion says we are goosed.

Imagine the debate/fight/discussion between shebby & Kean as to team player selection & tactics!

We have 2 super egotistical wannabes, making pivotal decisions, which will decide our clubs fate.

IMO neither should be anywhere near the club we all hold close to our hearts.

In short - its an f-in Mess!

For a second - place Jack Walker sat amongst the fans today. I could imagine him getting up sticking the microphones down Shebby's throat & saying get out of our club, get out of our town.

It makes no sense whatsoever for all his self proclaimed knowledge of football / player worth & him making decisions, whilst the ONLY thing we all know that matters is the removal of Kean.

The clean slate argument fits only one suit- that of Kean. IMO he can't be sacked.

We are being treated as the most stupid, gullible set of fans in England. We are expected to swallow more Venkys spin again & again.

Today I witnessed a showman, an ego who has no love or affiliation to BRFC, (been around here for 6months?) spouting off like he knows more

than the collective THOUSANDS of years accumalitive knowledge of true loyal fans.

OUR CLUB is in for further heartache.

It's crystal clear that Shebby wants Kean out so, like yourself, I don't buy the 'clean slate' stuff or the points targets. If Shebby had the power to sack Kean he would've done it and got his own man in place for the start of the season.

[grizfoot]

The comment about Pedersen having "lost his legs" is quite ironic considering we've signed two 36 year-olds this summer and we have David Dunn in our squad. Whilst he was right that Pedersen should be sold and got rid of I don't think it's anything to do with his lack of pace, he never had any pace to begin with. Lack of effort could be fair at times but I just think he has always lacked in aggression and sometimes reacting to danger when defending rather than anything to do with not putting effort in.

[readsi3k]

MGP was a total passenger at times last season and I agree with Shebby, although find the way he's come out like this unprofessional.

Whilst at matches, we used to distract attention away from the garbage we witnessed by playing a game where we'd give MGP a point when he did something positive, and take one off when he did something useless (there had to universal agreement too). I think his record negative score (they were always negative) was something like -16 at WBA away, where he got boo'd off by some Rovers fans (not myself - because what would that achieve?).

On the assist point - his set pieces are sometimes fantastic (when they aren't in the upper tier), but his outfield play is too poor to merit his inclusion on this alone. I was having this discussion last season, just when Dunn took set pieces in one game as MGP wasn't playing (can't remember which) and I he got an assist from a free kick. We are (or at least were when Samba was here) highly reliant on set pieces because our outfield play is too poor (the after effects of Allardyce) and I would expect a large number of our goals to come from set pieces regardless of who took them.

[chaddyrovers]

Pedersen is not a good centre midfielder player and hasn't got the pace to play wide so lets get rid.

He has been playing on his past reputation for at least 3 season. Set pieces are usually awful with the odd good one!

Anything said about outgoing transfers like Petrovic or Martin Olsson?

[philipl]

We cannot judge any Rovers player until we get a proper manager in.

Shabby's comments about MGP were extremely shabby.

[Ben-2000]

We cannot judge any Rovers player until we get a proper manager in.

Shabby's comments about MGP were extremely shabby.

Why? He was asked a direct question about him being on the transfer list.

He then gave the reasons.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I have no problem with the assessment of Pedersen, Shebby is spot on in that regard. However I do have a problem with him making it public at a time when you are trying to flog him, not a wise move at all. Going public should reduce the chances of a team coming in for him, or maybe even increase Pedersen's resolve to stay at the club to keep picking that wage up.

On the three games bit I will believe it when I see it, IMO it's more likely Shebby will go if results don't go well and not the manager.

[Brfcrule1]

I have just looked at that MGP part in the video I do think it is unprofessional as he has been a true loyal club legend over the years and has done some good things.

But for 3 years now he has been very average and Shebby is right we all probably know deep down he definitely can't run for 90 minutes so as a winger that renders him useless.

His set piece delivery has been shocking for 3 years now I have lost count the number of times his corners have hit the first man his set piece delivery has definitely got worse.

Shebby is right sometimes wingers can re-invent themselves as central midfielders but as his covering back in that role has been so slow.

The only thing in his favour was when he was able to throw it long into the box and someone like Samba/Nzonzi were tall enough and aggressive enough to head it home.

Now with Samba gone and no-one aggressive enough to head it home even they become redundant.

So if you look at his all round game he contributes very little to the cause and don't forget he has had many contract extensions and pay rises so gets paid handsomely to contribute very little.

At the end of the day you can't build a team around someone who has stayed loyal for x amount of years,and like Shebby I believe he has to go.

However I do believe Shebby could have gone about it differently pulled MGP to one side in private and said thanks for staying loyal and for all your hard work over the years but I'm afraid we are going to let you go that would have been a better way to go about things.

But I'm afraid everything he has said about MGP I think we all know deep down is true. Sad I know but a fact of life.

