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What a t1t, refs are scared of United, and why didn't Mirallas go on Saturday ?

Unbelievable that, given some of the soft ones that apprently warrant a straight red (Wes Brown springs straight to mind). As far as I can see there was no bad timing etc .... Miralles went for Suarez plain and simple. Whether Suarez had been gobbing off / winding up or whether he had just had a grip on Miralles @#/? as a corner came in I don't know but I do know Miralles intention was to seriously hurt Suarez. If his weight had been on that leg it could have finished his career.

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especially as he went on to score one and make one. Cardiff have every right to be keaned off by that. Cant lie straight in bed some folk.

He made up for it at the end, though. It looked like a Cardiff player slapped Fellaini in the face when they were jostling for the free kick, the ref had a word with them but didn't award the free kick to Utd, and Cardiff ultimately scored from it.

Still, how mediocre were Man Utd? Moyes has crippled them.

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Or Steeeeeeeevie Geeeee for that matter

Nowt wrong with that imo. No one can award a fould where there was no contact..... would have been as ridiculous a sending off as Wes Browns.

........ still a million miles of the crass stupidity in sending Jason Wilcox off at Forest for dropping the ball about eleventeen seasons ago. :angry2: Omly plus out of that was that it saved me lots of dosh cos (very imp matches aside) I virtually gave up travelling away with BRFC after that.

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He made up for it at the end, though. It looked like a Cardiff player slapped Fellaini in the face when they were jostling for the free kick, the ref had a word with them but didn't award the free kick to Utd, and Cardiff ultimately scored from it.

Still, how mediocre were Man Utd? Moyes has crippled them.

I disagree. Moyes inherited a poisoned chalice, they were being crippled anyway. My mate's a MU fan and I told him way back last season that if they were to sell up then only 1 of their players / poss 2 would be bought by any club targetting the Semi finals of the Champions league. He didn't disagree either. The rest are mediocre players or has beens. Anybody who thinks the likes of Evans, Smalling, Wellbeck, Cleverly, Valencia, Carrick etc would interest the likes of Bayern or Barca doesn't know football whilst Ferdinand and Giggs just need be shipped off to the glue factory. The Glasers have been milking that club since they sold Ronaldo.

Good innit? :tu:

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Nowt wrong with that imo. No one can award a fould where there was no contact..... would have been as ridiculous a sending off as Wes Browns.

........ still a million miles of the crass stupidity in sending Jason Wilcox off at Forest for dropping the ball about eleventeen seasons ago. :angry2: Omly plus out of that was that it saved me lots of dosh cos (very imp matches aside) I virtually gave up travelling away with BRFC after that.

You can be sent off for attempting to strike an opponent. The same applies to attempting to kick.

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You can be sent off for attempting to strike an opponent. The same applies to attempting to kick.

I'm not even sure Gerrard was even looking at Barry. Many people don't realise that whilst a raised arm might be an offensive act it is equally a defensive one too. When you know their is a collision with another player on it's way it's instinct to raise an arm for protection. Lots of refs imo dont see that and stick to the soft option of the letter of the law.

btw Arbitro how do you view 'intimidation'? Is it a punishable offence in football? I used to raise my boot waist high when charging in to a tackle that was 60:40 against me but I always dropped it just before there was any contact. Quite usual for the other player to chicken out and pull out of the challenge.

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I'm not even sure Gerrard was even looking at Barry. Many people don't realise that whilst a raised arm might be an offensive act it is equally a defensive one too. When you know their is a collision with another player on it's way it's instinct to raise an arm for protection. Lots of refs imo dont see that and stick to the soft option of the letter of the law.

btw Arbitro how do you view 'intimidation'? Is it a punishable offence in football? I used to raise my boot waist high when charging in to a tackle that was 60:40 against me but I always dropped it just before there was any contact. Quite usual for the other player to chicken out and pull out of the challenge.

The fact that Gerard wasn't looking shouldn't matter. The fact that he lead with his elbow could have been enough for him to be sent off. The word 'intent' was taken out of law some time ago (except for hand-ball) when it was considered that it would help with consistency. However in the Gerard instance the referee clearly understood the situation and for me called it correct.

Intimidation as you describe should be viewed as unsporting behaviour but again the referee would have to judge each case in isolation. I'm guessing it is some time since you played and, as I recall from my playing days and early days as a referee mostly anything goes.

