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Isn't it? Which clubs are they and which clubs are successful with this set up then?

It's more of a foreign thing.....although a chairman can obviously override a manager and pursue their own targets....I think Spurs are quite like that......I think, in this country, the manager should have the most say as they should know what tactics they will use and who will fit their system......otherwise you get situations like Chelsea where I think ,but could be wrong, that Abramovich wanted Ballack who didn't fit into the team because Lampard was playing the role that Ballack usually played and he was nowhere near as effective playing behind him.

But we all know Kean can't set up a team regardless and if it's believed that Kean recommended Scott Dann then his track record is hardly decent.

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Isn't it? Which clubs are they and which clubs are successful with this set up then?

I was thinking of Chelsea and Spurs to be honest; wasn`t really lookign at whether they were successfull, or unsuccessful when replying.

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Isn't it? Which clubs are they and which clubs are successful with this set up then?

It is extremely common in continental football. In fact is is less common to find a manager who actually has significant control over club transfers. That being said, it is quite rare in Britain and hasn't been particularly successful when it has been used. That's not to say that it is unworkable.

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Chelsea springs to mind. Not saying its common but they seem to have done alright. Bet Abramovich is happy with that Champions League Trophy in his cabinet.

No way that Chelsea's managers have had no say in player transfers either in, or out. No way on earth.

I appreciate that clubs on the continent use DOF's, to aid player transfers, but they absolutely work with the coach.

What's being defended here by Taggart, is Shebby Singh in charge of all transfers above and beyond the manager. If it wasn't Kean we're talking about and Shebby was interfering with someone like Hughes, I doubt very much anyone would defend this apparent set up.

It is extremely common in continental football. In fact is is less common to find a manager who actually has significant control over club transfers. That being said, it is quite rare in Britain and hasn't been particularly successful when it has been used. That's not to say that it is unworkable.

I know darned well that continental teams use DOF's Eddie. You happy to have Singh conducting our transfer business?

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If it is a choice between Singh and Kean then I'd take Singh.

I'd also say that so far the transfers this summer have been encouraging, so on the basis of the work already done it looks to be fairly positive.

I also think you are making a mistake when you think that there coaches in continental football usually have regular communication with a DOF or other senior management over transfers. It really isn't uncommon for the manager to have basically no say in the players that are signed. What might happen is that the coach will report to the DOF and say that he needs a winger, a target man or a goalkeeper, but from that point on they are often not involved in any way.

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What's being defended here by Taggart, is Shebby Singh in charge of all transfers above and beyond the manager. If it wasn't Kean we're talking about and Shebby was interfering with someone like Hughes, I doubt very much anyone would defend this apparent set up.

Den; I was simply disagreeing that it has to be one or the other making decisions, and underpinned it with an example. You seem to be crusading down a different path from the point I disagreed with. Anyways, its all in the interpetation of writing I guess but hopefully that will clear it up for you.

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All rules out the window when it comes to Kean, i personally think Venkys have hired Shebby should Kean continue his horror show into the Championship to be the big bad wolf and fire Kean and therefore not breaking the beautiful friendship they apparently have with the shaven chimp!

Hughes wouldnt stand for it but by god Kean would, reckon they said we have decided to bring in some help that will over see transfers and we will give you one more chance! another manager would walk away but we have already seen what a leech Kean is, hes lost every inch of respect in terms of being a 'manager' so im sure if someone else was calling the shots yet he still keeps his job he is happy as a pig in muck!!

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What, no bites today?

Shame... :(

What? I'm not looking for bites in wishing our limited manager the choice in who he manages over, given that he hasn't done too great with players he hasn't personally wanted to sign. I'm posting that from the perspective that Kean is going to stay as manager (as I stated) then I think somebody else (who has no track record) picking the transfer targets wouldn't improve matters and could only prove to hinder things. If he's staying as manager he might as well have the best possible chance to do the best for the club.

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Kean's talent, if he truly has one, is as a coach. If we are going to keep him as a manager, which is a terrible idea, then the best way to minimise damage and maximise the potential of the team is to limit his duties to coaching. By having someone else handle the transfers we are at least reducing the damage that Kean can do and improve the chances that the next manager will take over something that somewhat resembles a professional squad.

Whether or not Shebby Singh is the best man for the job is an entirely different question. I would prefer to have someone with more experience and someone with better connections throughout European football, but so far he appears to be ambitious and has brought in one or two good players, so he deserves a bit of time at least to make decisions and changes.

Whether or not he can bring in Rhodes or some other 'A' list striker to fill the void is going to be the real test. If we end up simply settling for a loan deal or some mediocre journeyman then we will know that he suffers from some of the same conditions that plague Kean and the Raos.

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