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I lost respect for Moyes after his comments in the national press about leaving at half time because Rovers fans were giving Kean stick.

Well David what goes around comes around.

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Moyes never stood a chance, it's a shame it ended so quickly as he would have floundered on for as long as they let him. Replacing a legend is nearly impossible. Liverpool managed quite well with Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, and Dalglish, but they all came through the same system.

I would say that he did himself in the day he potted Phelan and Meulensteen. They understood the players and the system. Moyes could have come in, told them to carry on, and sat at the top growling at anything he didn't like.

Klopp looks to be on the outs per Dortmund. Popular opinion has van Gaal coming in to steady the ship for a year or 2. Poor Spurs, they thought they had him lined up too.

That was his fatal mistake, he took over a cruise liner and decided to pull the oars himself, like a mug. All he had to do was sit back let them carry on and stand there picking Fergies mind till he grew into the role himself and his shoes. Alas his ego got in the way and his journey was short.

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As soon as Moyes started laying the blame at the players' feet and suggesting they weren't good enough he was a dead man walking. Even if you believe that to be the case you simply don't say it in public. I can't believe Ferguson didn't pull Moyes aside and tell him not to do that, he understood the psychology of the team better than anybody.

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As soon as Moyes started laying the blame at the players' feet and suggesting they weren't good enough he was a dead man walking. Even if you believe that to be the case you simply don't say it in public. I can't believe Ferguson didn't pull Moyes aside and tell him not to do that, he understood the psychology of the team better than anybody.

I'm sure he was offered plenty of advice from others, do you really think Fergie just sat in his office supping wine while his legacy fell down around him?

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I'm sure he was offered plenty of advice from others, do you really think Fergie just sat in his office supping wine while his legacy fell down around him?

There are reports that Ferguson played a part in Moyes' ultimate dismissal, so if Moyes was ignoring Ferguson's advice then perhaps that was another big mistake.

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Brian Clough really did want to tear down Leeds United and build it from scratch, interesting. He despised Don Revie's LUFC.

So Moyes let the old staff go. That is an interesting parallel to those who bring up "The Damned United" though I doubt if Moyes had as an objective to tear down what he saw as, for lack of better words, an evil empire. Though, I guess DM thought, "if I keep the old staff, everyone might say it was because of the coaching staff". Some people do want to do it their way.

He did it too soon though imo, should have left it as it was for 12-18 months until he found his feet, that squad should be easily

in the top 4.

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I lost respect for Moyes after his comments in the national press about leaving at half time because Rovers fans were giving Kean stick.

Well David what goes around comes around.

Not quite Gav........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26742897

"Manager David Moyes took responsibility for Manchester United's dramatic decline this season after a dismal home defeat to Manchester City.

The reigning champions are seventh, 18 points adrift of leaders Chelsea after City inflicted United's sixth home league loss of the season.

"I am the one who picks the team," Moyes said. "I take responsibility and always will do. It is disappointing."

That is exactly the philosophy that we were applying when he threw a hissy at us for 'giving it large' toward Steve Kean. Members of the LMA cant lie straight in bed can they?

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There are reports that Ferguson played a part in Moyes' ultimate dismissal, so if Moyes was ignoring Ferguson's advice then perhaps that was another big mistake.

No one can defend the indefensible.

Personally I think the kicker was not the results or the league position or getting beaten by Citeh and Livvie. I believe it was that the Glasers recognise that Fergie left a poor squad and that it needed rebuilding and after seeing how Moyes spent superstar money on fairly average players in Mata and Fellainy and has blown a fortune on Rooney's new contract they must have felt that they could no longer trust him with the cheque book.

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No one can defend the indefensible.

Personally I think the kicker was not the results or the league position or getting beaten by Citeh and Livvie. I believe it was that the Glasers recognise that Fergie left a poor squad and that it needed rebuilding and after seeing how Moyes spent superstar money on fairly average players in Mata and Fellainy and has blown a fortune on Rooney's new contract they must have felt that they could no longer trust him with the cheque book.

It's been rumoured that Moyes had a break clause in his contract that permitted a fairly cheap sacking should United fail to get into the top four this season. Seems that the Glazers simply waited for that to be a certainty and enacted the clause accordingly. I reckon they had decided to sack him at least two months ago but didn't want to pay out.

Whilst his usage of United's cash has been appalling, Moyes @#/? up in another department far more. His major downfall was not losing the dressing room, imo, but rather never having it in the first place. Arguably not his fault, but he didn't have it in him to win the respect of the United players and constantly sniping at them in public was a huge mistake. Nowadays the players have the real power, even Ferguson realised that and in public at least acted accordingly. Moyes' naivety has been astonishing to be honest, the job totally overwhelmed him from first minute to last. Painfully out of his depth and will likely never manage a top club again after this.