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The fact that Gerard wasn't looking shouldn't matter. The fact that he lead with his elbow could have been enough for him to be sent off. The word 'intent' was taken out of law some time ago (except for hand-ball) when it was considered that it would help with consistency. However in the Gerard instance the referee clearly understood the situation and for me called it correct.

Intimidation as you describe should be viewed as unsporting behaviour but again the referee would have to judge each case in isolation. I'm guessing it is some time since you played and, as I recall from my playing days and early days as a referee mostly anything goes.

Anything for an advantage arbitro. If someone is chicken you work on it, if someone is a whip top with a short fuse then work on that. Everybody has an achilles heel and the sooner you find your opponent's weakness the better it is. We went out often with the managers words ringing in our ears to 'win our personal battles in the first 10 minutes'.

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He made up for it at the end, though. It looked like a Cardiff player slapped Fellaini in the face when they were jostling for the free kick, the ref had a word with them but didn't award the free kick to Utd, and Cardiff ultimately scored from it.

To be fair, Fellaini elbowed the Cardiff player in the face first - and I bet he'd been doing it all game. Fellaini to Utd for £28M remains one of the most baffling transfers of recent times. He looks so out of his depth at United it's untrue, Everton played to his strengths and made him look far better than he is. I'll admit I haven't seen him play too often for Belgium but at club level he's been awful this season.

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I disagree. Moyes inherited a poisoned chalice, they were being crippled anyway. My mate's a MU fan and I told him way back last season that if they were to sell up then only 1 of their players / poss 2 would be bought by any club targetting the Semi finals of the Champions league. He didn't disagree either. The rest are mediocre players or has beens. Anybody who thinks the likes of Evans, Smalling, Wellbeck, Cleverly, Valencia, Carrick etc would interest the likes of Bayern or Barca doesn't know football whilst Ferdinand and Giggs just need be shipped off to the glue factory. The Glasers have been milking that club since they sold Ronaldo.

Good innit? :tu:

I remember you mentioning that here, and I pointed out a few that would interest / have been tapped up by prospective Champions League winners recently - De Gea (Barca), Rooney (Chelsea), Januzaj (Man City), Kagawa (Dortmund), Rafael (probably), erm... some others.... There's talk of Evra to PSG or Monaco, and both those clubs have big ambition and money to burn. Van Persie is presumably still good enough.

Anyway, even if they wouldn't displace the entire Real Madrid first 11, I still think there's something odd about how much worse they are now than last season. Ferguson had some tactical nous, but all Moyes can do is bring on Ryan Giggs.

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As for Man Utd , cannot see much hope as long as Jones and Cleverley are in their midfield ....

If Rooney was to get hurt , they could well miss out on a Champions league place . RVP has resorted to his Arsenal days ,keeps being injured , wonder if Fergie was still there if the injuries would be ?

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Can't help but feel Fulham`s time in the prem is coming to an end. The signs are there: new owner that promised to invest a lot of money but has invested very little, appointed an untested manager, and bought lots of cheap foreigners and past it prem players. Them and palace will go and maybe Cardiff. Really rate poyet so think he'll keep Sunderland up.

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Bit of an Eric Black situation at Fulham in my eyes.

The guy's been part of the problem at Fulham over the last few weeks so what is there to suggest that things will miraculously improve by leaving him there but merely swapping him round with Jol?

Fulham would have been better starting from scratch imo however that said I heard the bloke interviewed on Talksport a while back and he did come across very well indeed so I suppose he could surprise everyone

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I think Rene was brought in essentially as Jol's replacement, so not sure how much real input he's had into anything in the past few weeks.

It does seem like a bit of a risk, I know Meulensteen is well thought of as a coach but that does not automatically translate to being a good manager.

But then look at Steve Clarke - sometimes it works.

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Success at other clubs? Porto yes, what others? He spent an absolute fortune in the summer and the spuds have been at best, very average so far. Hardly the top four/champion side that many expected.

Added to that their North London neighbours are in a rich vein of form, whilst he can't change that, the gang at WHL will be seething that having spent a lot less Wenger has his lot playing a lot better.

I know that their net spend is almost zero, but they shipped one out and seven in, and none of the seven have set the world alight, manager's are judged on results and the success of their signings, AVB is doing poorly on both counts.

Apparently he had a fan who was singing " sacked in the morning" thrown out at their midweek European game.....ginger tosser.

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