[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[Mercer]

I take your point but at the same time you've got to be very careful not to upset the rump of the season ticket holders who renewed before the start of the season.

To some extent the "offer" is simply being able to purchase a season ticket at all given it is mid October.

I can't remember exactly what I paid but it was more than 329 and I think there has to be some perceived financial value to being an "early bird" whether you've already seen a few games or not. I agree the figure you quoted seems a bit high but it's a tricky balancing act.

I appreciate these were extenuating circumstances this season but it'sYou don't want to create a general expectation that fans can roll up late every season and get in cheaper than those who committed initially.

Price pre August £399 (average per match of £17.35 over 23) - presumably what you paid.

Price post August £459.

Price now with Wolves refund and five matches gone £430.

Would be surprised if they sold more than a dozen or so at £430.

I would pitch them at £339 which is an average per match of £18.83 over last 18 games.

How anyone could be upset with that is beyond me.

[Clitherover]

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8166474/-It-s-Not-For-Me-Says-Solskjaer-On-Bolton-Job

I bet Bolton move fast to get Mick McCarthy in now knowing they won't get Solskjaer.

[Sverre]

Do you guys think that Bolton and Burnley will appoint a new manager before Blackburn does?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Do you guys think that Bolton and Burnley will appoint a new manager before Blackburn does?

Are you serious ? We'll be lucky to get somebodiy in before Xmas at this rate ! I mean Xmas this year.

[my_name_is_Earl]

Do you guys think that Bolton and Burnley will appoint a new manager before Blackburn does?

Absolutely, Shebby should leave appointing a manager to somebody who has previous experience in Derek Shaw as he's the only one out of the whole damn bunch who ever has! Derek Shaw should have a huge influence in any new manager, sick of our club being run by Charlatans. Leave it to the football people.

[Sverre]

Surely, you can't be serious ? We'll be lucky to get somebodiy in before Xmas at this rate ! I mean Xmas this year.

I am serious, and don't call me shirley!

Looking at the numbers, the former regime did spend a fair share of days before finding suitable managers(exceptions of course). I don't think Bolton will rush a decision either... Unless a good candidate comes up(like Mick)

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Price pre August £399 (average per match of £17.35 over 23) - presumably what you paid.

Price post August £459.

Price now with Wolves refund and five matches gone £430.

Would be surprised if they sold more than a dozen or so at £430.

I would pitch them at £339 which is an average per match of £18.83 over last 18 games.

How anyone could be upset with that is beyond me.

Though still annoyed with you - as it looks like your OGS tip isn't going to come off - I have to agree with you. If they had priced this season ticket offer competitively I am sure many more fans would have renewed - though they really need to appoint a half decent manager to really get the fans back. As long as the early adopters still had the benefit of the cheaper early bird price - they should be ok - but bottom line we need Ewood as full as possible and I am sure the vast majority of existing season ticket holders would just be happy to see the numbers back to what they should be.

Personally - I will continue to pay on the day - and probably pick and choose matches. If this latest ST offer had been more attractively priced - I would have been very tempted to renew now that Kean has gone.

[Waggy76]

I think the downward spiral started before Hughes left. He couldnt wait to get out of the club, and actually did us a favour paying 17 million for Roque. Lack of investment then, meant he was always having to replace our best players and find another Roque / Bellamy / Bentley. The Paul Ince appointment was completely the wrong one as we know, and it took somebody of Sams organisational nouse to get the best out of what wasnt that great a squad. I'm sure the 7-1 Man U game was Sams way of highlighting this, and ultimately one of the reasons Kean got his horrible little claws into the club.

Yes , I agree , I think Hughes wanted to sign a midfielder in Jan(Diarra ?) and was knocked back by the board , he seemed to lose a bit of interest after that ...

[Hasta]

But we had the worst manager I've ever seen in charge.......MK Dons (1 game) can't be used against us.....it's similar in my eyes to people saying to me, "how could Kean be that bad of a manager if you won at Old Trafford?"

