[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[Mercer]

It's all got so farcical now.

Had to laugh at this in one of Cryer's articles today:

As yet, Rovers have yet to make any formal move for the Bristolian and, with other names on their short list, discussions were continuing last night about what their next move should be.

It's only been 20 days since Kean left and if they don't know now, just what the feck have they been doing........................

Feckin hell, even had a sweepstake yesterday on new manager !

[booth]

It is getting daft now, 20 days.

It's the apparent lack of urgency that's the problem. They publicly set a target of promotion at the beginning of the season but these don't seem to be the actions of people who seriously want to get the club promoted. Unless they have a bigger plan going on but I can't see it.

[G Somerset Rover]

What was it Shebby said pre-season...6 defeats would be the maximum we could afford?

Well we're on two and I'll wager it will be four come full-time next Saturday if Black is still in charge.

But hey, why rush these things?

[Black Burn]

To be honest, I think they were actually intending to get a manager in before Saturday, but Shebby Singh got over-confident that he would be able to persuade Tim Sherwood to take over and it turned out that both Levy got in the way and Sherwood wasn't going to force a move through so his plans fell apart. That's why it took 20 days and Eric Black ended up still at the reins in the game against Derby. It wasn't that they were dithering or being indecisive, but more of them getting over-confident and running into a wall they didn't expect to be there. If anything, it shows more that Venkys are still being naive and have no idea how to deal with people like Levy than delibrately antagonizing the fans or wanting a cheap option (like Eric Black)/puppet manager.

I reiterate that this is what I THINK, and not facts or information, so please don't ask me for my source of information.

[greco]

It is getting daft now, 20 days.

It's the apparent lack of urgency that's the problem. They publicly set a target of promotion at the beginning of the season but these don't seem to be the actions of people who seriously want to get the club promoted. Unless they have a bigger plan going on but I can't see it.

completely agree.

A healthy organisation would have had a contingency plan ot atleast be much better prepared. I havent been following every rumour or read every article, but have we even had anyone in for an interview.?

The lack of securtty, when it comes to the future, not only for the players, but for Black and the entire backroom staff, isnt really helping our situation either. Under such circumstances, it seems far fetched aiming for promotion.

[dwayne cage]

He's the only one (of the current candidates), I'd put money on to get us back up though, regardless of PL record. Getting promoted is the priority!!

I agree, at the end of the day too many people are concerned about staying in the top flight. We are not in the top flight so why worry about staying there?

So far there is no evidence that Sherwood can take us up, and Holloway only managed to get Blackpool up through the playoffs to see them come straight back down.

Personally I think people have far to big expectations for our next manager. They should have but one and my friends is promotion at any cost.

[booth]

So far there is no evidence that Sherwood can take us up, and Holloway only managed to get Blackpool up through the playoffs to see them come straight back down.

Only? You did see his squad right?

Almost did it last season too with a completely rebuilt team and again buttons to do it on.

[RoverScot]

Shebby is after 'his' man rather than necessarily a 'yes' man - someone who will reaffirm his position at the club rather than necessarily to play Football manager.

Appointing Holloway would strengthen Derek Shaw's role at the club at the expense of Shebby and so Shebby is after someone he has personally chosen. Most fans seem to agree with Derek Shaw over Shebby on this though.

[Bundesburn]

Only? You did see his squad right?

Almost did it last season too with a completely rebuilt team and again buttons to do it on.

Whilst you can't deny he can do it with buttons to spend (and I would be delighted to see him here), the only problem I have is the Leicester situation. I can't claim to be well-versed on it, but it worries me that, whilst he can take a set of "lesser" players and make them over-perform, at a so-called "bigger club" (by which I mean stadium, backing, infrastructure, etc) it might not work. We have under-performers and some real egos in that dressing room. I would Kevin Keegan-Love It if he could get us playing the type of attacking football he did at Blackpool and achieve promotion, but I wonder if Ewood and Brockhall are his types of environments.

[broadsword]

Feckin hell, even had a sweepstake yesterday on new manager !

It's like watching a dung beetle stuck in treacle

[my_name_is_Earl]

That's a bit rich, considering he already said it was all guesswork, and your source of information is supposedly an insider working in a club claiming about Shebby Singh being power-hungry and wanting to install a puppet as a manager. I'm not accusing you of lying and I appreciate your information, but I think it is a little arrogant to shoot down other people while parading your own information around.

