[Archived] An Uneasy Truce

[Kelbo]

We are already doing poorly. It's only preseason I know but you can see poorly in lack of ideas and tactics, lack of formation, lack of shots against supposedly weaker opposition. Don't expect team to be up to match sharpness yet obviously but we have looked poor in the matches I've seen so far. It is, as said earlier, a continuation of the last 2 seasons and no amount of laying off Kean will make him any better and therein lies the problem. He has got worse, not better. If he could learn on the job and we could see even the slightest smidgeon of improvement in any aspect of his management we would by now have eased off. There is no improvement and the squad is significantly weaker. Nobody wants to ease up on Kean - why should they?

Wow Gumboots, for a woman your analysis is spot on To most people who make mistakes, they do learn from them but Kean doesn't, there has been no improvement and even today, despite midfielders and a defender being a priority, we are still looking at strikers and Kean cant organise a side either so we are worse than last year. In pre season, it is about fitness and preparation but also getting your game plan and organisation together and against very weak opposition, I have not seen evidence of any of those things, we look unfit, without purpose or organisation, to put it in your words as a teacher Gumboots, 'Must do Better'

[Sparky Marky]

We are already doing poorly. It's only preseason I know but you can see poorly in lack of ideas and tactics, lack of formation, lack of shots against supposedly weaker opposition. Don't expect team to be up to match sharpness yet obviously but we have looked poor in the matches I've seen so far. It is, as said earlier, a continuation of the last 2 seasons and no amount of laying off Kean will make him any better and therein lies the problem. He has got worse, not better. If he could learn on the job and we could see even the slightest smidgeon of improvement in any aspect of his management we would by now have eased off. There is no improvement and the squad is significantly weaker. Nobody wants to ease up on Kean - why should they?

This.

In past friendlies at Accy its been a case of how many we'd score.....now we can't even create against these poor teams.

[Relegation]

Last season when it became clear he wouldnt get sacked after surviving the last game i said we have to give him a chance since after all he not going. I would give him until november. By october i had changed my mind, and im not doing the same mistake again.

Agree with some before me, wouldnt call ewood hostile at all compared to scenes in italy, turkey and probably 50 other countries.

Has there been any pair of shoes thrown at steven yet? Seats? bottles? no, only a season ticket.

[blue_n_white99]

Kean is a lying, deceitful turd. There is a quote I can't remember the exact phrase but it goes something like:

For evil men to prosper all it takes is for good men to do nothing

So far Coco has prospered, I say fekk him and the circus he represents

[Kelbo]

Kean is a lying, deceitful turd. There is a quote I can't remember the exact phrase but it goes something like:

For evil men to prosper all it takes is for good men to do nothing

So far Coco has prospered, I say fekk him and the circus he represents

Never a truer word and despite what some of the Kean lovers say, Kean is evil in the manner in which he has on so many occassions, antagonised Rovers supporters, laughed in their faces whilst lining his pockets for being totally incompetent!

[John]

In answer to the thread, I don't think there can ever be a truce, Kean is too much of a vile individual - win, lose or draw, a lot of people hold so much hatred what for what he, and his agent, have done to our once proud football club.

Or course, the so called owners are no better but they are all to blame.

[Mattyblue]

Venky's have already thrown a lot of money away on the club, it's not in their best interests to lose games.

Have they?

[Ferrit]

Provided Shebby is made aware of the fans 'willingness' to call a truce for the good of Blackburn Rovers, is it time to, temporarily, STOP the matchday Kean Out / Venkys Out chants?

You mean like they were stopped earlier in the season for the good of the club?... yes, because that helped on the pitch.

[roverandout]

sorry miker, i dont recall venkys ever throwing money at the club, maybe draining the club but any money they have put it hasn't been out of their own pockets. I could forgive them for that if they had done what they should have and sacked kean.

[martonrover]

What pressure ffs? If the chanting on globally-televised live premiership games had no effect, chanting by half as many fans in a half empty ground where the only press is Cryer will definitely scare the bejesus out of them in Pune.

