[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[SydneyRover]

I don't really think pundits do their own research now, and whenever I see him on telly I don't consider him to be worse or better than anyone else.

He is a novice , 100 percent, but I am not saying he is guaranteed to be a success. You are stating that he won't be. All I am questioning is why a fan would not want to support him?

I think pundits do their own research or at least apply their own knowledge and analysis to things, do you think say Hansen's reading of the game is done by some guy in the suit, or do you think those are his own thoughts? Surely its the second, though as it happens I think the quality of Hansen's punditry has tailed off in recent years but that's a separate issue.

I think many people have a particularly negative opinion on Shearer's punditry skills.

Did I say I don't want him to do well? I would love to see him do well. When Kean took charge I was dead against that but I still wanted to do well as it meant the club doing well. Obviously here there'd be the added fairy tale thing if by chance we did well.

However I am almost certain he won't get us promoted, and with the parachute payments drying up after next season, this is our best chance to go back up that we'll ever have. And we are wasting it on a wet dream.

Mark Hughes was a manager who install those 3 things I said, whlist Mark Bowen and Eddie Niedzwiecki did the training and set the tactics along with Hughes.

so why cant Shearer, Dowie and Newell do the same??????

Because Hughes was still tactically adept, and had significant experience from his Wales days going into the Rovers job.

Your logic that "if person X can do it, why can't person Y do the same?" is commonly used on this board, but doesn't really stand up as an argument whatsoever.

When making this crucial appointment, we shouldn't be asking why someone can't do something, but why they CAN do something.

The answers for Shearer here are minimal.

[yoda]

This club is eternally in debt to Big Al, for what he did on and off the pitch. Booth makes the best point, it's dreamland stuff if Shearer works out.

If you came home and found Shearer giving the mrs one, you would have to apologise for not having fresh bed sheets on.

Kenny Logan didn't !

[Speedie Dived]

Kenny Logan didn't !

Ha ha ha, allegedly

[Mullionvagrant]

I would welcome him! Why do if feel this? :-

1) I trust him and know that he won't take rubbish i don't think he suffers fools easily

2) I feel he will make the team work hard-i.e fitness.

3) He was always a very professional player

4) He is well connected in the media world and will keep the world focused on Rovers (BBC etc) will be nice to have some of the media world reporting unbiased/truth i.e if Shearer is unhappy for good reason we will know.

5) He was from an era at Rovers where all our troubles seemed so far away-i don't necessarily care about promotion (though wages demand it) i care about getting our club back some integrity and sole. If you are a true fan then i can't see how his appointment won't change things hugely for the positive.

[yoda]

Ha ha ha, allegedly

pm'd you

[Mullionvagrant]

I would welcome him! Why do if feel this? :-

1) I trust him and know that he won't take rubbish i don't think he suffers fools easily

2) I feel he will make the team work hard-i.e fitness.

3) He was always a very professional player

4) He is well connected in the media world and will keep the world focused on Rovers (BBC etc) will be nice to have some of the media world reporting unbiased/truth i.e if Shearer is unhappy for good reason we will know.

5) He was from an era at Rovers where all our troubles seemed so far away-i don't necessarily care about promotion (though wages demand it) i care about getting our club back some integrity and sole. If you are a true fan then i can't see how his appointment won't change things hugely for the positive.

There are of course negatives with his potential appointment, but i'm not commenting on those because i want to get behind the club and the next manager!!

[SydneyRover]

I would welcome him! Why do if fee this? :-

1) I trust him and know that he won't take rubbish i don't think h suffers fools easily

2) I feel he will make the team work hard-i.e fitness.

3) He was always a very professional player

4) He is well connected in the media world and will keep the world focused on Rovers (BBC etc) will be nice to have some of the media world reporting unbiased/truth i.e if Shearer is unhappy for good reason we will know.

5) He was from an era at Rovers where all our troubles seemed so far away-i don't necessarily care about promotion (though wages demand it) i care about getting our club back some integrity and sole. If you are a true fan then i can't see how this won't change things hugely for the positive.

Although I live 10,000 miles away these days, I still regard myself as a true fan.

And I do care about promotion, and call me strange but above all else I want to see us winning games.

As much as we hate Steve Kean now, if he didn't get us relegated and consolidated the mid table performances we'd previously been achieving, the fans wouldn't have minded too much anything else he did, and half of the other stuff wouldn't have even become an issue.

Your points ignore the actual realities of the game IMO.

[yoda]

I would welcome him! Why do if feel this? :-

1) I trust him and know that he won't take rubbish i don't think he suffers fools easily

2) I feel he will make the team work hard-i.e fitness.

