[Archived] Premier League Happenings

[Guest Norbert]

Not as bad as Abbey though!

[ABBEY]

Not as bad as Abbey though!

Huh?

[jim mk2]

To those who decry stability I would say stability is a very fine thing.

Look at the clubs in the bottom 3 of the Premier League and their lack of stability in terms of constant swapping of managers is the main reason they are in trouble.

As we know to our cost over the past 3 years, lack of stability is very damaging.

Stability is good, stability works. I love stability.

[Mike E]

WB, you trying to give Al a heart attack?

[ABBEY]

You mean jim3

[Stuart]

stuart,,, how do you Bowyer doesnt demand high standard??? imo, he clearly does.

also Bowyer is telling the players to play within themselves?!? wat a load rubbish.

Bowyer has brought Stability to a football club that before this season has been MAJOR TURMOIL on and off the pitch.

p.s Stuart it was very good of you to posted a list of manager. I did also posted a list of 5 managers that would be on MY shortlist if GB was to be sack. those names were realistic and sensible.

You really are hard of thinking aren't you.

Bowyer's standards include pairing Lowe and Williamson in CM.

I didn't say he was telling them to, but his players are playing within themselves - hence why we are not an attacking force.

I don't expect people to agree on the Sherwood pick. It's not an obvious fit, it's just a hunch I have based on what I've seen, working within the bounds of what Venkys/Shebby are likely to do. (That's assuming Singh comes out of the woodwork which I suspect he may at some point).

[ABBEY]

Stop quoting him .

I get panned for my grammar etc but does Chaddy have a question mark stutter ?

[K-Hod]

stuart,,, how do you Bowyer doesnt demand high standard??? imo, he clearly does.

also Bowyer is telling the players to play within themselves?!? wat a load rubbish.

Bowyer has brought Stability to a football club that before this season has been MAJOR TURMOIL on and off the pitch.

p.s Stuart it was very good of you to posted a list of manager. I did also posted a list of 5 managers that would be on MY shortlist if GB was to be sack. those names were realistic and sensible.

Chaddy mate (and anyone else posting like this) spell check it first or something, it's like you're posting after 10 pints of Stella!!!

[Stuart]

Stop quoting him .

I get panned for my grammar etc but does Chaddy have a question mark stutter ?

No but he does have one of these...

[chaddyrovers]

Chaddy mate (and anyone else posting like this) spell check it first or something, it's like you're posting after 10 pints of Stella!!!

its abit hard to spell check it when its on a mobile phone pal.

I thought u didnt read my posts anyone Abbey???

Stuart, I pleased that you have said your choice to replace Bowyer if he does go.

but alot of the ppl who wanted GB out said they wanted experience manager in. By my reckon Bowyer has more experience coaching and managing then Sherwood.

as I said last week my first choice would Curbishley then my second choice would be Phil Parkinson. Third choice would be Brian McDermott. thats my choices to replace GB in he does get sack but I am still behind GB and still think he is the right manager for us

[Stuart]

its abit hard to spell check it when its on a mobile phone pal.

I almost exclusively post on my mobile - as I'm sure a lot do. It can be done chaddy!!!

[Tom]

True enough

We don't expect everyone to be Wordsworth (or I would be screwed) but we do ask you avoid text speak and the like

Takes 2 seconds to look over a post Chaddy

[Amo]

Exactly why I prefer Sherwood - he is a proven winner and demands high standards. Plus he will have a point to prove if he leaves Spurs. Bowyer demands effort, defensive minds, and expects the crowd to produce their own excitement.

The thing is Am'o, I've posted lists of managers before - despite chaddy's constant "tell me who u think come to rovers???" - and the argument is always that an experienced manager wouldn't put up with Venkys. So we have to look at something different. Otherwise we will continue to go round in circles.

We are not in the PL, we are in a division where taking a team out of first gear can reap the rewards.

Thanks to Bowyer, we have assembled a team of young, hungry players (Ask Bowyer to be chief scout?) but unfortunately these players are instructed to play within themselves. Sherwood is a young, hungry manager. It could be an exciting proposition. Although he isn't experienced ("tell me who wud come???") I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was on the phone regularly to Dalglish.

There is no correlation between successful players becoming successful managers. You know that, and I know that. I won't be able to take your criticism of Bowyer seriously in future as you're undermining your own argument if you want an even bigger rookie to replace him. Just ask some of the Spurs fans what they think of your firebrand's style of football:

This display was another example of what I have been on about for weeks. We're playing lacklustre, slow football that lacks any heart. A few wins against lower sides have very much glossed over this. Sherwood has now even admitted this with his post match comments (which should never have been made and once again betray his inexperience).

