[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[bamaurseth]

OGS has, as others have pointed out already, said that he will stay at Molde this season, but he has also said to the Norwegian media today that Bolton is not interesting to him. If that's the case, I can't really see him being interested in a Rovers job either, unless something we aren't aware of has been sorted out already.

[dwayne cage]

I don't see the point in waiting until mid-November to get a manager on board. That would leave Black in charge for a good few games and let's face it the results of said games could be anything. We could get to mid-November and Black then gets given the managers job despite the Norwigan league finishing.

I think people are right to be a bit anxious about the whole manager situation.

[Lathund]

Think we might see one or two twists and turns yet given the unpredictability of our owners / managers.

I wouldn't rule out OGS just yet !

If it was to be OGS, then I think it'd have to be a deal where he joins after the end of the Norwegian season next month. Don't think he'd want to jump ship at this stage.

Nor do I understand why (if he actually is) he's interested in the job, if he already turned down Villa; a better job in pretty much every aspect I can think off.

[Majiball]

If it was to be OGS, then I think it'd have to be a deal where he joins after the end of the Norwegian season next month. Don't think he'd want to jump ship at this stage.

Nor do I understand why (if he actually is) he's interested in the job, if he already turned down Villa; a better job in pretty much every aspect I can think off.

Except location, who'd want to live near Birmingham?

[Fife Rover]

Just an example as to how backward, IMO, the thinking is now at Ewood Park.

With still no new manager in sight, got a letter this morning offering me a refund on the Wolves match if I bought season ticket(s).

If i had have bought pre season, each JW ticket would have cost me £399, a saving of £232 on the season or put another way, a discount of 37%.

The offer now is £430 (£459 less £29/ Wolves ticket), saving of just £68, or a discount of 14%, against the season's remaining home fixtures and that's assuming I would be able to, or want to, attend every single one.

It really is frightening, p1ss-up / brewery readily comes to mind.

You couldn't make all this up !

Precisely the same happened to me this morning too. And for precisely the same reasons I will NOT be taking up their "offer". If I take out of the reckoning all the mid-week matches this season and consider only being able to attend for Sat afternoon matches, what am I left with? And how much will that work out at per match? (to say nothing of the travel and susistence costs/ time as well).

[philipl]

To guarantee auto promo, you need 92 points.

Lose at Derby and we will then need 76 points from 35 games.

Get nervous when people talk about thirty odd matches to go and a good manager will soon claw back the deficit.

Firstly, don't think our squad is anywhere near as good as some folk think and secondly, it could take a new manager at least half a dozen matches to get his thoughts, philosophy across etc.

Every game that passes without a new manager makes the task even harder.

It might already be too late for us this season.

Afraid that is a very realistic assessment.

Plus a massive problem with our squad's fitness.

I believe Shebby when he says he has been stunned by the calibre of applicants for the Rovers post. This is why I am left deeply perturbed that we are back wondering about Sherwood when he was the one being speculated about even before Kean walked out.

Once again, something (the brothers being in Zurich for instance) is beginning to smell rather badly.

[G Somerset Rover]

Once again, something (the brothers being in Zurich for instance) is beginning to smell rather badly.

Don't think the smell ever went did it?

As I said earlier, the whole thing doesn't add up. Our 'manager search' just adds to the suspicion.

[RevidgeBlue]

Precisely the same happened to me this morning too. And for precisely the same reasons I will NOT be taking up their "offer". If I take out of the reckoning all the mid-week matches this season and consider only being able to attend for Sat afternoon matches, what am I left with? And how much will that work out at per match? (to say nothing of the travel and susistence costs/ time as well).

Its not the Clubs fault if you can't make it to mid week games for heavens sake!

If you're in that position due to geographical considerations then a season ticket obviously isn't the best option for you.

As for the discount what do you and Mercerman expect? The same as fans who committed before the start kc the season

[Hughesy]

Said last week OGS had ruled both clubs out.... He won't go Bolton so they can wait all they want.

Shaw & Shebby have met a fair few potential managers so far, they haven't just been sat around doing nothing ;-)

Spot on Rev about ticket prices

[Mercer]

Its not the Clubs fault if you can't make it to mid week games for heavens sake!

If you're in that position due to geographical considerations then a season ticket obviously isn't the best option for you.