Under a half-decent manager imo we would have the best in the league.....we play and look terrible because of the lack of organisation.....and having players like Pedersen, Dann and Murphy in the team in the wrong system for them.....there's no pace out wide, no service up front, no options to pass to in the middle and no organisation at the back.....it doesn't really matter what players you have in the first 11 if all these problems are occurring at once....as well as the lack of fitness.

We might not be able to test my theory if someone like Black, Shearer or Keane is appointed....but let's see what happens.

Not true. I've said since pre-kick off that our squad isn't anywhere near as strong as people make out. It would take a very good manager to get this current squad out of this league. Keeping in realistic contention until the window re-opens should be priority number 1. I fear that when (if) a new manager comes in people may expect us to walk over teams and it isn't going to happen.

Ultimately it's Kean's fault for decimating the squad and leaving us with what we have now. However it's worrying to see fans still thinking that Lowe, Dann, Orr, Hanley, The Portuguese, Formica, Murphy, MGP etc.. are better than what's in this league. Some people seem to think that in order to support their team they have to build up players to be better than they actually are.

[chaddyrovers]

I think the downward spiral started before Hughes left. He couldnt wait to get out of the club, and actually did us a favour paying 17 million for Roque. Lack of investment then, meant he was always having to replace our best players and find another Roque / Bellamy / Bentley. The Paul Ince appointment was completely the wrong one as we know, and it took somebody of Sams organisational nouse to get the best out of what wasnt that great a squad. I'm sure the 7-1 Man U game was Sams way of highlighting this, and ultimately one of the reasons Kean got his horrible little claws into the club.

Very true on all points.

Rovers decline started just before Hughes left and Hughes know the Squad need 5 or 6 new players and this would have cost. Walker family wasnt interest in doing then.

Ince was a major mistake and JW and TF know this.

Sam Allardyce save us from going down and get us top 10 but he want the summer before he was sack to fresher the squad with a few signings but not again Walker family said no to spending cash.

Kean disaster. End of story.

Yes , I agree , I think Hughes wanted to sign a midfielder in Jan(Diarra ?) and was knocked back by the board , he seemed to lose a bit of interest after that ...

Wasnt it Michael Bradley. an attacking midfielder who was scoring goals in Holland.

I was hoping that Rovers would have an appoint a new manager now. At the Minute, we dont seem to approach anybody in a job, cos it would have leak by now. Make me wonder whether we are looking for a manager out of work.

[John]

People saying I am glad we are taking our time etc - what exactly are we doing? It has been over 2 weeks since slime ball left.

As usual, this is turning into a farce and once again shows we have owners not fit to be in charge.

[Amo]

The Walker "Trust" are the root cause of our current plight.

Was it not them who hired 'You know who' to find us a new owner in the first place?

[Dunnfc]

If no Redknapp, schuster or solksjaer then we must look at markus babbel. Ex loan player. Ex defender who could help our backline. Just left hoffenheim and already had a promotion with berlin on his cv.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Hasta - Not true in your opinion that should be.

I think a real manager would be fairly embarrassed in a way if they didn't manage promotion with our squad, with the money we have spent and the wage bill compared to other teams. Personally I don't expect us to walk over anyone....just that we should get enough points to get automatically promoted.

Hanley is fine next to Givet....out of our Portuguese contingent, Nuno Gomes is still good and Nunes has impressed since pre-season....Edinho was thrown in at the deep end and we don't know how the others will do.....remember reading that people have spoken to Portuguese journalists who have said good things about Rosado and Henrique.....Orr, Dann and Lowe should be near-enough acceptable with some decent coaching and organisation.

Murphy and Formica suffer from having nobody to pass to....Pedersen is Pedersen, even with the drop-down in division he just is no longer a decent footballer.

So that leaves Robinson, even with his weaknesses is surely up there with the best in the division....has made a fair few top class saves......Adam Henley is a very promising youngster.....Givet and Woodgate are the best CB's in the league......Martin Olsson on the wing is definitely up there with the best players in the division......Best? We will see....can lead the line and should get the best out of Rhodes......who himself has to be one of the top strikers in the division.

