[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[bradeagle]

think the priority is get someone in who will smash a few tea cups on the wall and get them of of this comfort zonethey have been in for far too long. they will be thinking losing is a positive result now after num nuts brain washed them for the last 2 yrs

[SydneyRover]

Nobody, including myself, knows what he will be like. However, he should get every drop of our support to enable him to succeed due to his past actions.

I am sure it would be easy to rip apart your preferred manager.

History tells us that hiring managers with a previous record of success (even with the odd failure in) will tend to do much better than a novice. Especially in what is a difficult situation, and when promotion in the next season or two is so important.

I don't see how this is difficult to argue.

The future of our club is at stake, there's no room for this ridiculous sentimentality. We don't owe the man a job, we owe ourselves the best shot of success, and Shearer quite patently is not it.

The one thing I will agree on is that if he does get the job, the atmosphere at Ewood on match day should be completely supportive. But that doesn't extend to discussing the basic facts and logic of the situation on message forums such as these.

[Beta Ray Bill]

I don't think any candidate is ever going to be 'ideal' as there are too many factors involved. Perhaps the most appropriate candidate could be done via algebra -

c = 2y x (5b + (8r + 3p)/2 + 2m - 3a) + 4q - 3w - 10000000k

where

c is candidate rating

y is lack of yes man

b is buzz created

r is track record

p is potential

m is media savvy

a is influence of agents

q is training qualifications

w is the wage

k is the similarity to KeanOut

all the variables rate on scale of 0-10. Who scores the most (or more likely the least negative score) gets the job.

[Gally]

Usually I'd be against making an appointment on this basis, and I'm still of the opinion that there are better options, but after the trauma and division of the last two years there definitely is value of an appointment who manages to get everyone onside.

[Waggy76]

You have a point Sydney Rover , it is a gamble but there is nothing written !!!!

McCarthy is not a racing certainty to get us promoted either , life is not that simple !

[bob fleming]

I don't think any candidate is ever going to be 'ideal' as there are too many factors involved. Perhaps the most appropriate candidate could be done via algebra -

c = 2y x (5b + (8r + 3p)/2 + 2m - 3a) + 4q - 3w - 10000000k

where

c is candidate rating

y is lack of yes man

b is buzz created

r is track record

p is potential

m is media savvy

a is influence of agents

q is training qualifications

w is the wage

k is the similarity to KeanOut

all the variables rate on scale of 0-10. Who scores the most (or more likely the least negative score) gets the job.

Don't let Shebby see that Bill - we'll be here until 2019 ! "So what was "c" again?"

[Batman.]

I think the only way to get the best out of Shearer as manager would be to get in Chris Sutton as his number two, with Stuart Ripley and Jason Wilcox as first team coaches.

[RevidgeBlue]

The club is in debt to Shearer so we should trust him, a man whose only experience in management is to have got 5 points from 8 games and relegated Newcastle, with the most important job appointment in the clubs history??!!

Jesus wept.

Blackburn Rovers Football Club is f--ed if Shearer gets the gig. This I am sure of.

I'll take that as a positive.

I'll bet though you'd be absolutely delighted if Souness was appointed, even though he very nearly ruined the Club by the end last time he was here and even though he hasn't managed for many years?

[yoda]

I think the only way to get the best out of Shearer as manager would be to get in Chris Sutton as his number two, with Stuart Ripley and Jason Wilcox as first team coaches.

Sutton as number 2 !!!!

[RevidgeBlue]

Sutton as number 2 !!!!

Whoosh!!!!

[SydneyRover]

I'll take that as a positive.

I'll bet though you'd be absolutely delighted if Souness was appointed, even though he very nearly ruined the Club by the end last time he was here and even though he hasn't managed for many years?

Why on earth do you say that? I would be against Souness for exactly those reasons you mentioned.

[dwayne cage]

Sutton as number 2 !!!!

As if that would ever happen haha

[RevidgeBlue]

I think the only way to get the best out of Shearer as manager would be to get in Chris Sutton as his number two, with Stuart Ripley and Jason Wilcox as first team coaches.

Very good!

[Waggy76]

Sutton as number 2 !!!!

The odds on that must 10000-1

[Kamy100]

There could be some embarrassed ITKers on here if the manager gets appointed on Wednesday and it's not Black, Holloway or Shirley. Personally, I just want to see a bloody good manager appointed. Shearer, while utterly underwhelming, would at least get a lot of support.

As I posted earlier, I have no idea who the new man is, only that he should be here by Wednesday. Shearer is just what some people have been saying but not been able to verify that.

The truth is that outside of a very close group of people (Shebby, the owners and possibily Shaw) nobody knows for sure who the new man is. Hopefully it is true that it will be done by Wednesday so that we can end the "uncertainty" and get on with things.

[Batman.]

The odds on that must 10000-1

Not now I've suggested it on here. Watch them fall as seven or eight cretins go and remortgage their houses and head to Bill Hills.

[yoda]

As I posted earlier, I have no idea who the new man is, only that he should be here by Wednesday. Shearer is just what some people have been saying but not been able to verify that.

