[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[chaddyrovers]

It's frightening the amount of ignorance surrounding Holloway. The man basically took a club to the Prem playing open attractive football on one the LOWEST BUDGETS IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. His wage budget in the Championship was small, the budget he had in the Prem was the smallest ever, around £10m per annum. Compare that with the £50m p.a. Kean had last year. His only big outlay in the Championship was Charlie Adams for £500k, who he then sold for £7m. He got Phillips very cheap from Wycombe who is now worth upwards of £8m. Tom Ince he got for a snip from Liverpool, who again is worth millions. His defence is basically made up of league 1&2 players because he's never had the budget to improve it. He improves EVERY SINGLE PLAYER he signs, most of whom are from scotland and the lower leagues.

While he was out of the game for a while he spent time in Holland learning how to improve as a coach. He completely changed his style of play and his approach to management. Hence the dutch-style system he now plays. I'd love him at Ewood and we'd be lucky to get him.

Just one more thing before i finish ranting. Can people not see the difference between what someone like Keith Hill can do at Barnsley (small budget) to what he could do at Rovers (big budget). I'm not saying he would be the new Messiah but a 26% win percentage at Barnsley does not equate to the same thing at a bigger club with better players.

great points Blueboy.

Also doesnt Holloway go to spain top clubs during international breaks to improve his coaching skills and tactics.

[Pedro]

Nope. I didn't overly like the football under Allardyce, but knew it was necessary for the greater good. He achieved minor miracles here, and for the record, it was the happiest I'd been as a blue since Hughes.....

Must try harder there Jim.

So, you preferred him to Ince then K-Hod?

[Gally]

It's frightening the amount of ignorance surrounding Holloway. The man basically took a club to the Prem playing open attractive football on one the LOWEST BUDGETS IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. His wage budget in the Championship was small, the budget he had in the Prem was the smallest ever, around £10m per annum. Compare that with the £50m p.a. Kean had last year. His only big outlay in the Championship was Charlie Adams for £500k, who he then sold for £7m. He got Phillips very cheap from Wycombe who is now worth upwards of £8m. Tom Ince he got for a snip from Liverpool, who again is worth millions. His defence is basically made up of league 1&2 players because he's never had the budget to improve it. He improves EVERY SINGLE PLAYER he signs, most of whom are from scotland and the lower leagues.

While he was out of the game for a while he spent time in Holland learning how to improve as a coach. He completely changed his style of play and his approach to management. Hence the dutch-style system he now plays. I'd love him at Ewood and we'd be lucky to get him.

Just one more thing before i finish ranting. Can people not see the difference between what someone like Keith Hill can do at Barnsley (small budget) to what he could do at Rovers (big budget). I'm not saying he would be the new Messiah but a 26% win percentage at Barnsley does not equate to the same thing at a bigger club with better players.

Spot on

[dubdubdub]

Doesn't Holloway have some sort of % on player sales, sure that came out around the time Adams was due to move pre season.

Out of the British contingent, Coyle would be a decent shout, his relegation IMO was heavily influenced by long term injuries to key players, IRC, 6-7 players out from Christmas some longer, like Holden.

Kean and Coyle can't be too far apart in terms of points gained whilst they were both in management together.

[Mercer]

It's frightening the amount of ignorance surrounding Holloway. The man basically took a club to the Prem playing open attractive football on one the LOWEST BUDGETS IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. His wage budget in the Championship was small, the budget he had in the Prem was the smallest ever, around £10m per annum. Compare that with the £50m p.a. Kean had last year. His only big outlay in the Championship was Charlie Adams for £500k, who he then sold for £7m. He got Phillips very cheap from Wycombe who is now worth upwards of £8m. Tom Ince he got for a snip from Liverpool, who again is worth millions. His defence is basically made up of league 1&2 players because he's never had the budget to improve it. He improves EVERY SINGLE PLAYER he signs, most of whom are from scotland and the lower leagues.

While he was out of the game for a while he spent time in Holland learning how to improve as a coach. He completely changed his style of play and his approach to management. Hence the dutch-style system he now plays. I'd love him at Ewood and we'd be lucky to get him.

Just one more thing before i finish ranting. Can people not see the difference between what someone like Keith Hill can do at Barnsley (small budget) to what he could do at Rovers (big budget). I'm not saying he would be the new Messiah but a 26% win percentage at Barnsley does not equate to the same thing at a bigger club with better players.

+1

[Boner]

Can't see why we'd want Coyle given who his agent is.

[chaddyrovers]

no to coyle. simple as.

[Ben-2000]

Can't believe all this nit picking - 3 weeks ago you'd have swapped Kean for most if not all of the above names in a heartbeat!

As for Holloway... he got Blackpool promoted against the odd's, yes they then got relegated on the final day of the season after but followed that up with a Play-off final appearance only to lose out to WHU. All this with a tight fisted owner to contend with.