Etuhu has been what we were crying out for.....Dunn? Hmmm.....could possibly do a job off a striker at the end of games....unlocking defences and taking players on.....he was very good away at Swansea last year and at other games in patches......Bruno? Not a bad player in this division at RB.....Marcus Olsson, although lacking in ability and decision making has something no defender likes facing which is pace.

Which leaves Kazim, Rochina and Vukcevic...players with the ability to be potential match-winners.....which is why a manager should get us promoted.....it's a football match which is often relatively even until goals are scored through defensive errors or moments of quality.

So if we cut out the defensive errors, I feel we have enough quality in the likes of Rhodes, Gomes, Rochina etc to provide enough moments of said quality to score enough goals.....even if we aren't dominating games.......even Pedersen has provided that this season.....his first touch left that Leicester defender for dead.

[Hasta]

In my opinion that is the most ridiculously rose-tinted view of our squad possible.

[G Somerset Rover]

People saying I am glad we are taking our time etc - what exactly are we doing? It has been over 2 weeks since slime ball left.

As usual, this is turning into a farce and once again shows we have owners not fit to be in charge.

Some have their heads in the clouds John and will be content no matter what the owners do.

As you rightly say, even if somehow they made a decent appointment, we're still stuck with them. They're the cause. Them and their 'advisors'.

[Fife Rover]

What you have written above is completely different to what you wrote in your original post when you clearly inferred you objected to the price of "the offer".

Incidentally I make my comments on the general assumption that a decent manager will be appointed. I don't know why anyone would pay a hundred quid with Black in charge but that's a separate debate.

I am afraid that you have completely misunderstood the thrust of my original post. It quite simply never even occured to me that anyone would read it as you have done, and that was most certainly NOT my meaning at all. Perhaps i could have worded it differently, but because your interpretation had never been in my mind it did not occur to me to do so.

So just to clarify: When Kean resigned I was able to stop my boycott and wasted no time in getting straight on to the ticket office for a ticket to the Wolves match. I was told that my favourite seat was still available, so I bought a ticket for ONE match only on that seat.I refused the offer of a S/T and explained to the lady in the T.O. that I was not interested in a S/T because of the sheer number of non-Sat matches, and that a S/T was therefore of no interest to me (the price was irrelevant) and we left it at that. So I was surprised to get the letter this morning, and just assumed it was a mistake. Hope that clears the matter up for you.

Fife.

[booth]

Players like Hanley have had no leader to help develop them at the club. In my view that's why Hoilett's all round game wasn't ever developed and still isn't at QPR.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

Well I just appreciate fully the role a manger has with the team......we were terrible under Kean right after he took over.....despite losing nobody and adding Jermaine Jones and Santa Cruz.

I'm also pretty sure that the Championship is a pretty poor standard of a league.....hence why we were near the top when Steve Kean was our manager......if Kean could have got us promoted.....which wasn't too unrealistic....I'm sure a decent manager could also.

[chaddyrovers]

If no Redknapp, schuster or solksjaer then we must look at markus babbel. Ex loan player. Ex defender who could help our backline. Just left hoffenheim and already had a promotion with berlin on his cv.

Markus Babbel is a decent shout. wasnt b my choice but can see why u suggest him.

why did he leave Hoffenheim? was he sack ot resign

[broadsword]

Not read every post on here as I haven't logged on for a while.

Taking your time is all well and good provided that you make use of that time ... formulate a strategy, identify the profile of the man you want, compile a shortlist together, sound people out etc.

Do I think this is what is occurring behind closed doors? Do I keans. At the top we have four people who to my mind have next to no knowledge of British football. Then beneath them you have poorly-defined roles ("can you describe what an Operations Director does?" "He directs operations.") staffed by people who barely seem capable, with an intermediary between the two who seems to have frustrated aspirations to be manager (hence the get-up with initialled training top, muddy boots etc?)

