[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[SydneyRover]

Hallelujah, that basically sums everything up perfectly. Top post

[Speedie Dived]

If you are quoting Newell's stats from Grimsby I am afraid you have missed everything about these last two years.

[DP]

Not quite DP, the percentages shown are the percentage of the total vote. In order to find the true percentage of who would accept e.g. Alan Shearer you would need two options: "who would accept" and "who would not". At the moment we only have "who would accept" which just gives you a total number of votes and no true / meaningful percentage. Now if you'll excuse me, I have trains to spot.

You're right. Serves me right for being a topic skimmer. So 27% would accept Shearer, 76% OGS, and 82% Holloway, if my sums are correct. If so, then that's more like it.

Oh, and I hear Cherrytree is good these days for the odd steam train passing through....

[davulsukur]

Thanks for the updates Kamy.

Although I am glad the manager search is drawing to a conclusion, I can't say I would be happy with Shearer. At this time, he is not what we need.

Who would his back room team be? Dowie and Newell?

[vwcr]

Is it true holloway has said no? Did he even get asked?

[SydneyRover]

If you are quoting Newell's stats from Grimsby I am afraid you have missed everything about these last two years.

I think a post which describes Newell as a "hell of a good manager" and says financial ruin might not be such a bad thing as it'd force Venky's out is laughable, not 100% perfect to be honest.

How is quoting Newell's stats from Grimsby as evidence he is not a "hell of a good manager" missing anything about these last two years?!

[CrazyIvan]

There could be some embarrassed ITKers on here if the manager gets appointed on Wednesday and it's not Black, Holloway or Shirley. Personally, I just want to see a bloody good manager appointed. Shearer, while utterly underwhelming, would at least get a lot of support.

[yoda]

You're right. Serves me right for being a topic skimmer. So 27% would accept Shearer, 76% OGS, and 82% Holloway, if my sums are correct. If so, then that's more like it.

Oh, and I hear Cherrytree is good these days for the odd steam train passing through....

http://www.ribblevalleyrail.co.uk/Gallery%2019T.htm

[PAFELL]

If we left with just a choice of two - Shearer or Mckinlay. Then I would go for Shearer. At least Shearer is not a friend of kean.

[tugay5]

It's unfair to judge shearer on 8 games at Newcastle. They were a poor side when he took them over and they wernt his players. He couldn't sign anyone or really make the team his own. He will get chance to do this at rovers. Whatever happens, it's better than having kean. I'm backing big al all the way! SHEARER! SHEARER! SHEARER!!!

[Ralfinho]

I wonder if they are saying a new manager will be in for Wed to generate interest in the game and get the attendances up when in reality there wont be

[bob fleming]

If we left with just a choice of two - Shearer or Mckinlay. Then I would go for Shearer. At least Shearer is not a friend of kean.

I know. I mean, what are the chances?! Only Venky's could fine one of those.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I believe John Williams offered Shearer the job before Ince, so even the great JW did see something in him...

Not only did John Williams - but Jack Walker offered him the role of player manager before he left for Newcastle. So - in this case - the Venky's are going for a manager that two of our heroes would have gone for. Personally see it as a gamble - but I started watching Rovers regularly under Kendall - who showed that a novice manager can come good.

[Willie Eckerslike]

Anyone know what Shearer's relationship with Hendry was like?

Would hope if he does get the gig that he will start afresh and not keep on our superb defensive coach for old times' sake

[Kelbo]

Shearer would be his own man, if he didnt think Hendry was what he wanted, he would be gone, I am sure about that, whilst it is a gamble, I do feel he would get a team ethic back again, the important issue is his backroom team, two former managers would be a massive help tactically, we aremid table and there is little pressure on him, when asked previously about managing Rovers, he was following a good manager, big thing in management, never follow a good one, only a bad one, the timing is right!!

[Speedie Dived]

I think a post which describes Newell as a "hell of a good manager" and says financial ruin might not be such a bad thing as it'd force Venky's out is laughable, not 100% perfect to be honest.

How is quoting Newell's stats from Grimsby as evidence he is not a "hell of a good manager" missing anything about these last two years?!

The reason Newell was raised on the original point was to stress how much he disliked agents, and we all know how we could do with a bit of that around here.

You also stated people would be fine with Kean 10th in the league, again proving how you have totally missed the point of the last 2 years.

[rovers_rob]

I would have thought today's LT would have something in about the manager but there isn't anything. In fact I can't see one story anywhere about the manager situation.

[Clitherover]

Looks like the hunt for the new manager is coming to an end, whoever it is should be in before Wednesday.