Sherwood has well and truly confirmed to me what I have maintained all along, that his inexperience was too much of a risk. I said his real test would come against the bigger sides and that's when we'd know if he had what it took to succeed. I wouldn't have cared if we had lost but did so through a spirited display. But these players clearly don't want to play for Sherwood, he knows it. Saying that he can't count on players is the sign of a desperate man and just about the worst thing to say. In fact it's not only that, but it's a distinct message to the players that can create a wedge between them and him - which is exactly the opposite of what he should be doing at a time he has an unhappy squad. It's his job to motivate them. Again, the inexperience shows through.

For me the summer can't come fast enough so that we can see the back of this awful season and start afresh with someone who has a vague idea over what he's doing.

[Guest Norbert]

I wish people would stop this Sherwood talk. He has been average at best with a far more talented team. He puts a number 10/attacking midfielder on the left wing, which leaves the average left back very exposed, and cannot stop getting tonked by bigger teams, As for being a proven winner, Tony Adams had won much more as player, even though he was half cut for most of it, and he's not been a good manager. Sherwood is only being talked up because he was a very good player for Blackburn.

[stanhillrover]

Seems that many people would advocate disposing of Bowyer and replacing him with a managerial rookie like Tim Sherwood or James Beattie.

Quite astonishing given that we have tried (and failed) with that approach four times in five years (Ince, Kean, Berg, Appleton). Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it and all that...

No doubt if it was announced tomorrow that Bowyer was gone and Shearer/Tugay was the new manager people would be doing cartwheels in the streets - without any evidence whatsoever that either of those great players possess any of the attributes required to manage in the Championship (and achieve a minimum top-six spot in their first season, if peoples views of Bowyer's 'failures' this season are anything to go by).

[Stuart]

They are all novices, and as per the discussion (for those who don't want to continue the same cyclic debate), we are highly unlikely to appoint an experienced manager on Venkys' watch.

There's just a spark about Sherwood that Kean, Berg, Appleton and Bowyer don't have.

Put together.

[AspRover]

Shared a hospital transport with a palace fan today who kept telling me how amazing Scott Dann is. The phrase 'signing of the season' was used.

[jim mk2]

Scott Dann is a good Premier League footballer and we are significantly weaker without him. Same goes for Nzonzi and few others who some of our uneducated fans were glad to see the back of.

[West Yorks Rover]

Shared a hospital transport with a palace fan today who kept telling me how amazing Scott Dann is. The phrase 'signing of the season' was used.

Did you remind him about his relegation record, have to be next season now though.

I heard something on the radio about Palace wanting to replace Pullis with a more fashionable manager,

seems a bit harsh if true, after he saved them from certain relegation.

Did he mention anything about that.

BTW Dann is a very decent defender for a manager that knows how to set a team up to defend properly.

[chaddyrovers]

They are all novices, and as per the discussion (for those who don't want to continue the same cyclic debate), we are highly unlikely to appoint an experienced manager on Venkys' watch.

There's just a spark about Sherwood that Kean, Berg, Appleton and Bowyer don't have.

Put together.

What the Sherwood spark then Stuart? (just asking btw)

[roverandout]

as chaddy's post would say

'me love bowyer long time, me fink he good manager, me want to take him up the....pub, me fink he best fing since slice bred, me no fink n e one good nuff to take hes job'.

[thenodrog]

You mean jim3

Don't you mean John Dawkins?

Ha! Just wanted to see if that word changing thingy had disappeared too. Obviously not.

[thenodrog]

I heard something on the radio about Palace wanting to replace Pullis with a more fashionable manager,

seems a bit harsh if true, after he saved them from certain relegation.

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What tf is unfashionable about a premier league manager who can get enough points out of a poor squad to avoid relegation?

Oh wait.... I forgot the Facebook warriors and 3-0 wolves boo boys frequent this mboard!

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Scott Dann is a good Premier League footballer and we are significantly weaker without him. Same goes for Nzonzi and few others who some of our uneducated fans were glad to see the back of.

Couldn't agree more. The mantra amongst our support for a few years now has been all about getting rid of "deadwood" and building a young squad. Maybe its to be admired, valuing youth and enthusiasm and taking a dim view of prima donnas. But that isn't how you get success in modern football and Rovers ain't a government-sponsored apprenticeship scheme.

You take the temperamental but talented players, give them a manager they'll respect and play for and hey presto. What Rovers have been doing is saying to those players you're being managed by the old reserve team manager so like it or lump it, give us 100% or you'll be sold/released. And then when we release them the fans celebrate and say "he's been rubbish for the last few seasons anyway".

Then the "rubbish" player goes and plays for a manager who strokes his ego, ignores his tantrums and makes him feel special, and that player is back in business and turns out to be another good player we should have fought tooth and nail to keep. We then sign an journeyman freebie to replace him and the fans spend a few months talking about how hard he tries before eventually realising he's actually pretty ****.

[Audax]

What tf is unfashionable about a premier league manager who can get enough points out of a poor squad to avoid relegation?

Oh wait.... I forgot the Facebook warriors and 3-0 wolves boo boys frequent this mboard!

Crystal Palace fans were somewhat loyal to Ian Holloway for the longest time.

The squeaky wheel will get the grease.