[Archived] Next Manager Part 2

[Waggy76]

Black needs to win a game ...That is all we are waiting for .

It looks like , we never had any intention of sacking Kean , so we are scratching around trying to get someone on the cheap ..

Plenty of unemployed managers out there , we are one of 5 clubs who have won the premiership for gods sake ! ,

But nobody really wants the job , why ?

poor squad , crazy owners etc etc

[Kelbo]

  On 18/10/2012 at 18:40, my_name_is_Earl said:

As a matter of fact, there are several people who are keeping me in the loop including at the club and an agent who works on behalf of both Rovers and Blackpool players. There is nobody on Twitter keeping me in the loop, I simply pointed to the fact that somebody had reinforced my point on Twitter.

Holloway is being sabotaged by Singh and there is no 'mulling it over' as far as he is concerned. This is a FACT. Sure, Derek Shaw wants Holloway as do others at the club but it is a no go. Shebby will simply not allow it.

In Sherwoods case, there is no compo that cannot be negotiated hence the approach as Shebby assumed Sherwood would take it, Shebby knows the fee. However, Sherwood wants to talk to the owners for assurances before he gives the nod which Shebby has so far denied him. I believe that is still ongoing between the pair, it's a game of bluffs. This reinforces the suggestion that Shebby is after maintaining authority and having control over the next man i.e. he wants to be in control.

If we don't get Sherwood, we won't get Holloway, we'll probably end up with Robinson who both Shebby and Shaw can agree is a decent back-up appointment. Whether people see that as a decent appointment is their own opinion but for me it screams 'puppet!'.

I'm not saying you have to believe any of this and heck, if you haven't been told this information, why would you? Aside from the fact that the club is being run in a circus-like fashion, of course.

Some of the points are correct, others arent, yes, there is a power struggle but I would ask myself who else other than Shebby and Shaw are involved in such

[my_name_is_Earl]

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:29, Kelbo said:

Some of the points are correct, others arent, yes, there is a power struggle but I would ask myself who else other than Shebby and Shaw are involved in such

Fascinating stuff, Kelbo. I know the owners have been seen with candidates if that's what you're referring to?

[Rover down South]

I've forked out good money for tickets to Sheffield Wed, Watford and Palace, if we still have Eric Black in charge for those games I won't be impressed. He seems just as clueless as Kean.

We needed to make this appointment before now, three games in eight days and the MINIMUM we should achieve there are seven points. We must be beating Sheff Wed & Watford at home and a point at Derby will be acceptable I suppose.

Cannot believe Shebby is dragging this out. Should of been sorted PRIORITY before these upcoming games.

[Waggy76]

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:37, Rover down South said:

I've forked out good money for tickets to Sheffield Wed, Watford and Palace, if we still have Eric Black in charge for those games I won't be impressed. He seems just as clueless as Kean.

We needed to make this appointment before now, three games in eight days and the MINIMUM we should achieve there are seven points. We must be beating Sheff Wed & Watford at home and a point at Derby will be acceptable I suppose.

Cannot believe Shebby is dragging this out. Should of been sorted PRIORITY before these upcoming games.

Quite right , but new players have to be brought in cos most of the ones in situ , just are not good enough .

[chaddyrovers]

  On 18/10/2012 at 18:40, my_name_is_Earl said:

If we don't get Sherwood, we won't get Holloway, we'll probably end up with Robinson who both Shebby and Shaw can agree is a decent back-up appointment. Whether people see that as a decent appointment is their own opinion but for me it screams 'puppet!'.

This is why I reckon we will end up with Robinson as manager.

I think it is a good appointment. I dont think he will be a 'puppet'

But I do expect Shebby Singh to become Director of Football with the new manager working under him and new CEO.

Shebby and Robinson have to work together as a team and not fighting against each other.

I think the new structure at rovers will be a new CEO with Shaw staying as MD but certain other people to be leaving.

Plus Ray Clarke(Chief Scout) becoming Director of Scouting, to oversee a proper Scouting network. Hopeful one like Newcastle United have.

[bluefred]

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:29, Kelbo said:

Some of the points are correct, others arent, yes, there is a power struggle but I would ask myself who else other than Shebby and Shaw are involved in such

agnew by any chance?

[Kelbo]

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:37, my_name_is_Earl said:

Fascinating stuff, Kelbo. I know the owners have been seen with candidates if that's what you're referring to?

The question is, who are the owners backing, Shebby or Shaw?

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:47, bluefred said:

agnew by any chance?

No, not Agnew!

[John]

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:46, chaddyrovers said:

This is why I reckon we will end up with Robinson as manager.

I think it is a good appointment. I dont think he will be a 'puppet'

But I do expect Shebby Singh to become Director of Football with the new manager working under him and new CEO.