3) He was always a very professional player

4) He is well connected in the media world and will keep the world focused on Rovers (BBC etc) will be nice to have some of the media world reporting unbiased/truth i.e if Shearer is unhappy for good reason we will know.

5) He was from an era at Rovers where all our troubles seemed so far away-i don't necessarily care about promotion (though wages demand it) i care about getting our club back some integrity and sole. If you are a true fan then i can't see how his appointment won't change things hugely for the positive.

If it was not for the venkys owning us you may be correct

[Mullionvagrant]

If it was not for the venkys owning us you may be correct

i feel i can trust Shearer to not be part of that circus and to work for the fans and good of rovers (and of course himself). It is all about Trust and i trust shearer.

Venky's and co' can try and pull the strings etc do things poorly but i think with shearer we would know about it/he wouldn't be a yes man like Kean thats for sure.

And I do care about promotion, and call me strange but above all else I want to see us winning games.

and so do i but i want to feel the love for what our club stands for above anything else. Promotion to me is not the main priority!!

My points don't ignore the realities of the game-they get right down to the heart and sole of what our club should be (WAS). Results are not everything!!

[yoda]

i feel i can trust Shearer to not be part of that circus and to work for the fans and good of rovers (and of course himself). It is all about Trust and i trust shearer.

Venky's and co' can try and pull the strings etc do things poorly but i think with shearer we would know about it/he wouldn't be a yes man Kean thats for sure.

And I do care about promotion, and call me strange but above all else I want to see us winning games.

and so do i but i want to feel the love for what our club stands for above anything else. Promotion to me is not the main priority!!

I am sure your right on that point, which would probably mean Shearer would leave in rapid time

[Mullionvagrant]

I am sure your right on that point, which would probably mean Shearer would leave in rapid time

Probably but the World would know why!!!!

[DP]

I'm not following this thread religiously (quite frankly I would be a fool to do so), but it appears only 7.5% of board members would 'accept' Shearer as the next Rovers boss! So, not our preference at all, but to simply accept the decision. Just goes to show how much we've got our heads stuck in the clouds about where our standing is these days and how only a few weeks ago it was 'Anyone but Kean'.

Actually this can't be right, only 22.83% would accept Holloway?? Who are we all waiting for? Pep Guardiola?

[SydneyRover]

i feel i can trust Shearer to not be part of that circus and to work for the fans and good of rovers (and of course himself). It is all about Trust and i trust shearer.

Venky's and co' can try and pull the strings etc do things poorly but i think with shearer we would know about it/he wouldn't be a yes man like Kean thats for sure.

And I do care about promotion, and call me strange but above all else I want to see us winning games.

and so do i but i want to feel the love for what our club stands for above anything else. Promotion to me is not the main priority!!

My points don't ignore the realities of the game-they get right down to the heart and sole of what our club should be (WAS). Results are not everything!!

Okay, I'm sure you will enjoy seeing Shearer on the touchline as we lie 16th in the Championship and lose our record of not losing to Burnley.

The potential financial implications of our club not making a quick return to the PL are frightening.

Additionally, when this does start going t*ts up this could bring far bigger divisions in our support than the Kean affair ever did.

At least there was no emotional attachment to Kean, when he started underperforming the majority wanted him out, though there was differences in opinion on how we should protest etc.

However the emotional attachment people have to Shearer will make things much more difficult in uniting the fanbase. If results don't come then we'll be divided between those of us who see he's not doing well enough and should be removed, and those who want to see him given an extended run managing the club as he's a club legend. Additionally Venky's will likely not sack him in a hurry either prolonging this situation.

This has the potential to divide fans much more than Kean ever did.

[Mullionvagrant]

Okay, I'm sure you will enjoy seeing Shearer on the touchline as we lie 16th in the Championship and lose our record of not losing to Burnley.

The potential financial implications of our club not making a quick return to the PL are frightening.

You really are missing the point. For the last 2 years we have been surrounded by uncertainty and a manager we don't trust. There is so much uncertainty around the place it is untrue. Shearer i trust not to be a part of any of that nonsense. I can begin to enjoy watching football again. With the appointment of a good number 2 and Newell etc why not (Newell was a hell of a good manager-and had HUGE potential and due to his morals on agents etc i trust him too lol). Quite frankly i think it is time to get behind the club and with this potential appointment i feel i can finally do that. IF we do not get promoted and there are financial implications etc then that can only serve to push Venky's towards parting with the club-that for me is not a bad thing!!

[Blue n White Rover]

Kamy on twitter:

Number of reliable sources telling me new manager should be in before Weds. Who is the new manager, is less clear.

Few people telling me it's Shearer, I would be surprised if he decided to work with Venky's.If I hear anything more solid will let you know.

[Kamy100]

Looks like the hunt for the new manager is coming to an end, whoever it is should be in before Wednesday.

