[Archived] Premier League Happenings

[Guest Norbert]

Monk is in 'for the foreseeable future', whatever that means.

I couldn't say who would be the permanent manager, but it is likely to be a pretty good choice as Jenkins has been pretty inspired so far with his choices.

[Audax]

Cardiff, West Brom, Tottenham, Sunderland, Crystal Palace I think would be an "amiable separation" but just hearing this about Swansea, 6 clubs at least have parted with their managers this year.

[yoda]

Who knows what's been going on behind the scenes but on the surface this seems a terrible decision by Swansea. Unless they get the appointment right (which to be fair the chairman has done 4 times in a row) they could well plummet down the league. Cardiff and Swansea both to get relegated ?

What a shame that would be

They should not be playing in the English premier league anyway

[Leonard Venkhater]

Swansea have been horrific ever since they won the league cup. Without Michu they struggle massively.

I think there's more to it than just results though. Laudrup seems to have made it quite clear he planned to be off in the summer, so perhaps they felt that in order to get some proper stability and unity they needed to remove him. It'll be interesting to see who they go for... Dyche?

I am sure I read something similar from Venky's. I vaguely recall Madame Grim saying Big Sam was planning to leave the following the summer anyway?

[davulsukur]

Not sure that Venkys said it but i think Sam hinted at managing in UAE because he loved it out there or something like.

Anyway, he rocked up at West Ham, so he obviously was happy to remain in England. I suspect, had Venkys left John Williams in his role and told Sam he would have some money to spend in the summer, he would have signed a new contract with Rovers.

[Audax]

Swansea will have a player-manager during the interim. Monk.

[speeeeeeedie]

Given the amount of possession Swansea usually command I'd suggest signing Berbatov might have served them better than potting Laudrup.

Possibly. They are toothless once they get within 30 yards of the opponent's goal. Shelvey either hoofs one milwa wide or Bony dribbles and falls over.

[Tom]

So after Andy Carroll's red card is upheld West Ham threaten to take it to the high court (after signing an agreement pre season that appeals are final)

The Premier league have now agreed to an arbitration and will no doubt rescind the card

Ultimately it may be the correct decision but would the Authorities be so willing to do that with a Cardiff or Fulham?

[gumboots]

We know west ham get special treatment. Remember Tevez and mascherano or whatever his name was

[Audax]

And I believe Laudrup may initiate litigation against Swansea: http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/michael-laudrup-seeks-legal-advice-after-swansea-sacking-manager-020614 It just struck me that in both of these cases, it could end up in court.

So, let's not forget, Curbishley managed West Ham, over his head there, they transferred Anton Ferdinand and someone else, I forget now, I believe that was the case, Curbs won a case versus WHU for "constructive dismissal". So however that is, that case did not work out for West Ham but I realise we are talking about dealings with the FA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Curbishley

Nonetheless, these cases going to Court surprize me some.

[arbitro]

We know west ham get special treatment. Remember Tevez and mascherano or whatever his name was

That was due (allegedly) to the Trevor Brooking influence at the FA.

That said I hope they are successful in their legal bid to challenge the FA who have run roughshod over too many clubs down the years.

[Audax]

Did the Hammers have no points even deducted? http://soccerlens.com/why-west-ham-should-not-have-points-deducted-over-tevez/1939/ , I thought maybe they had 1-3 points taken when 5 or 10 sounded like a fair punishment. This article says none were. And did not Sheffield win a large sum for wrongdoing against West Ham? I believe so in that as well. I remember even some Hammers fans thinking they were not fortunate not to have points deducted. In turn on West Ham's side, I thought the kind of contract they may have had with Tevez and Mascherano were not altogether uncommon.

[gumboots]

And sir trev is still around nowadays. It seems to me that, whilst it is true that the FA have done pretty much as they like for too long and nobody has challenged them, this is not a clear cut injustice. The injustice is that Flores gets away scotfree.

[John]

Not sure if I am missing something on the Carroll red card - obviously the Swansea player made a complete meal of it but Carroll still swung his arm with aggressive intent?

[perthblue02]

That was due (allegedly) to the Trevor Brooking influence at the FA.

That said I hope they are successful in their legal bid to challenge the FA who have run roughshod over too many clubs down the years.

Whilst not entirely fair a FA committee member using his influence in the best interests of his club, its certainly a lot better than a FA committee member staying quiet whilst "his" club is robbed blind in fear of upsetting the apple cart and losing his FA old boys tie.

[Jimmy612]

Not sure if I am missing something on the Carroll red card - obviously the Swansea player made a complete meal of it but Carroll still swung his arm with aggressive intent?