Shebby and Robinson have to work together as a team and not fighting against each other.

I think the new structure at rovers will be a new CEO with Shaw staying as MD but certain other people to be leaving.

Plus Ray Clarke(Chief Scout) becoming Director of Scouting, to oversee a proper Scouting network. Hopeful one like Newcastle United have.

I've got cash on Robinson to get it but surely not - doesn't Paul Ince have a better managerial record than him?

[booth]

If Shebby is blocking some choices (McCarthy and Holloway) are the owners aware of this? Would be interested to know who their realistic choice is, Maradona aside.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Robinson?..another rookie...just what the Venky's ordered!

[chaddyrovers]

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:49, John said:

I've got cash on Robinson to get it but surely not - doesn't Paul Ince have a better managerial record than him?

Paul Ince managerial record.

http://en.wikipedia....nagerial_career

Karl Robinson Managerial record

http://en.wikipedia....i/Karl_Robinson

Ince has ONLY manage a club for 56 games at most. he had 4 club so far in his managerial career.

KR has been at mk dons for 126 games so far.

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:51, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Robinson?..another rookie...just what the Venky's ordered!

He has been a manager for 3 years. hardly a rookie like Kean or Kidd

[ABBEY]

the dippers are stalling until its hard to catch up and avoid paying out anymore prem wages and just get the chutes. VENKYS GET THE CLUCK FROM ROVERS

[my_name_is_Earl]

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:46, chaddyrovers said:

This is why I reckon we will end up with Robinson as manager.

I think it is a good appointment. I dont think he will be a 'puppet'

But I do expect Shebby Singh to become Director of Football with the new manager working under him and new CEO.

Shebby and Robinson have to work together as a team and not fighting against each other.

I think the new structure at rovers will be a new CEO with Shaw staying as MD but certain other people to be leaving.

Plus Ray Clarke(Chief Scout) becoming Director of Scouting, to oversee a proper Scouting network. Hopeful one like Newcastle United have.

It sounds as though you know what you're talking about. However, I would argue that Robinson is a bad appointment for several reasons. Firstly, he's from MK Dons, nothing to do with Paul Ince but he has never managed in the top two divisions. We need experience, a manager who knows how to get promoted and one that knows how to run a team under pressure. MK Dons have no such pressure.

Secondly, regardless of what we're told, do you honestly believe that Robinson will stand up for himself and ask Shebby what on earth he's doing buying all these random Portuguese players?

And lastly, will the fans be happy with such a low-key appointment? The fan base is on it's knees, the club needs an exciting appointment, one which the fans can rally behind and really support. Karl Robinson will be seen as another cheap option, one that will just be grateful he has a job at this level. I believe the idea of 'getting rid of Kean' (or at least pushing him out) was made purely from a financial point of view, this appointment does not address that issue........at all.

For me, generally, it's another poor appointment from the club. I actually like Robinson, he's a decent bloke, always looking to please others. But he is not the right appointment and Venky's, if they go down this route, will wonder why attendances are not rising and they're still losing money hand over foot.

[John]

Considering all these 'big names' have applied, Robinson would be a poor appointment, is that what we have come too - doesn't strike me like a top manager - also he is close pals with Brunskill I believe so there would be minor changes to the back room staff.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

  On 18/10/2012 at 20:02, my_name_is_Earl said:

It sounds as though you know what you're talking about. However, I would argue that Robinson is a bad appointment for several reasons. Firstly, he's from MK Dons, nothing to do with Paul Ince but he has never managed in the top two divisions. We need experience, a manager who knows how to get promoted and one that knows how to run a team under pressure. MK Dons have no such pressure.

Secondly, regardless of what we're told, do you honestly believe that Robinson will stand up for himself and ask Shebby what on earth he's doing buying all these random Portuguese players?

And lastly, will the fans be happy with such a low-key appointment? The fan base is on it's knees, the club needs an exciting appointment, one which the fans can rally behind and really support. Karl Robinson will be seen as another cheap option, one that will just be grateful he has a job at this level. I believe the idea of 'getting rid of Kean' (or at least pushing him out) was made purely from a financial point of view, this appointment does not address that issue........at all.

For me, generally, it's another poor appointment from the club. I actually like Robinson, he's a decent bloke, always looking to please others. But he is not the right appointment and Venky's, if they go down this route, will wonder why attendances are not rising and they're still losing money hand over foot.

Quick question - if Shebby is after a puppet manager why did he go after Sherwood ?

[my_name_is_Earl]

  On 18/10/2012 at 19:48, Kelbo said:

The question is, who are the owners backing, Shebby or Shaw?