The only pressure is the representations made to the governing bodies

Pressure just incase Shebby Singh does actually have the power to sack Kean

[greco]

The thing that keeps niggling me, and I know it will get folks back up, is that IF the protests are creating a negative atmosphere for the team, and they keep losing, and the protests increase and the defeats keep coming and so on, are the fans reaping what they sow? Are we indirectly shooting ourselves in the foot?

We seem to be in 'Catch 22' scenario.

As a Rovers fan, my biggest wish is a good season with a return to the premiership. My second, we do it without Kean,

your thought proces is turned upside down it seems. The protests didnt just occur for the fun of it, they occured because results sucked and has sucked since.

Imo its not the fans that need to show their passion, its the club, manager and players who need to show theirs, how else can they expecet anything in return.

arsenal,

Let it take it's natural course, if Kean is as ###### as all of us believe then he will lose games regardless. The criticism, booing and protesting can start when we are actually doing poorly and not be pre-meditated. Some think that's being fickle but to me that's quality control.

The team need to feel some hope and motivation when they go into games rather than having to constantly be wary that one mistake will start the Kean Out protests.

Constant protesting from the get go will simply give Kean more excuses.

Venky's have already thrown a lot of money away on the club, it's not in their best interests to lose games.

it must be dificult seeing how things work in the real world, when nuthugging desai.!

let things take their natural course and then protest, are you ###### kidding me.? we´ve just been relegated.

ahh the V´s have spent the family fortune, im not dso sure about that, but lets just pretend that they have, shouldnt they protect their investment a bit better.?

Im still not buying that htey´ve spent loads of money, they´ve sold 3 players with a combined sum, close to what they bought the club for.

In regards to the thread topic, this must be the absolutely most idiotic suggestion ever.! This isnt my team, judge when i have my own players. Give me until the transfer window. Give me 5 games without protest and bla bla bla. The 5 games suggestion has been done before and quite frankly, if shebby sing or whatever his name is, needs 5 games to

evaluate kean, he is already showing signs of imcompetence.

[yoda]

your thought proces is turned upside down it seems. The protests didnt just occur for the fun of it, they occured because results sucked and has sucked since.

Imo its not the fans that need to show their passion, its the club, manager and players who need to show theirs, how else can they expecet anything in return.

arsenal,

it must be dificult seeing how things work in the real world, when nuthugging desai.!

let things take their natural course and then protest, are you ###### kidding me.? we´ve just been relegated.

ahh the V´s have spent the family fortune, im not dso sure about that, but lets just pretend that they have, shouldnt they protect their investment a bit better.?

Im still not buying that htey´ve spent loads of money, they´ve sold 3 players with a combined sum, close to what they bought the club for.

In regards to the thread topic, this must be the absolutely most idiotic suggestion ever.! This isnt my team, judge when i have my own players. Give me until the transfer window. Give me 5 games without protest and bla bla bla. The 5 games suggestion has been done before and quite frankly, if shebby sing or whatever his name is, needs 5 games i evaluate kean, he is already showing signs of imcompetence.

Or mis-guided loyalty, or ###### scarred of the driver

[winstonsmith]

Let it take it's natural course, if Kean is as ###### as all of us believe then he will lose games regardless. The criticism, booing and protesting can start when we are actually doing poorly and not be pre-meditated.

We are actually doing poorly - we have lost 8 out of the last 9 games ffs ! Nothing has happened since the last game to justify wiping the slate clean.

However, if Shebby is prepared to do a deal then, yes, call a truce.

Kean says that the target is promotion back to the PL and that the squad he has now is better than the one last year which he claimed was good enough to win the League Cup and finish in the top half of the PL. To win promotion you need to be averaging about 2 points a game. Therefore after 5 games he should expect to have at least 10 points.

So, Shebby, the proposed deal is this - if you guarantee to sack Kean if he fails to reach 10 points then we'll call a truce for 5 games. Seems fair enough to me.

[Doug]

your thought proces is turned upside down it seems. The protests didnt just occur for the fun of it, they occured because results sucked and has sucked since.