Regardless of who the new manager is, at least by making the appointment it will end the "uncertainty" and we can get on with things.

So finger crossed what I am being told is right and that the new manager is in before Wednesday.

[yoda]

Probably but the World would know why!!!!

And the world does not already know!

SidneyRover above has got it more less spot on plus it would destroy the one of our legends standing at the club

[broadsword]

Please not Shearer.

It would be a bribe to the fans, to try to get them back onside and get people through the turnstile again.

It's blinkered thinking, because the guy would not get us promoted.

It would be a strange appointment after shearer said he would need assurances that things would change. All I can say is, if he's had those assurances, then they've been lying through their teeth. He'd probably want to spend some money in January for a start, well I bet there's nothing in the pot to spend come Jan.

[SydneyRover]

You really are missing the point. For the last 2 years we have been surrounded by uncertainty and a manager we don't trust. There is so much uncertainty around the place it is untrue. Shearer i trust not to be a part of any of that nonsense. I can begin to enjoy watching football again. With the appointment of a good number 2 and Newell etc why not (Newell was a hell of a good manager-and had HUGE potential). Quite frankly i think it is time to get behind the club and this appointment i feel i can finally do that. IF we do not get promoted and there are financial implications etc then that can only serve to push Venky's towards parting with the club-that for me is not a bad thing!!

No mate you are missing the point entirely.

Do you honestly think if the results had been good under Kean and Venky's we would have been having these discussions?

Newell was a hell of a good manager? Let's see:

Hartlepool: Took over when they had a 16 point lead at the top of Division Three. Poor form after Newell took over and they only got promoted as runners up. Contract not renewed.

Luton Town:

Did well, got them promoted and held their own in the Championship one season, however they dropped back down towards the relegation zone.

Grimsby:

P53 W 13 D 11 L29. Kean-esque.

Is that really one hell of a good manager? And since when has having a novice manager in charge and the assistant pulling all the strings tactically ever worked?! The manager needs to take the lead, not the assistant.

You think us being financially screwed might be a good thing as it might make Venky's give up the club? Have you seen what is still happening to Portsmouth? Do you want to see that happening at Ewood?

Sorry mate, can't discuss this any further with you as quite simply you don't know what you're on about whatsoever.

[OJRovers]

I wouldn't be happy with shearer, but would get behind him, hopefully the results would come, but it's a gamble.

[bob fleming]

I'm not following this thread religiously (quite frankly I would be a fool to do so), but it appears only 7.5% of board members would 'accept' Shearer as the next Rovers boss! So, not our preference at all, but to simply accept the decision. Just goes to show how much we've got our heads stuck in the clouds about where our standing is these days and how only a few weeks ago it was 'Anyone but Kean'.

Actually this can't be right, only 22.83% would accept Holloway?? Who are we all waiting for? Pep Guardiola?

Not quite DP, the percentages shown are the percentage of the total vote. In order to find the true percentage of who would accept e.g. Alan Shearer you would need two options: "who would accept" and "who would not". At the moment we only have "who would accept" which just gives you a total number of votes and no true / meaningful percentage. Now if you'll excuse me, I have trains to spot.

[yoda]

Not quite DP, the percentages shown are the percentage of the total vote. In order to find the true percentage of who would accept e.g. Alan Shearer you would need two options: "who would accept" and "who would not". At the moment we only have "who would accept" which just gives you a total number of votes and no true / meaningful percentage. Now if you'll excuse me, I have trains to spot.

Change it to managers to spot, you will be better than the venkys

Surprised Kamy's post has not sent the site into melt down yet, just shows the lack of interest the venkys have caused

[Speedie Dived]

You really are missing the point. For the last 2 years we have been surrounded by uncertainty and a manager we don't trust. There is so much uncertainty around the place it is untrue. Shearer i trust not to be a part of any of that nonsense. I can begin to enjoy watching football again. With the appointment of a good number 2 and Newell etc why not (Newell was a hell of a good manager-and had HUGE potential and due to his morals on agents etc i trust him too lol). Quite frankly i think it is time to get behind the club and with this potential appointment i feel i can finally do that. IF we do not get promoted and there are financial implications etc then that can only serve to push Venky's towards parting with the club-that for me is not a bad thing!!

Hallelujah, that basically sums everything up perfectly. Top post

[Tardyrover]

SHEARER SHEARER SHEARER!!!

[mhead]

If Kamy is proved right lets just start the new era at Blackburn Rovers Football Club.

The clear out will take a long time(including seeing off the Venkys) but at least without Keano there is not a mouthpiece for the untruths.

We have to end this cynical negativism...but it is hard when the opportunities are so many!

Get behind whoever is the New Manager. We need him.