As for the discount what do you and Mercerman expect? The same as fans who committed before the start kc the season

Presumably, you don't 'do deals' for a living !

What they are offering for the JW is just crass stupidity.

Take your point about those fans who already committed but, in part, this should be about 'wiping the slate clean'.

With 5 matches already gone, I would be marketing JW @ £329 and they might just get a nibble. Half a loaf is better than none !

[Salgado Is A Hero]

To guarantee auto promo, you need 92 points.

Lose at Derby and we will then need 76 points from 35 games.

Get nervous when people talk about thirty odd matches to go and a good manager will soon claw back the deficit.

Firstly, don't think our squad is anywhere near as good as some folk think and secondly, it could take a new manager at least half a dozen matches to get his thoughts, philosophy across etc.

Every game that passes without a new manager makes the task even harder.

It might already be too late for us this season.

Right....first of all, over the last 5 seasons, 2nd placed finished on 79, 83, 91, 84 and 88 points....or an average of 85 points......however, the 91 season was with Newcastle and West Brom who were noticeably too good for that league......also, that was just to finish 2nd....to guarantee automatic promotion...76, 81, 80, 81, and 87 points would have been sufficient.....or an average of 81 points.....a good 11 points less than 92 points.

Therefore, a loss to Derby would mean us needing 65 points from 35 games to get to 81.....which would have been enough in 4 of the last 5 seasons to get automatic promotion.

Then you have the playoffs.....not ideal, but better than nothing.......even if we did wait for OGS to finish in Norway, we could still feasibly make the playoffs......I'm pretty sure Reading were right down in the bottom half of the table until November/December time....I also think they were mid-table until about February.

It will take time for fitness levels to improve and the manager to get us playing his way....but I doubt we're gonna lose 5/6 games whilst that happens......we would still be in reach of 2nd place and then we could gradually claw our way back up to the top 2 positions.

Cardiff, Leicester, Wolves etc will all have at least one bad patch of form.....our squad is the best in the league, provided we play players' in the right positions and our best players consistently get a game......the league doesn't end in October.....we're only 1 point outside the playoffs anyway.

[onlyonejackwalker]

^^^^...Salgado what makes you so certain our squad is the best in the league? We concede against most we play, have not dominated anyone and lose badly when forced into using the fringe players (MK Dons).

[Fife Rover]

Its not the Clubs fault if you can't make it to mid week games for heavens sake!

If you're in that position due to geographical considerations then a season ticket obviously isn't the best option for you.

As for the discount what do you and Mercerman expect? The same as fans who committed before the start kc the season

Excuse me.... Just where did I say that I expected or even wanted a discount? I most certainly don't and I am well aware of my geographical location (I should be after 33 years of it) and it has NEVER stopped me attending and holding season tickets. I was simply pointing out that for this years fixture list only, I am not prepared to buy a season ticket, but I WILL be buying tickets individually for Saturday matches only as they are the only ones that I can get down and back in the same day. I have already attended for the Wolves match as soon as Kean was gone.

Is THAT clear enough for you??

[dwayne cage]

^^^^...Salgado what makes you so certain our squad is the best in the league? We concede against most we play, have not dominated anyone and lose badly when forced into using the fringe players (MK Dons).

I think there is about 4 squads in this league better than our Portugese fishermen and nobody wants has beens

[The Dart]

I think there is about 4 squads in this league better than our Portugese fishermen and nobody wants has beens

That's for sure. Our squad has been ripped to shreds. Most of the senior players are gone and we're left with unproven kids or over the hill has beens. It's gonna be a long winter.

[Blue n White Rover]

Seen as I had a panic attack, I think I should make you guys have one too.

Rovers have just met with Steve Kean.

To discuss pay out.

[Mr. E]

As someone still angry that Arab City were allowed to take Hughes from us (in a way this started out downword spiral. We have never been able to recover from this really. We lost key players, then came Ince, Venkys, Kean, relegation.... BFS was stable but that's about it) I am entirely opposed to us stealing Blackpool's manager or Barnsley's manager or any other manager that currently belongs to a club of a similiar level as us. It is not right and doesn't lead to success as much as people think.

