[Archived] Premier League Happenings

[Audax]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2395055/Premier-League-2013-14-preview-Sportsmail-experts-views.html

Predictions, seems around 5 pundits pick Sunderland to get relegated. I don't see that. These pundits must see PDC as being unsteady or inexperienced in his role.

2 or more pick West Brom to go down. I think they could take a fall. Similar numbers pick Stoke or Norwich to go down. So I think these clubs are all suspect.

And most all of them pick 2 or more of the newly promoted clubs to go down.

Thought that part was interesting.

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As to whom they pick to win the Premier League, predictable but varied among 3 clubs.

[Stuart]

Contributory and informative? He's suggesting that he knows how to put together a better coaching plan for a PL than a PL manager. So, I'm challenging him on this. Sometimes his posts are just as bullshit and attention seeking as the "ITK's," so if you have a problem with me or anybody else challenging them, tough.

And if my "retort" had nothing to do with his post, what on earth was it about?

No, all you do is challenge the credibility of this particular poster. You patently aren't interested in anything he has to say and have no respect for his professional opinion. If you have an alternative take on player nutrition and training regimes, I'd be delighted to hear them.

But if you haven't, please stop continuously trying to drown out someone who does. These occasional snippets of footballing info are a refreshing break from all the bullcrap and bickering. Perhaps you aren't informed but others are.

Have a nice day.

[ABBEY]

I reckon moyse will be potted before Christmas .He is it appears out of his depth . Imagine whiskey nose moaning and crying about playing big clubs . He's a rabbit in headlights. His handling of the shrek situation is like a spotty teenager on footy manager.

Will utd fans get lambasted for MOYES OUT in October?

[M-K]

I reckon moyse will be potted before Christmas .He is it appears out of his depth . Imagine whiskey nose moaning and crying about playing big clubs . He's a rabbit in headlights. His handling of the shrek situation is like a spotty teenager on footy manager.

Will utd fans get lambasted for MOYES OUT in October?

Didn't Fergie have a traditional moan about fixtures / internationals / everything from time to time? I reckon Moyes is just trying to be like Dad.

Doesn't look good for Utd, though. He doesn't inspire confidence among the fans and hasn't hit any of his transfer targets. The only realistic one he's likely to get is Baines, who isn't fit to lace Evra's boots anyway, so that's a bizarre choice.

They're going to have to stick with Moyes or risk imploding, though. Six year contract, personally chosen by the departing gaffer. Massive humiliation if they have to get rid of him and bring in a foreign mercenary.

[cn174]

I think he'll do better than Martinez at Everton. Martinez is still a golden boy in everyone's eyes, but I can't see things going that well for him so that will all change quite quickly. Everton fans used to whinge like anything about Moyes n all.

[DE.]

Didn't Fergie have a traditional moan about fixtures / internationals / everything from time to time? I reckon Moyes is just trying to be like Dad.

In 2009 Ferguson threatened to send somebody to watch the fixture lists being produced, so yeah, suffice to say Moyes is just following in his predecessor's footsteps.

I'm surprised they haven't made a single notable signing so far. They badly need midfield reinforcements but every target seems to pass them by.

[thenodrog]

Contributory and informative? He's suggesting that he knows how to put together a better coaching plan for a PL than a PL manager.

"a PL manager".......... Steve Kean and Paul Ince managed in the Premier League and my dog would have done no worse than those two.

[Majiball]

That's the rub Maj. Your suggestion is now that a 2nd yr student knows better than a Premier League manager, who has no doubt consulted many people already working in the fitness industry.

I in turn can flip that and say that you are basically saying that someone who works in football knows better than someone who researches and teaches this field everyday. I could say I find that highly insulting as I am more qualified in the field of sports science than anyone working in football as are the majority of my colleagues. You can call me arrogant, boastful whatever you want but it's true so from my perspective it's not arrogance. Footballers in the main are ill-educated as all they have done in their lifes is play. Do you think they spend hours each day studying??? I do as do my colleagues. Now again I'll add in that I can't kick a ball to the same degree as a footballer. That's there talent, the science is mine...

We teach the interference affect to 2nd years, I see no issue with saying that, practicing it in the applied world is something else. We advise some serious clubs, much bigger than Sunderland. Do they follow the interference affect? No. Do we tell them too, yes of course we do but what they choose to believe and practice is there choice. If I was too say leave 3 hours between high intensity aerobic training and strength training to ensure we get the best adaptation possible, would you follow it? If you tried to impose that at a club most of the players would kick-off, why do i have to stay till 5pm, etc etc. Most clubs train strength 9-10ish then go straight to the field for football. The chances are they won't get the training benefit from the field work as it's inhibited by the strength. But they do it anyway. It will also increase their fatigue levels. Then you have the time of day affect, so strength performance is significantly better at the time of day you train it. Most matches are played between 3-5pm, so surely since significance means a 5% difference you again would follow it, ie strength training takes place between 3-5pm. But again the players will complain even when it's explained to them. Again it's more about convenience than best practice. Lets say you signed a player for tens of millions and found out via your nutritionist that his diet was basically chocolate and sweets. Obviously this is a shocking diet for a supposed athlete earning some 100K a week and will seriously negatively affect his physical and mental performance. So what do you think the manager would do once he knows? He will let it slide as he doesn't want to upset the player. That's a true story from one of the biggest clubs in our country and very recent. IMO that's a disgraceful choice to make. Football is not the idyllic world some on here believe it is. Do you know that one of the players playing for England the other night smokes 20+ cigarettes a day??? One of them defo does I have seen him doing it. Again why is this allowed? Football is more about players feelings and desires than best practice. So since the majority of those working in the game at all levels IE managers / coaches / sports scientists are ex-players what do you think is most important to them?