We have a better squad than Blackpool and a few quid to spend no doubt. Think he would do a good job here.

Yes - I would take him in a heartbeat.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

As for Holloway. My heart wants him but my brain is cautious. He did do a good job taking Blackpool up BUT in my opinion after the start they had in the premier league, relegation WAS his doing. Once Blackpool got found out (around November) he ARROGANTLY refused to change his tactics which resulted in them getting battered every week. IF he had put out an Allardyce style team or simply told his team to defend instead of trying to outscore champions league teams they would have stayed up. Put this experience alongside his Leicester travesty AND add to the mix he STILL can't organise a defence with his current side and it doesn't look like a good option.

This is the best post I've seen regarding Holloway.....I watched a bit of their game vs H'field a couple of weeks ago.....H'field would leave 2 men up front when defending a corner.....and Blackpool would leave 2 men back.....comical if you ask me.....I'd much prefer semi-attractive passing football to gung-ho reckless football.

Curbishley, Grayson, Schuster, Freedman and McInnes are my top 5 at this moment in time.

[my_name_is_Earl]

IF Holloway is the choice now, what is the point in speaking to others like Robinson/Hill/Shearer etc. Why not just go for the jugular, get the fans back onside and crack on with it!?

If we are waiting to speak to others, than I would imagine it would be Singh's doing as he's the one looking for a young manager.

Message to Singh - drop the ego and appoint one of the better candidates for the job. I don't care what Robinson/Hill/Shearer have to say when there is somebody with a good reputation waiting for a call. Get on it sonny jim!

[roversfan99]

I would in the main be very pleased with Holloway but would hope we just go on and get him NOW.

He does play attacking football and can manage to unearth gems; I wonder what he could do with the likes of Ruben Rochina and Fabio Nunes who are already at the club; is his main skill actually developing players or unearthing them as raw prospects in the first place?

My only concern would be our already fragile defence, he isn't the man to bolster that but I trust him in that sense so much more than Kean. We need to be scoring goals at this level when we have the likes of Rhodes, Gomes, Kazim, Dunn, Rochina, Formica and Nunes all at the club to attack.

If he did join I would be delighted, although I would like him in charge for Derby next week. Which is not going to happen.

[dwayne cage]

Holloway isn't a bad manager but I wouldn't say he's a great manager either. Though being in the Championship average managers are probably what we are after.

I just find it astonishing that there has been about 5 pages of talk of Holloway when the guy will most likely not even be approached or be interested in us.

At least we are on topic though which is a bonus

[rovers11]

Not a fan of Holloway. Our main problem is the defensive side of our game and holloway's teams are woeful defensively. Gung ho football is not what we need. Blackpool could easily win 5-0 one week and lose 5-0 the next. Don't like that style.

He's done a good job at blackpool but his managerial record isn't anything special.

[roversfan99]

Karl Robinson's MK Dons just finished the dourest of 0-0 draws at Deepdale, it was live on sky. Very poor from both teams.

[Amo]

I just find it astonishing that there has been about 5 pages of talk of Holloway when the guy will most likely not even be approached or be interested in us.

Pretty much.

Holloway's just the latest name plucked out of the hat.

First it was Solksjaer, then it was Sherwood. Just going through the rumour mill before the Eric & Shebby show is announced.

[funny-old-game]

In an ideal world my 1st choice would be Mark Hughes without question but that's not going to happen!

From a logical point of view Mick McCarthy ( I don't like his style of play by the way! ) would be the best bet to get us promoted but once promoted we would then need to find a better manager to keep us up because McCarthy is a yoyo manager with regards to promotion then relegation.

Would McCarthy accept a short term deal with promotion being the objective then being replaced, I don't think so!

So then we have the risk factor Manager. do we go for someone like Tim Sherwood, well respected within the game but with no management experience. If he came with Joe Jordon and Kevin Bond, as a team they could be a really good, but again a risk and with the club being at such an important crossroads in its history, it maybe a bit to much to ask!

As for the rest, well it's a case of sticking the names on the dart board and see which one you hit first.

I wouldn't like to be in the position of choosing the manager because the list isn't that good in my opinion!

[Gav]

Nixon has mentioned before that one of the confused brothers liked Holloway, so thats where this story has come from, old news, Nixon doesn't have the inside track anymore.

[my_name_is_Earl]

Karl Robinson's MK Dons just finished the dourest of 0-0 draws at Deepdale, it was live on sky. Very poor from both teams.

If they're considering him, surely somebody will have been watching it. Dreadful game. Not the man at all in my book although, to be fair, it's only one game. MK Dons are usually better than today's display.