[47er]

So if we scab an odd draw here an odd win there the buffoon can now get away with not sacking him? Great

Even this plank might be able to cobble a 0-0 at home to Hull out

And the Kean lovers in the Press get to trot out what "intolerable pressure he was put under" before his Manager Of The Season exploits when he steers us into 13th position with the Championships most extravagant wage bill

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Dunno about 0-0--------3-3 possibly! I'm unclear as to whether Shebby was talking about the first 3 games or any 3 games in a row at any point in the season. But it's meaningless and shouldn't have been said. He should work this out with the owners in private not in public. The quest for cheap popularity won't solve our problems.

As Hardly said, we cannot now expect to get 3M for a pensioner so that comment was hurtful to Pedersen and was bad for the Club.

Not very bright.

The only positive thing to come out of this is that we have a man at the helm who thinks

Kean should go but the public outing of a massive divide within the Club is bad for our reputation and our chances of starting the season well. If Kean was any sort of man he'd walk but we all know he isn't.

Continuing instability as the Madhouse continues into a new season. We're not asking "do you think we'll be promoted", rather it's

"which lunatic will get the sack first?"

[bob fleming]

Why? He was asked a direct question about him being on the transfer list.

He then gave the reasons.

It's crap Ben, absolutely crap. No excuses. Pathetic even. The mans a joke and fits in well. 8 years service under several managers. Where's the bloody respect?

Who actually runs this sham of a football club? Ffs.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

I'm not a fan of Pedersen's performances on the pitch in recent seasons but what Shebby said was ridiculous but mostly disrespectful.....also stupid as we're trying to sell him......imagine Shebby speaking to other clubs after his agent has been trying to find him a new one.....having to explain what he meant by him losing his legs, not contributing to the team and who is past his sell-by-date.

[den]

Who actually runs this sham of a football club? Ffs.

Nobody Bob.

That's the truth isn't it? Lots of people doing what they want.

[Ben-2000]

I can understand the 'putting clubs off' comments raised on here re the Pedersen remarks, but we've wanted answers and communication for the last 2 years... now they are forthcoming (more importantly about Kean), people compain. I get the feeling it's a no-win situation.

[DE.]

There's a way to communicate professionally, and Shebby isn't it.

Venky's wouldn't know decency or professionalism if it smacked them in their ignorant faces. If this is their answer to communicate more it's probably best for all concerned if they just keep quiet and don't say anything.

[Tom]

I can understand the 'putting clubs off' comments raised on here re the Pedersen remarks, but we've wanted answers and communication for the last 2 years... now they are forthcoming (more importantly about Kean), people compain. I get the feeling it's a no-win situation.

There's being honest and there's acting in a professional manner, a tv pundit can do one but a man in a position of power should be doing both.

[mjs]

Just watched the SSN coverage of the forum.

Can only conclude that Shebby will be the fall guy and Kean's position will be strengthed as a result.

Heaven help us.

KEAN OUT

[jim mk2]

....he's a great player, his range of passing is quality and you'd know this if you'd seen him play recently.....

Murphy is not a "great" player. "Great" players are the likes of Platini, Beckenbauer, Best. Murphy by comparison with those players is a pygmy. Murphy was a good honest Premier League player and nothing more. He now a 35-year-old Championship plodder.

With regards to Singh I thought his remarks about Pedersen were appalling and should not have been made in public, and his "threat" to sack Kean meaningless. I doubt even Kean will lose 3 in a row this season which means we will limp through the season with the occasional win and draw under the present ill-starred incompetent incumbent.

It is sad state of affairs when the likes of Singh and Kean are "running" our club compared to the high calibre of people in charge on and off the field 20 months ago.

[FourLaneBlue]

I said a week ago, that he shouldn't be doing things like this. There's the professional way, then there's Shebby's way. Has Shebby improved the situation with this q&a session, made no difference at all, or made things worse? You decide, because I know what I think.

Well, it certainly hasn't made things worse. That would have been impossible. However, I don't see how it has made things better either.

The club is a joke. Just, not a very funny one.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Murphy is not a "great" player. "Great" players are the likes of Platini, Beckenbauer, Best. Murphy by comparison with those players is a pygmy. Murphy was a good honest Premier League player and nothing more. He now a 35-year-old Championship plodder.

The king of pedantry strikes again......I look forward to seeing a similar message next time someone describes Tugay or Friedel as "great" players.

[jim mk2]

Well, it certainly hasn't made things worse. That would have been impossible.

He's insulted a senior player and one of the best to have worn a Rovers shirt in the past 10 years, and he's threatened to sack the manager as a sop to appease supporters, and he's shown himself by his demeanour and statements to be unworthy of the position of power he claims to hold at the club.

That makes it worse for me.

The king of pedantry strikes again......I look forward to seeing a similar message next time someone describes Tugay or Friedel as "great" players.

Merely happy to correct you... again. .