[Ste B]

As someone still angry that Arab City were allowed to take Hughes from us (in a way this started out downword spiral. We have never been able to recover from this really. We lost key players, then came Ince, Venkys, Kean, relegation.... BFS was stable but that's about it) I am entirely opposed to us stealing Blackpool's manager or Barnsley's manager or any other manager that currently belongs to a club of a similiar level as us. It is not right and doesn't lead to success as much as people think.

I think the downward spiral started before Hughes left. He couldnt wait to get out of the club, and actually did us a favour paying 17 million for Roque. Lack of investment then, meant he was always having to replace our best players and find another Roque / Bellamy / Bentley. The Paul Ince appointment was completely the wrong one as we know, and it took somebody of Sams organisational nouse to get the best out of what wasnt that great a squad. I'm sure the 7-1 Man U game was Sams way of highlighting this, and ultimately one of the reasons Kean got his horrible little claws into the club.

[dwayne cage]

I agree Ste B.

[RevidgeBlue]

Presumably, you don't 'do deals' for a living !

What they are offering for the JW is just crass stupidity.

Take your point about those fans who already committed but, in part, this should be about 'wiping the slate clean'.

With 5 matches already gone, I would be marketing JW @ £329 and they might just get a nibble. Half a loaf is better than none !

I take your point but at the same time you've got to be very careful not to upset the rump of the season ticket holders who renewed before the start of the season.

To some extent the "offer" is simply being able to purchase a season ticket at all given it is mid October.

I can't remember exactly what I paid but it was more than 329 and I think there has to be some perceived financial value to being an "early bird" whether you've already seen a few games or not. I agree the figure you quoted seems a bit high but it's a tricky balancing act.

I appreciate these were extenuating circumstances this season but it'sYou don't want to create a general expectation that fans can roll up late every season and get in cheaper than those who committed initially.

[BigJackWalker]

I think the downward spiral started before Hughes left. He couldnt wait to get out of the club, and actually did us a favour paying 17 million for Roque. Lack of investment then, meant he was always having to replace our best players and find another Roque / Bellamy / Bentley. The Paul Ince appointment was completely the wrong one as we know, and it took somebody of Sams organisational nouse to get the best out of what wasnt that great a squad. I'm sure the 7-1 Man U game was Sams way of highlighting this, and ultimately one of the reasons Kean got his horrible little claws into the club.

+1

[Salgado Is A Hero]

^^^^...Salgado what makes you so certain our squad is the best in the league? We concede against most we play, have not dominated anyone and lose badly when forced into using the fringe players (MK Dons).

But we had the worst manager I've ever seen in charge.......MK Dons (1 game) can't be used against us.....it's similar in my eyes to people saying to me, "how could Kean be that bad of a manager if you won at Old Trafford?"

Under a half-decent manager imo we would have the best in the league.....we play and look terrible because of the lack of organisation.....and having players like Pedersen, Dann and Murphy in the team in the wrong system for them.....there's no pace out wide, no service up front, no options to pass to in the middle and no organisation at the back.....it doesn't really matter what players you have in the first 11 if all these problems are occurring at once....as well as the lack of fitness.

We might not be able to test my theory if someone like Black, Shearer or Keane is appointed....but let's see what happens.

[RevidgeBlue]

Excuse me.... Just where did I say that I expected or even wanted a discount? I most certainly don't and I am well aware of my geographical location (I should be after 33 years of it) and it has NEVER stopped me attending and holding season tickets. I was simply pointing out that for this years fixture list only, I am not prepared to buy a season ticket, but I WILL be buying tickets individually for Saturday matches only as they are the only ones that I can get down and back in the same day. I have already attended for the Wolves match as soon as Kean was gone.

Is THAT clear enough for you??

What you have written above is completely different to what you wrote in your original post when you clearly inferred you objected to the price of "the offer".

Incidentally I make my comments on the general assumption that a decent manager will be appointed. I don't know why anyone would pay a hundred quid with Black in charge but that's a separate debate.

[booth]

^^^^...Salgado what makes you so certain our squad is the best in the league? We concede against most we play, have not dominated anyone and lose badly when forced into using the fringe players (MK Dons).

We haven't had a manager in all the games we've played this season.

Wolves have an injury hit squad. They've even had to get an emergency loan. They are third.

Not sure if we're the best in the league but managers at quite a few above us will be envious of some of the players we have. If we played the right system Rhodes would be scoring more for a start.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

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