I believe this set-up to be a complete mess which more or less guarantees that every decision will be an absolute keaning arse up from keaning start to finish. If the Desai/Rao committee is pulling in different directions, how can the club have a coherent strategy? Why do we have a "global adviser"? Why is he selecting transfer targets? Who selected the target of Rhodes? Was he bought by Balaji acting on his own? You can't have that, the manager alone should be selecting targets., not meddling owners and Walter Mitty interlopers.

Some people are championing Singh because he got rid of Keabn, however I'm far from convinced this is actually the case. I reckon Kean finally snapped with all the background kean going on and got the Kean out of Dodge. Everyone has a breaking point. I'm sure our management structure must be the laughing stock of football, the PT barnum's of the football business world, with Singh as lead clown.

My guess is that we will see Singh and Black being appointed joint managers, no-one in a job will want to come here, and anyone out of a job who is on their shortlist will probably think 3 times before waiting for something that won't send them stark raving mad.

This club will never make any progress until Venky's leave. They are meddling fools, who as I said a long time ago now, ahev taken on the club as a PR/vanity project - which are completely the wrong reasons. They haven't got a clue what they are doing and the more they try to fix things, the worse they make them. Rovers are paying the price for hounding so many capable, experienced, ethical people out of the club.

[Roverall]

The optimism generated by Kean's exit is ebbing away by the day. I suppose that we all shouldn't really be surprised, though.

These people are so out of their league it hurts. I just wonder when they will get bored of their toy and give it to someone who (possibly) knows what they are doing.

[Dunnfc]

Sorry chaddy stepped down as dof to be just coach after being under a bit of pressure. Think he'd leave.hoffenheim though. Him of Neil lennon for me. Got to show ambition.

[Mercer]

The optimism generated by Kean's exit is ebbing away by the day. I suppose that we all shouldn't really be surprised, though.

These people are so out of there league it hurts. I just wonder when they will get bored of their toy and give it to someone who (possibly) knows what they are doing.

Two excellent points.

They had a chance and have blown it.

I honestly think OGS was there for the taking - he was supposed to have made his interest known.

The slate was momentarily clean, however, IMO, too much p1ssing about since and the clever, and capable, candidates might now just have read the script.

[Blue Cabbage]

Not read every post on here as I haven't logged on for a while.

Taking your time is all well and good provided that you make use of that time ... formulate a strategy, identify the profile of the man you want, compile a shortlist together, sound people out etc.

Do I think this is what is occurring behind closed doors? Do I keans. At the top we have four people who to my mind have next to no knowledge of British football. Then beneath them you have poorly-defined roles ("can you describe what an Operations Director does?" "He directs operations.") staffed by people who barely seem capable, with an intermediary between the two who seems to have frustrated aspirations to be manager (hence the get-up with initialled training top, muddy boots etc?)

I believe this set-up to be a complete mess which more or less guarantees that every decision will be an absolute keaning arse up from keaning start to finish. If the Desai/Rao committee is pulling in different directions, how can the club have a coherent strategy? Why do we have a "global adviser"? Why is he selecting transfer targets? Who selected the target of Rhodes? Was he bought by Balaji acting on his own? You can't have that, the manager alone should be selecting targets., not meddling owners and Walter Mitty interlopers.

Some people are championing Singh because he got rid of Keabn, however I'm far from convinced this is actually the case. I reckon Kean finally snapped with all the background kean going on and got the Kean out of Dodge. Everyone has a breaking point. I'm sure our management structure must be the laughing stock of football, the PT barnum's of the football business world, with Singh as lead clown.

My guess is that we will see Singh and Black being appointed joint managers, no-one in a job will want to come here, and anyone out of a job who is on their shortlist will probably think 3 times before waiting for something that won't send them stark raving mad.

This club will never make any progress until Venky's leave. They are meddling fools, who as I said a long time ago now, ahev taken on the club as a PR/vanity project - which are completely the wrong reasons. They haven't got a clue what they are doing and the more they try to fix things, the worse they make them. Rovers are paying the price for hounding so many capable, experienced, ethical people out of the club.

Echoed completely, a whole structural change is needed, top to bottom, everything that has been done over the last 2 years has been amateur at best