I'm not shooting down his information, as he doesn't have any. Just wondering how can he shoot down my information with an opinion when all the evidence would reinforce the information I do have. If it didn't I would say fair enough, you have come back at me with an articulated opinion.

So, i'm supposed to say 'yes, your opinion makes sense even though i'm hearing reliable info against it and all the evidence points to that being correct'? Why don't we all just believe everybody's opinions, eh?

And yes, I am parading this information around because I believe it's important. I'm desperately hoping we don't get a repeat of the last fiasco. Why wouldn't I?

Deary me.....

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Short and sweet...the current situation is frightening the fookin life out of me,we have people supposedly in charge at Ewood who need to be making massive and decisive decisions regarding the future of this club but quite frankly appear not to know their Arse from their Elbow.

Rudderless ship.

[Mercer]

Whilst you can't deny he can do it with buttons to spend (and I would be delighted to see him here), the only problem I have is the Leicester situation. I can't claim to be well-versed on it, but it worries me that, whilst he can take a set of "lesser" players and make them over-perform, at a so-called "bigger club" (by which I mean stadium, backing, infrastructure, etc) it might not work. We have under-performers and some real egos in that dressing room. I would Kevin Keegan-Love It if he could get us playing the type of attacking football he did at Blackpool and achieve promotion, but I wonder if Ewood and Brockhall are his types of environments.

Are you joking - he must be creaming himself at the possibilities given what he has had to make do with at Blackpool !!!

[booth]

Whilst you can't deny he can do it with buttons to spend (and I would be delighted to see him here), the only problem I have is the Leicester situation. I can't claim to be well-versed on it, but it worries me that, whilst he can take a set of "lesser" players and make them over-perform, at a so-called "bigger club" (by which I mean stadium, backing, infrastructure, etc) it might not work. We have under-performers and some real egos in that dressing room. I would Kevin Keegan-Love It if he could get us playing the type of attacking football he did at Blackpool and achieve promotion, but I wonder if Ewood and Brockhall are his types of environments.

To be honest I think we have lesser players to begin with. Okay a better squad than Blackpool but not world beaters. I certainly think the likes of Rhodes and Rochina would do well with him at the helm. He could even give the likes of Pedersen and Dunn and new lease of life.

[steverovers]

To be honest I think we have lesser players to begin with. Okay a better squad than Blackpool but not world beaters. I certainly think the likes of Rhodes and Rochina would do well with him at the helm. He could even give the likes of Pedersen and Dunn and new lease of life.

The only way Dunn will get a new lease of life is if he stays off the pies!

[Bundesburn]

Are you joking - he must be creaming himself at the possibilities given what he has had to make do with at Blackpool !!!

That's absolutely one way of looking at it and I certainly hope that's not only how he is looking at it, but that he'll be able to achieve proportionally more, given what's at his disposal.

Nonetheless, I think it's only fair to assert that this is a much different job from the Blackpool.

Football, as we all know, can be affected by many different factors and the influence of very subjective conditions can both inspire and inhibit potential. There's no recipe for success and, perhaps, good manager at Blackpool + better infrastructure at Blackburn doesn't necessarily equal the outcome we all want.

As a footnote, I would love for all of what I said to be utter tripe and for him to thrive at Ewood and indeed, would expect him to. I was just airing a little concern of my own about one facet of his profile.

To be honest I think we have lesser players to begin with. Okay a better squad than Blackpool but not world beaters. I certainly think the likes of Rhodes and Rochina would do well with him at the helm. He could even give the likes of Pedersen and Dunn and new lease of life.

I think we do have a relatively strong squad with some genuine match-winners, at the least in our division (I do believe Jordan Rhodes has the potential to go a long way).

I also 100% agree he can bring an enthusiasm that will inspire a portion of the squad, but, then you have Danny Murphy who seems to be counting the days 'til retirement, from what he's shown?

It's a difficult job, both to decide on who will be and, indeed, to be the manager.

[booth]

It's a difficult job, both to decide on who will be and, indeed, to be the manager.

Every managerial appointment is a gamble, but the idea is to limit the problems, not add them by employing someone who has never managed a club before.

[Bundesburn]

Every managerial appointment is a gamble, but the idea is to limit the problems, not add them by employing someone who has never managed a club before.

I don't believe I suggested hiring someone like that?

[Black Burn]

I'm not shooting down his information, as he doesn't have any. Just wondering how can he shoot down my information with an opinion when all the evidence would reinforce the information I do have. If it didn't I would say fair enough, you have come back at me with an articulated opinion.