I did use the word 'if' in my scenario. There is no argument regarding the reasons why the protests started and developed, you may not have understood my post. I respect all those fans who are working hard to put pressure on the club to remove Kean. The niggle in the back of my mind is related to this coming season. If we start off protesting are we creating the best conditions for our players to perform. I believe that the fans will display their displeasure, without prompting, if the results and performances are poor, as fans have always done over the years.

[Al]

Why give him five games when, and I believe I speak for the majority of the fans, Kean is such a hated and despicable creature that we would still want him out even if we had 15 points after the first five games? He has antagonised us so much that he is unforgivable no matter what.

[bradeagle]

Why give him five games when, and I believe I speak for the majority of the fans, Kean is such a hated and despicable creature that we would still want him out even if we had 15 points after the first five games? He has antagonised us so much that he is unforgivable no matter what.

Thats the problem and why i find myself in the crazy position of wanting us to keep losing until he is gone. There is no light at the end of this tunnel until he goes

[greco]

I did use the word 'if' in my scenario. There is no argument regarding the reasons why the protests started and developed, you may not have understood my post. I respect all those fans who are working hard to put pressure on the club to remove Kean. The niggle in the back of my mind is related to this coming season. If we start off protesting are we creating the best conditions for our players to perform. I believe that the fans will display their displeasure, without prompting, if the results and performances are poor, as fans have always done over the years.

i dont know why, but i get the sense that some want to make rovers protests special, a one of a kind, the kind that ruins everything and its not. Its kindergarden stuff.!!! I remember brian laudrup telling his story, when he got relegated with fiorentina. He left the stadium in the trunk of his dads car, his life was actually in danger. He didnt recieve a text saying, that some might know about him and his girl were eating at a certain reestaurant, like ginger steve. Iirc players or staff were actually flown away in helicopters and others had to wait until enough police arrived, to escort them out.

I remember some italian ultras, either from milan or lazio, who entered the training ground, interrupted the training and demanded that their leader could adress their team.! And you know what, he did adress the team, the club and players simply didnt have a goddamn choice. I dont know what was said, but i can tell you the player who talked with the leader first, looked very nervous. My impression was, that either he got the opportunity to blast the players and if he couldnt, the players safety were on the line.

if the circumstances were like the ones mentioned above, i would agree with you, the fans should take some of the blame.

as i said, what is happening in blackburn is nothing compared to what happens in other countries. You brits are in generally well behaved and a million miles away from the old hooligan stigma and imo these protests solidify that. Its been stated numerous times, that the protest arent about the players, but the managment team and owners, everything has been done to protect the players, If the players cant perform, because fans cant stand the retards in charge - which have been pointed out a gazillion times - then they should reconsider their involvment in professional football.

[broadsword]

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last" CHURCHILL

Who could forget how bad last season was? A truce? You must be joking. There'll be no concessions from Kean, he'll merrily continue taking wages under the pretence of being a manager, no matter how poorly he does. For there to be a truce there has to be concessions form both sides. So to not get anything from the other side, but to pretend everything is hunky dory is to bend over and ask for a reaming.

A truce? Never. You can take that white flag and shove it.

[roverandout]

+1,000,000

[Stuart]

There seems to be a fundamental difference in terms of what people believe continuing protests will achieve.

In my opinion they will just give Kean all the excuses he needs for defeat. He never takes any blame for defeats anyway so why not taken one of his potential excuses away from him.

Let's say, on the other hand, the protests continue and the penny drops with Shebby that there will be no improvement in atmosphere nor fans uniting behind the club until Kean is gone - win, lose or draw. Then let's say he makes protestations to Venkys to remove Kean for the good of the club and fanbase as a whole. What makes anyone think they would care about the fans?

They've already shown through their action and inaction that the fans don't matter squat. So they'll just believe Kean that results are down to a minority of very vocal fans. (Do we really believe that Kean's won't be asked for his opinion by Venkys? Really??).

This is not about backing Kean and letting him prove he can get results. We know (barring exceptions i.e. the law of averages) he won't. It's about taking away his safety net (blaming the "vocal minority "fans for upsetting his young team) and letting him fall on his face.