I said exactly the same John. Ultimately you can't get away with that nowadays. Chico arguably deserves a longer ban than Carroll does but he put himself in the firing line as soon as he swung his arm round. It doesn't deserve a three game ban by the way.

[Blue blood]

So after Andy Carroll's red card is upheld West Ham threaten to take it to the high court (after signing an agreement pre season that appeals are final)

The Premier league have now agreed to an arbitration and will no doubt rescind the card

Ultimately it may be the correct decision but would the Authorities be so willing to do that with a Cardiff or Fulham?

So after Andy Carroll's red card is upheld West Ham threaten to take it to the high court (after signing an agreement pre season that appeals are final)

The Premier league have now agreed to an arbitration and will no doubt rescind the card

Ultimately it may be the correct decision but would the Authorities be so willing to do that with a Cardiff or Fulham?

Spot on and the answer is no. I don't think the FA will be happy till they have the biggest/richest 20 clubs in the premiership with a guaranteed big 4 winning everything, and no chance of any annoying small clubs getting into the Prem. They're not too far off this though - so we'll see.

Can't remember where I saw it on this board but whoever said "love the sport, hate the game" has it bob on.

[Guest Norbert]

Did the Hammers have no points even deducted? http://soccerlens.com/why-west-ham-should-not-have-points-deducted-over-tevez/1939/ , I thought maybe they had 1-3 points taken when 5 or 10 sounded like a fair punishment. This article says none were. And did not Sheffield win a large sum for wrongdoing against West Ham? I believe so in that as well. I remember even some Hammers fans thinking they were not fortunate not to have points deducted. In turn on West Ham's side, I thought the kind of contract they may have had with Tevez and Mascherano were not altogether uncommon.

I think they just got a big fine, which is why Shefield Utd and Colin W_nker were so annoyed. They went down by one or two points instead, whilst Tevez and Mascapone were scoring vital goals to keep Wham up.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Whilst not entirely fair a FA committee member using his influence in the best interests of his club, its certainly a lot better than a FA committee member staying quiet whilst "his" club is robbed blind in fear of upsetting the apple cart and losing his FA old boys tie.

Ouch!

[M-K]

Big Sam has 'previous' with Chico Flores, so maybe Flores was extra keen to get a West Ham player sent off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgkR-yXDjo

(is it not possible to embed videos on this site?)

[Guest Norbert]

Oh, and Vidic is off at the end of this season too. The gurner might get a game in defence next season, along with the increasingly decrepit Rio Ferdinand.

[darrenrover]

Did the Hammers have no points even deducted? http://soccerlens.com/why-west-ham-should-not-have-points-deducted-over-tevez/1939/ , I thought maybe they had 1-3 points taken when 5 or 10 sounded like a fair punishment. This article says none were. And did not Sheffield win a large sum for wrongdoing against West Ham? I believe so in that as well. I remember even some Hammers fans thinking they were not fortunate not to have points deducted. In turn on West Ham's side, I thought the kind of contract they may have had with Tevez and Mascherano were not altogether uncommon.

Not to mention refereeing assistance at Ewood!

[arbitro]

Not sure if I am missing something on the Carroll red card - obviously the Swansea player made a complete meal of it but Carroll still swung his arm with aggressive intent?

In my opinion it was more of a flailing arm, the likes of which we will see many times this week-end. I don't think Carroll's reputation as a poor man's Duncan Ferguson helped him. When you consider what Webb let De Jong get away with in the World Cup final this incident is akin to a tickling competition.

[speeeeeeedie]

Not sure if I am missing something on the Carroll red card - obviously the Swansea player made a complete meal of it but Carroll still swung his arm with aggressive intent?

In my opinion it was more of a flailing arm, the likes of which we will see many times this week-end. I don't think Carroll's reputation as a poor man's Duncan Ferguson helped him. When you consider what Webb let De Jong get away with in the World Cup final this incident is akin to a tickling competition.

I'm with John. Carroll did swing for Flores. His face was contorted in anger. Flores deserves a 8 game ban for play acting.

I understand why West Ham are appealing to all and sundry though. No Carroll and West Ham go down. With Carroll they stay up.

[McClarky]

I didn't think Carroll deserved a red card, other than for his hair do, but once you have been through the process that should be that. How many times have other clubs had people sent off unjustly? They'll probably decide to give him a yellow instead which is a total joke as the elbow swing was either a red or nothing. The review after all is to decide if the ref has made a mistake and in this case you could argue it either way so it was righjt to back the ref up. Without being able to read the players' mind how can you tell whether there is intent? Massive can of worms if clubs start threatening legal action to contest decisions which could undermine the whole authority of the game.