[Majiball]

It's frightening the amount of ignorance surrounding Holloway. The man basically took a club to the Prem playing open attractive football on one the LOWEST BUDGETS IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. His wage budget in the Championship was small, the budget he had in the Prem was the smallest ever, around £10m per annum. Compare that with the £50m p.a. Kean had last year. His only big outlay in the Championship was Charlie Adams for £500k, who he then sold for £7m. He got Phillips very cheap from Wycombe who is now worth upwards of £8m. Tom Ince he got for a snip from Liverpool, who again is worth millions. His defence is basically made up of league 1&2 players because he's never had the budget to improve it. He improves EVERY SINGLE PLAYER he signs, most of whom are from scotland and the lower leagues.

While he was out of the game for a while he spent time in Holland learning how to improve as a coach. He completely changed his style of play and his approach to management. Hence the dutch-style system he now plays. I'd love him at Ewood and we'd be lucky to get him.

Just one more thing before i finish ranting. Can people not see the difference between what someone like Keith Hill can do at Barnsley (small budget) to what he could do at Rovers (big budget). I'm not saying he would be the new Messiah but a 26% win percentage at Barnsley does not equate to the same thing at a bigger club with better players.

What Keith has achieved at both his clubs is strong and he deserves credit. Rochdale lfew under him and Barnsley play great football and perform results will come. Almost every point you've made about Ollie can be applied to Keith, but there's one major difference between the two and it's the reason I'd choose Hilly over Holloway. Hill embraces what football does not science and we all saw this summer what cohesion between the two can achieve.

[dwayne cage]

Nixon has mentioned before that one of the confused brothers liked Holloway, so thats where this story has come from, old news, Nixon doesn't have the inside track anymore.

Well if Nixon said it, probably not right.

If it is true probably the over ambitious brother who though Ronaldinho was a realistic target.

[Brfcrule1]

I can't believe some of you even suggesting Holloway our defence is so fragile you could run a wet paper towel through it and people would like us to bring in someone who plays 10 attackers with no thought for the defence?.

If by some miracle he did get us up every week in the prem we'd be getting battered 7-4 every week.

I'd even take Sherwood/Robinson over him.

Also we'd be also right back at square one because he might just get us back to the prem. but when there I very much doubt he would keep us there which would mean more chopping and changing more compo to sort out.

What this club needs to do is think long term and that is to get promoted & to stay there long term and several people on the list should be much higher up than they are which are Schuster/Curbishley/OGS/Benitez etc.. all capable of organising a defence and all play decent attacking football.

It really makes me wonder have these clowns in India not learnt anything in the 2 years they have been here

This is THEIR big chance the right appointment and fans come flocking back the wrong decision and they might as well pack up and leave.

Andy Cryer makes a very good point in the LET in 2 years I can't think of one decision they have got right.

It's hard to disagree with him there.

[ABBEY]

Black won't be next manager. At least 2 members of the family were 100% not in Bombay on the 13th.

oh zzzzzzzz

[The Rover of Finland]

Holloway would be more than fine for me. Would he leave Blackpool for us and surely they wouldn´t let him join to rivals for cheap.

[ABBEY]

How's this for a sobering thought ?

Lose next Saturday and we could be down as low as 14th and 8 or 9 points off the auto promo spots - season could be over !

Singh, Agnew, Shaw - stop p1ssing about.

Even Burnley have a three man shortlist after just 2 or 3 days.

bloody hell a good post

Needs sorting NOW !! Crazy chicken dipping turds.

[greco]

It's frightening the amount of ignorance surrounding Holloway. The man basically took a club to the Prem playing open attractive football on one the LOWEST BUDGETS IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. His wage budget in the Championship was small, the budget he had in the Prem was the smallest ever, around £10m per annum. Compare that with the £50m p.a. Kean had last year. His only big outlay in the Championship was Charlie Adams for £500k, who he then sold for £7m. He got Phillips very cheap from Wycombe who is now worth upwards of £8m. Tom Ince he got for a snip from Liverpool, who again is worth millions. His defence is basically made up of league 1&2 players because he's never had the budget to improve it. He improves EVERY SINGLE PLAYER he signs, most of whom are from scotland and the lower leagues.

While he was out of the game for a while he spent time in Holland learning how to improve as a coach. He completely changed his style of play and his approach to management. Hence the dutch-style system he now plays. I'd love him at Ewood and we'd be lucky to get him.

Just one more thing before i finish ranting. Can people not see the difference between what someone like Keith Hill can do at Barnsley (small budget) to what he could do at Rovers (big budget). I'm not saying he would be the new Messiah but a 26% win percentage at Barnsley does not equate to the same thing at a bigger club with better players.

my knwoledge about holloway was somewhere between slim to none, so im glad you posted this. He seems like a good candidate, i especially like the fact, that he took time off to develop his skills, that shows a man who knew he had some weaknesses and showed desire to better himself.