So, i'm supposed to say 'yes, your opinion makes sense even though i'm hearing reliable info against it and all the evidence points to that being correct'? Why don't we all just believe everybody's opinions, eh?

And yes, I am parading this information around because I believe it's important. I'm desperately hoping we don't get a repeat of the last fiasco. Why wouldn't I?

Deary me.....

What are you talking about? He was only quoting Cryer and Nixon and guessing what's going on based on those quotes. He made no mention whatsoever of your information or anything, or at least none that I saw. You were the one who jumped straight at him demanding for his source (despite him quoting Nixon and Andy Cryer). Or did you quote the wrong guy entirely and was actually referring to another person altogether?

Here's what he said:

Levy wants us to commit to paying a huge amount of compensation if Sherwood is appointed. And as of yet the owners aren't prepared to pay that sum.

Shebby seems to have one choice and one choice only Sherwood. I can't think of anyone less likely to be a yes man or a puppet so that seems to blow the "Shebby wants a yes man" theory out of the water at the first hurdle.

Re: Holloway, Cryer and Nixon have both reported we are mulling over making an official approach for Holloway and some people think he would be interested if allowed to speak to us, so again, that is not consistent with claims that Singh has scuppered the chances of Holloway coming here.

If I was guessing, and it's only a guess as I don't pretend to have any inside info, If it was Singh's choice (and his money) he'd still agree to stump up the compo for Sherwood.

The owners probably aren't so sure which is why they're contemplating an approach for Holloway.

Quite why that has taken 20 days is anybody's guess. We should have been at this stage at least 2 weeks ago.

[G Somerset Rover]

Regarding Shebby "picking the team" - I'm not so sure. His supposed summer signings, Sandomierski, Rosado and Henrique have made a grand total of 0 minutes between them. Surely if he was then these guys would be shoe-ins each week?

[sjsbrfc]

Wake me up when something happens!

[Kelbo]

Sometimes, a little knowledge can be very dangerous, I dont think, with all due respect to anyone, any manager coming to Blackburn being a puppet for anyone, indeed, and I know this for a fact, anyone agreeing to join Rovers as manager, will insist they have full control over football matters without interference especially after Kean (many managers stood up for Kean as they knew he wasnt allowed to manage the club without lots of outside interference)

Much as I detested Kean and believed he wasnt up to the task, a manager should have total control of footballing matters, the Board/Owners give him a budget and any wheeling and dealing on top of that, he chooses the targets and the club do the negotiating. Thats how it should be and even Shearer said when asked if woas interested in managing Rovers said 'Yes, but things would have to change'

[chaddyrovers]

To be honest, I think they were actually intending to get a manager in before Saturday, but Shebby Singh got over-confident that he would be able to persuade Tim Sherwood to take over and it turned out that both Levy got in the way and Sherwood wasn't going to force a move through so his plans fell apart. That's why it took 20 days and Eric Black ended up still at the reins in the game against Derby. It wasn't that they were dithering or being indecisive, but more of them getting over-confident and running into a wall they didn't expect to be there. If anything, it shows more that Venkys are still being naive and have no idea how to deal with people like Levy than delibrately antagonizing the fans or wanting a cheap option (like Eric Black)/puppet manager.

I reiterate that this is what I THINK, and not facts or information, so please don't ask me for my source of information.

agree with this post totally.

We wont get Sherwood cos of Levy unwillingness to let him leave.

Shaw and Shebby split on Holloway.

so it looks like we are on plan c, so I guess its either Karl Robinson or Simon Grayson. just a guess that these are names for plan C

[Mercer]

Been out for a few bevvies earlier tonight and a pal of mine was adamant that Rovers would appoint by Thursday.

This went on for a couple of hours and none of us could decide whether he had finally flipped or he had started taking an illegal substance. However, he is a serious, professional person, so we decided to give him the benefit of the doubt especially when he offered a freebie dinner and drinks if it doesn't happen!

He hasn't been told who it will be, only that it will be no surprise.

Coming from this guy, I'd give it an 8ish out of 10 of happening.

Restaurant now booked even though we've taken pity on our pal and extended his deadline until 7.00 pm tomorrow !

Strange one this as he still doesn't think he will lose !

[bob fleming]

Strange one this as he still doesn't think he will lose !

Get him to the doctors sharpish, sounds like he's coming down with Keanitus !