The truth is that outside of a very close group of people (Shebby, the owners and possibily Shaw) nobody knows for sure who the new man is. Hopefully it is true that it will be done by Wednesday so that we can end the "uncertainty" and get on with things.

Someone in the loop must be bursting by now

[RevidgeBlue]

Why on earth do you say that? I would be against Souness for exactly those reasons you mentioned.

OK, I seem to remember him being a firm favourite of yours in the past and was wondering what your reaction would be. Top marks to you for being consistent.

[G Somerset Rover]

Not now I've suggested it on here. Watch them fall as seven or eight cretins go and remortgage their houses and head to Bill Hills.

I'm hearing he wants his pals Gillespie and Bellers involved in the set-up too.

[Speedie Dived]

History tells us that hiring managers with a previous record of success (even with the odd failure in) will tend to do much better than a novice. Especially in what is a difficult situation, and when promotion in the next season or two is so important.

I don't see how this is difficult to argue.

The future of our club is at stake, there's no room for this ridiculous sentimentality. We don't owe the man a job, we owe ourselves the best shot of success, and Shearer quite patently is not it.

The one thing I will agree on is that if he does get the job, the atmosphere at Ewood on match day should be completely supportive. But that doesn't extend to discussing the basic facts and logic of the situation on message forums such as these.

I can't disagree with the logic of wanting a manager with more experience and if I owned the club then this is the safe route I will probably go down. However, I am a fan, a fan that has disliked 99 percent of everything to do with the club since Venkys took over. From managers, to owners to crap players they have all been appalling.

However, the image of Shearer and Newell stood on the sideline is a tremendous one, and hopefully making it a success. If it fails, then we fail together this time.

It might all be irrelevant anyway when McKinley gets the job, ha ha

[JMillZz]

Yep, because hiring McCarthy who has won the league we are in twice, or Dalglish who had done well with Liverpool is exactly the same sort of gamble as hiring a novice like Shearer.

That's like saying "putting 50 quid on Saudi Arabia to win the next World Cup is a gamble, but then so is putting 50 quid on Spain to win it so let's do it".

Do you honestly think the buzz will be in Ewood once he starts losing games?

Do you honestly think that if McCarthy got us promoted Ewood wouldn't have a buzz?

I do understand your points but yours are as flawed as those who want Shearer. Who's to say that McCarthy would get us promoted? I know he has an impressive record in the Championship but nothing is guaranteed. If he loses games, then what? Every single option is a risk. Some risks are more calculated than others (ie the risk is lower) but nothing is certain, most certainly when it comes to football.

If Shearer is appointed everyone should get behind the team and save any grudges for if ACTUALLY goes tits up (and remember that's an IF). People on here are quick to write off anyone without giving them a chance. I am not saying support the likes of Judan Ali or McKinley as these are nonsensical, but appointing someone like Shearer, whilst not everyone's desired option, does have a certain allure to it and due to him having the right qualifications (coaching standards) and having the backing of quality backroom staff and media we should 100% give him a chance.

I know we are all the most cynical fans but we need to be realistic here. It isn't guaranteed that we will get a perfect manager and it isn't guaranteed an experienced manager would do well. If Shearer gets appointed and you boycott due to it not being a manager you'd have wanted then you need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and consider slipping on claret and blue instead.

I just wish everyone would give up bickering, we give the manager a chance and if it goes well then hurray we can all be happy. If it goes wrong then we can start moaning.

[RevidgeBlue]

The odds on that must 10000-1

This manager lark must really be getting to people. Best joke on here for a while and everyone's taking it as a serious suggestion.

[yoda]

I can't disagree with the logic of wanting a manager with more experience and if I owned the club then this is the safe route I will probably go down. However, I am a fan, a fan that has disliked 99 percent of everything to do with the club since Venkys took over. From managers, to owners to crap players they have all been appalling.

However, the image of Shearer and Newell stood on the sideline is a tremendous one, and hopefully making it a success. If it fails, then we fail together this time.

It might all be irrelevant anyway when McKinley gets the job, ha ha

Call me racist but do we want another Scotch man in charge

[SydneyRover]

I can't disagree with the logic of wanting a manager with more experience and if I owned the club then this is the safe route I will probably go down. However, I am a fan, a fan that has disliked 99 percent of everything to do with the club since Venkys took over. From managers, to owners to crap players they have all been appalling.

However, the image of Shearer and Newell stood on the sideline is a tremendous one, and hopefully making it a success. If it fails, then we fail together this time.

It might all be irrelevant anyway when McKinley gets the job, ha ha

The chance of failure is much higher than appointing a proven manager though. We'd have an assistant who has failed at two out of the three clubs he's been at and who's never assistant managed, with a manager who didn't exactly do well in his only stint as manager so far.

If it succeeded, got us promoted and kept us there, looking at it objectively it would be a massive surprise surely?

And I have to say this image of this uniting the fans I don't think will be accurate if it fails. There will be far more divisions and doubts within the fanbase about whether to fire Shearer than there ever was about whether to fire Kean if things don't go well.

[Batman.]

This manager lark must really be getting to people. Best joke on here for a while and everyone's taking it as a serious suggestion.

Like I was saying to Patrick Valery a few pages back, the humour's had to be dumbed down a bit since the good old days.