If we allow Shebby to prove his credentials in being able to remove Kean (perhaps by proxy) and he doesn't deliver then we've smoked out another liar - and only had to wait 5 games to do so.

What is there to be afraid of? That Kean will win football matches?

[bradeagle]

There seems to be a fundamental difference in terms of what people believe continuing protests will achieve.

In my opinion they will just give Kean all the excuses he needs for defeat. He never takes any blame for defeats anyway so why not taken one of his potential excuses away from him.

Let's say, on the other hand, the protests continue and the penny drops with Shebby that there will be no improvement in atmosphere nor fans uniting behind the club until Kean is gone - win, lose or draw. Then let's say he makes protestations to Venkys to remove Kean for the good of the club and fanbase as a whole. What makes anyone think they would care about the fans?

They've already shown through their action and inaction that the fans don't matter squat. So they'll just believe Kean that results are down to a minority of very vocal fans. (Do we really believe that Kean's won't be asked for his opinion by Venkys? Really??).

This is not about backing Kean and letting him prove he can get results. We know (barring exceptions i.e. the law of averages) he won't. It's about taking away his safety net (blaming the "vocal minority "fans for upsetting his young team) and letting him fall on his face.

If we allow Shebby to prove his credentials in being able to remove Kean (perhaps by proxy) and he doesn't deliver then we've smoked out another liar - and only had to wait 5 games to do so.

What is there to be afraid of? That Kean will win football matches?

No way no chance. This is the time to protest. If shabby is true to his word he will see the situation and have no choice but to get shut

[yoda]

There seems to be a fundamental difference in terms of what people believe continuing protests will achieve.

In my opinion they will just give Kean all the excuses he needs for defeat. He never takes any blame for defeats anyway so why not taken one of his potential excuses away from him.

Let's say, on the other hand, the protests continue and the penny drops with Shebby that there will be no improvement in atmosphere nor fans uniting behind the club until Kean is gone - win, lose or draw. Then let's say he makes protestations to Venkys to remove Kean for the good of the club and fanbase as a whole. What makes anyone think they would care about the fans?

They've already shown through their action and inaction that the fans don't matter squat. So they'll just believe Kean that results are down to a minority of very vocal fans. (Do we really believe that Kean's won't be asked for his opinion by Venkys? Really??).

This is not about backing Kean and letting him prove he can get results. We know (barring exceptions i.e. the law of averages) he won't. It's about taking away his safety net (blaming the "vocal minority "fans for upsetting his young team) and letting him fall on his face.

If we allow Shebby to prove his credentials in being able to remove Kean (perhaps by proxy) and he doesn't deliver then we've smoked out another liar - and only had to wait 5 games to do so.

What is there to be afraid of? That Kean will win football matches?

In bold and underlined, you answered your own question, he is now getting his excuses in early in the telewag by saying the 3 Portugese are for the future and we need more experience, FFS the experience is leaving because of him, he is a complete phoney and needs removing NOW

[Stuart]

In bold and underlined, you answered your own question, he is now getting his excuses in early in the telewag by saying the 3 Portugese are for the future and we need more experience, FFS the experience is leaving because of him, he is a complete phoney and needs removing NOW

Fair comment but I don't like the idea of him blaming me for his incompetence. Either directly, or indirectly through his contacts and the media.

[yoda]

Fair comment but I don't like the idea of him blaming me for his incompetence. Either directly, or indirectly through his contacts and the media.

Simple answer, don't let him, take him to task if he does

[Salgado Is A Hero]

He will have excuses lined up anyway regardless of what fans do......if there is none that are apparent he will just openly lie about things, like when he said he was looking forward to our match against Wolves in March because of our record against other teams down the bottom (we had the worst record out of the bottom 5 teams with 5 points compared to I think QPR and Bolton with 12)......so that isn't a reason not to protest in my eyes.

He will say whatever he can to stay in the one managerial job he will ever get.....if nobody protests then he will say the fans are all behind him.....if we still aren't winning he'll say last time we spent a couple seasons in Division 1 last time and he just needs time to build the right squad.....or whatever he feels necessary.