Regardless of who the new manager is, at least by making the appointment it will end the "uncertainty" and we can get on with things.

So finger crossed what I am being told is right and that the new manager is in before Wednesday.

Why do I get the feeling it's going to be Billy McKinlay?, if it is him it's going to be Kean all over again.

Would certainly take Shearer with Dowie and Newell as backroom over McKinlay although it would be nowhere near my first choice. I've been fed up of the whole situation for a while now and I just want them to appoint someone fast.

[rovers_rob]

I know we shouldn't be looking at the odds but Billy Mckinlay is favorite again and it looks like everyone else is drifting.

[Craigman]

I know we shouldn't be looking at the odds but Billy Mckinlay is favorite again and it looks like everyone else is drifting.

This will be due to the Sun stating that we are after him to be our new manager, people reading it this morning and putting a bet on him.

[SydneyRover]

The reason Newell was raised on the original point was to stress how much he disliked agents, and we all know how we could do with a bit of that around here.

You also stated people would be fine with Kean 10th in the league, again proving how you have totally missed the point of the last 2 years.

No, you might want to read the whole post again. The original point stated that Newell was one hell of a manager along with mentioning his stance on agents. He quite clearly wasn't one hell of a manager which is why I quoted his Grimsby stats amongst others to demonstrate just what a poorly informed post that was.

And I haven't missed the point of the last two years thank you very much. But much of the (justified) hatred directed towards Kean has been due to him continually spinning the teams' poor performances and lying about the motives of the protests etc and outright lying to the fans to keep himself in a job. Had the results been good, there would have been no protests, Kean would not have had to lie to defend his position and the club wouldn't have been in anything like the crisis it has been. The drink driving charge would have remained, but this would not have been seen in nearly the same light.

Rather than continually telling me I have "missed the point", hows about you actually try and justify this?

I would say by being pro the appointment of Shearer, you manage to spectacularly miss the point about what a football manager is for.

[den]

It's unfair to judge shearer on 8 games at Newcastle.

It's maybe unfair for "us" to judge him because we weren't involved. The people at Newcastle who were definitely in a position to judge him though, didn't want to keep him on. I can only imagine that a player who was seen as God at Saint James's Park would have been given the chance to make himself a managerial great as well, if he'd given the slightest impression that he was the man to take the club forward.

[Waggy76]

Shearer would be his own man, if he didnt think Hendry was what he wanted, he would be gone, I am sure about that, whilst it is a gamble, I do feel he would get a team ethic back again, the important issue is his backroom team, two former managers would be a massive help tactically, we aremid table and there is little pressure on him, when asked previously about managing Rovers, he was following a good manager, big thing in management, never follow a good one, only a bad one, the timing is right!!

That is an excellent point , of all the managers that have been linked ..

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Everyone is a gamble , including the 'safe hands' of the likes of McCarthy ,Curbs etc etc ..

Dalglish was a gamble , and there were times in the old Div 1 when that looked like it would back fire ...

Shearer is the only man besides Dalglish , who would excite me and put the BUZZ back into going down the Bolton Rd .....

He may not be any good ....

BUT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE TRIED AND FAILED , THAN TO LIVE LIFE WONDERING WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENEND IF I HAD TRIED .

[SydneyRover]

That is an excellent point , of all the managers that have been linked ..

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Everyone is a gamble , including the 'safe hands' of the likes of McCarthy ,Curbs etc etc ..

Dalglish was a gamble , and there were times in the old Div 1 when that looked like it would back fire ...

Shearer is the only man besides Dalglish , who would excite me and put the BUZZ back into going down the Bolton Rd .....

He may not be any good ....

BUT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE TRIED AND FAILED , THAN TO LIVE LIFE WONDERING WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENEND IF I HAD TRIED .

Yep, because hiring McCarthy who has won the league we are in twice, or Dalglish who had done well with Liverpool is exactly the same sort of gamble as hiring a novice like Shearer.

That's like saying "putting 50 quid on Saudi Arabia to win the next World Cup is a gamble, but then so is putting 50 quid on Spain to win it so let's do it".

Do you honestly think the buzz will be in Ewood once he starts losing games?

Do you honestly think that if McCarthy got us promoted Ewood wouldn't have a buzz?

[Speedie Dived]

I would say by being pro the appointment of Shearer, you manage to spectacularly miss the point about what a football manager is for.

Nobody, including myself, knows what he will be like. However, he should get every drop of our support to enable him to succeed due to his past actions.

I am sure it would be easy to rip apart your preferred manager.