Meanwhile after all that talk of United "not being a sacking club" and "doing things differently", they certainly look like a cretinous club now. Love it.

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It's been rumoured that Moyes had a break clause in his contract that permitted a fairly cheap sacking should United fail to get into the top four this season. Seems that the Glazers simply waited for that to be a certainty and enacted the clause accordingly. I reckon they had decided to sack him at least two months ago but didn't want to pay out.

Whilst his usage of United's cash has been appalling, Moyes @#/? up in another department far more. His major downfall was not losing the dressing room, imo, but rather never having it in the first place. Arguably not his fault, but he didn't have it in him to win the respect of the United players and constantly sniping at them in public was a huge mistake. Nowadays the players have the real power, even Ferguson realised that and in public at least acted accordingly. Moyes' naivety has been astonishing to be honest, the job totally overwhelmed him from first minute to last. Painfully out of his depth and will likely never manage a top club again after this.

Meanwhile after all that talk of United "not being a sacking club" and "doing things differently", they certainly look like a cretinous club now. Love it.

What did Fergie always say 'no one is bigger than United' Ruud, Beckham, Ronaldo, Stam all found that one out. The biggest mistake made was appointing him in the first place, they should have pulled out all the stops and signed Guardiola or Mourinho. I can't help but think Fergie thought he could groom Moyes into another him and it would appear the first thing his student did was go against his mentor. Everyone thinks they are ready before they truly are.

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What did Fergie always say 'no one is bigger than United' Ruud, Beckham, Ronaldo, Stam all found that one out. The biggest mistake made was appointing him in the first place, they should have pulled out all the stops and signed Guardiola or Mourinho. I can't help but think Fergie thought he could groom Moyes into another him and it would appear the first thing his student did was go against his mentor. Everyone thinks they are ready before they truly are.

Not sure those two would have gone with the poor squad that Fergie left. Mourhino especially would have been a square peg in a round hole. His tactical preference are much closer to Moyes than Ferguson. The squad he needed is simply not there.

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What did Fergie always say 'no one is bigger than United' Ruud, Beckham, Ronaldo, Stam all found that one out. The biggest mistake made was appointing him in the first place, they should have pulled out all the stops and signed Guardiola or Mourinho. I can't help but think Fergie thought he could groom Moyes into another him and it would appear the first thing his student did was go against his mentor. Everyone thinks they are ready before they truly are.

The problem is Fergie had the aura and the respect to adhere to that mantra. Moyes never had that. The United players almost to a man had already won more than Moyes could dream of. Bringing in the dream team of Jimmy Lumsden, Steve Round and Phil Neville whilst removing all of Ferguson's coaches wasn't exactly going to engender a feeling of respect either.

If the team had seen Moyes being accepted and respected by Ferguson's coaches, would that have made a difference? Possibly. Seems to be that Moyes tried to take the oars and row the entire boat himself, whereas he should have taken a leaf out of Ferguson's book and left that work to the coaching staff, leaving himself to oversee things. He mucked in too much and made himself another target for criticism from the players.

There's no question Fergie saw himself in Moyes. The quote at the time of appointment was "cut from the same cloth" ... but whilst that may be true, it's a different era and a different situation at United. They didn't need a mini-me of Ferguson, they needed a man willing to impose himself on the club. A man with the stones to come in and deal with the history and expectation, somebody who would see the likes of Ferguson and Charlton as equals, not gods. It was the wrong choice by a long way, and I don't think they'll make another one as bad. At least we've had one season to enjoy watching United fail, it's been a long time coming :)

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That's interesting as I had heard his Sri Lankan cousin Adosatha Klopp was also keen on being considered.

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@benlyt: Real news now: Dutch press reporting Van Gaal & #MUFC have agreed terms & he will be coach next season. http://t.co/LgYRUjlkVJ

@benlyt: De Telegraaf: Van Gaal looking for 4 players, one in each major position, within 100m budget. 'His arrival great news for RVP'

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@benlyt: Real news now: Dutch press reporting Van Gaal & #MUFC have agreed terms & he will be coach next season. http://t.co/LgYRUjlkVJ

@benlyt: De Telegraaf: Van Gaal looking for 4 players, one in each major position, within 100m budget. 'His arrival great news for RVP'

I can't see Van Gaal putting up with Fergie's interference. Todays headline in my paper " Ferguson, give the job to Giggs ". I wish they would.

Whoever comes in there will have their hands full. Even £ 100 mill might not be enough.

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I can't see Van Gaal putting up with Fergie's interference. Todays headline in my paper " Ferguson, give the job to Giggs ". I wish they would.

Whoever comes in there will have their hands full. Even £ 100 mill might not be enough.

After the Moyes debacle I can't see the Glazers deferring to Fergie for advice this time around.

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Banners from west ham fans saying Fat Sam Out today

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