Most of the staff spend most of the day at trainings, coaching etc and then they go home. And that's it, they then don't spend hours reading all of the 500,000+ journals published in sports physiology each year so they're up to date and at the cutting edge. Even we struggle to keep up devoting 40+ hours a week too it all and focus on one aspect of it all. The majority of those working in football have only undergrads and most of them won't have a 1st class and will be 2-1 / 2-2's. This is an issue as a 1st means you can do one thing that all those grades below can't, critique the literature. So they read a journal understand the process, but cannot pick holes in it. Do you think they will construct the ideal training structure? Or will they construct one based around their realm of knowledge? Lets say they studied their degree 10 years ago, this will again mean they are out of date and behind the times. It will be decent but it will never be ideal and it will never be cutting edge. You will get one paper that says this works, then you'll get another that says it doesn't, do they have the ability to disect it all to figure out which one is right? In the main no they don't, education is not their talent. So what do they do? Remember the previous paragraph shows one personality aspect is very dominate in football, the ego. Does an egotist turn to others for help???? Or does he know it all or know better???

All anyone has to do with any of my posts is google it and check it. But no-one does they just make assumption after assumption with no knowledge and I'm the arrogant one.

[old darwen blue]

Well I like reading your posts Maj

[Audax]

Well I like reading your posts Maj

I agree, everyone is mainly just speculating here on a message board anyway, with most everything that is said.

Or else, they'd set up a requirement that only certain personnel of clubs could post here.

[thenodrog]

Well I like reading your posts Maj

...... apart from the one above odb.

You need to lighten up and not take it all so seriously maj. It's hardly nuclear fission or astro physics........ it's just 22 grown men chasing a bag of wind around a field.

[Batman.]

...... apart from the one above odb.

You need to lighten up and not take it all so seriously maj. It's hardly nuclear fission or astro physics........ it's just 22 grown men chasing a bag of wind around a field.

Spot on. Although you forgot to mention the 20,000 morons in the stands who think that they know it all..

[Majiball]

...... apart from the one above odb.

You need to lighten up and not take it all so seriously maj. It's hardly nuclear fission or astro physics........ it's just 22 grown men chasing a bag of wind around a field.

No it's not physics, it's reality not theoretical guesswork. We'll think of it as Lancashire United

Now everyone who watches Rovers is a moron and shouldn't have an opinion, why do you bother?

[Batman.]

Now everyone who watches Rovers is a moron and shouldn't have an opinion, why do you bother?

I said "20,000 morons in the stand." When was the last time we had that many in the crowd?

Also, when did I say that they shouldn't have an opinion? You really aren't the best reader are you? Now, revert back to type and tell us how good you are.

[thenodrog]

No it's not physics, it's reality not theoretical guesswork. We'll think of it as Lancashire United

Ha! And if your degree was in economics rather then sports science you'd agree ! Touche.

[Majiball]

I said "20,000 morons in the stand." When was the last time we had that many in the crowd?

Also, when did I say that they shouldn't have an opinion? You really aren't the best reader are you? Now, revert back to type and tell us how good you are.

Do you hound everyone who says the club/manager/player should have done something different? your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

As I said have my sympathies and the candle will be lit tomorrow.

Ha! And if your degrees were in economics rather then sports science you'd agree ! Touche.

Corrected it for you.

[Batman.]

Do you hound everyone who says the club/manager/player should have done something different? your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

As I said have my sympathies and the candle will be lit tomorrow.

Corrected it for you.

Again, you appear to be answering a point that was never made. And if you'll be attending Church tomorrow it might explain why you're so full of @#/? whilst being so self assured.

Good luck.

[Majiball]

Again, you appear to be answering a point that was never made. And if you'll be attending Church tomorrow it might explain why you're so full of kean whilst being so self assured.

Good luck.

So now people who attend church are full of kean? The worlds clearly a dark place for you and clearly everyone should follow your life mantra as you know best and how everyone should act.

Every post you have ever made in reference to me has been about a point that is never made or written. It still amazes me you can't see the reality of what you do when you attack me as you never respond with reason. At least you make me chuckle.

Everyone gets it you don't like me, move on and get over it and give the rest of the MB a break.

[Batman.]

So now people who attend church are full of kean? The worlds clearly a dark place for you and clearly everyone should follow your life mantra as you know best and how everyone should act.

Every post you have ever made in reference to me has been about a point that is never made or written. It still amazes me you can't see the reality of what you do when you attack me as you never respond with reason. At least you make me chuckle.

Everyone gets it you don't like me, move on and get over it and give the rest of the MB a break.

There's no hope

[T.J.Newton]

I cant wait to hear what words of wisdom Danny Murphy is going to come out with on MOD tonight!!

[Tom]

He gets a lot of stick but that finish from Wellbeck is sublime in the extreme

If that's Messi you never hear the end of it

[DE.]

Yep, Welbeck is a good player and has all the tools to become a great one imo. Really good team ethic, capable of exceptional finishing (last season aside ), pacy, clever, professional... think this could be his breakthrough season with Rooney likely to either player a lesser role or be sold.

[M-K]

The half-time and post-match analysis on Sky now has a studio audience. It looks absolutely dreadful - all these blokes standing around behind the presenters, self-consciously trying to avoid staring into the camera.

They've got to drop that idea, it's the most amateurish thing ever.

[DE.]

There's absolutely no need for an audience on that show. They barely get involved at all except to applaud, which is ridiculous in of itself. It's not a game show and there are no variety segments. It's just two blokes talking and analysing highlights whilst people stand around looking mildly bored.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Welbeck's a donkey imo. His ball control is shocking and he's not much of a finisher.