Very curious about this. I believe it's Shebby although something tells me you're going to say Shaw which I don't understand why as his option, Holloway, has no chance of getting the job.

[roverandout]

i wont be behind robinson, in fact i would seriously consider handing back my season ticket,

as for shebby, he doesnt have the final say, who the cluck does he think he is? speccy bazza

[my_name_is_Earl]

  On 18/10/2012 at 20:05, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

Quick question - if Shebby is after a puppet manager why did he go after Sherwood ?

He thought Sherwood would accept the job without assurances. The reason for the delay is because Sherwood wants to speak to the owners and get assurances before he agrees. The thing about compensation is rubbish, it's all to do with Shebby making the move (which he knew would have to be accepted if Sherwood wanted to leave) and forcing Sherwood to make a decision. Sherwood so far has politely declined as he wants to meet the owners first which he is not being given the chance to, so far.

If Sherwood comes, he would absolutely be his own man but that doesn't mean that Shebby wouldn't prefer to have the major authority in the situation. I believe discussions are still ongoing, nothing to do with comp though, Shebby wouldn't have made the approach without knowing he can afford it.

[Rover down South]

If the bookies are to be believed then its a two horse race between Holloway & Sherwood. I know they are probably in the know as much as we are and their odds are possibly based on media coverage.

If it was out of those two, I think I'd be more than happy with either. Although Sherwood has no experience as manager, he has worked with/played under some very good managers. You could argue, that so did Ince, but just feel there is something about Tim Sherwood that could deliver what we need......promotion.

[roverandout]

but surely regarding holloway, the owners can overturn speccy's 'decision' and go with him anyway, speccy isnt the be all and end all, hes just an advisor

[my_name_is_Earl]

  On 18/10/2012 at 20:15, Rover down South said:

If the bookies are to be believed then its a two horse race between Holloway & Sherwood. I know they are probably in the know as much as we are and their odds are possibly based on media coverage.

If it was out of those two, I think I'd be more than happy with either. Although Sherwood has no experience as manager, he has worked with/played under some very good managers. You could argue, that so did Ince, but just feel there is something about Tim Sherwood that could deliver what we need......promotion.

Two horse race as both are first options for Shebby and Shaw. I'd be happy with either knowing that each would be their own man. I'd prefer Holloway but Sherwood has a good reputation and i'd rather have him over Robinson as he would manage the squad his way.

[Salgado Is A Hero]

  On 18/10/2012 at 20:02, my_name_is_Earl said:

And lastly, will the fans be happy with such a low-key appointment? The fan base is on it's knees, the club needs an exciting appointment, one which the fans can rally behind and really support. Karl Robinson will be seen as another cheap option, one that will just be grateful he has a job at this level. I believe the idea of 'getting rid of Kean' (or at least pushing him out) was made purely from a financial point of view, this appointment does not address that issue........at all.

But who would that be though? I can't think of one potential candidate who would please the vast majority.

Curbishley? "Been out the game for too long and might not be able to command enough respect"

Holloway? "Probably back down again as he can't organise a defence"

Shearer? "Basically no experience and seems fairly clueless"

Robinson? "Potential Ince mk 2"

McCarthy? "Probably back down again"

Sherwood? "No experience"

OGS? "No real English experience and always seemed like a guy who wouldn't hurt a fly, let alone shout at somebody"

Schuster? "No English expeience"

etc etc......The closest one would probably be Holloway but the ones who are wary of him have every right to be imo....we had almost 2 years of not being solid at the back, why appoint a manager who won't address this.......there will always be people who will be unhappy with the appointment......obviously I don't know who they expect us to get but it was the same with signings in the summer.....they're the kind of people who continuously mention how much of a joke we are,while simultaneously expecting to attract decent people to the club.

[roverandout]

i still think we will get holloway, the guy wants to come and his compo is cheap, common sense will prevail eventually

[John]

  On 18/10/2012 at 20:21, Salgado Is A Hero said:

But who would that be though? I can't think of one potential candidate who would please the vast majority.

Curbishley? "Been out the game for too long and might not be able to command enough respect"

Holloway? "Probably back down again as he can't organise a defence"

Shearer? "Basically no experience and seems fairly clueless"

Robinson? "Potential Ince mk 2"

McCarthy? "Probably back down again"

Sherwood? "No experience"

OGS? "No real English experience and always seemed like a guy who wouldn't hurt a fly, let alone shout at somebody"

Schuster? "No English expeience"

etc etc......The closest one would probably be Holloway but the ones who are wary of him have every right to be imo....we had almost 2 years of not being solid at the back, why appoint a manager who won't address this.......there will always be people who will be unhappy with the appointment......obviously I don't know who they expect us to get but it was the same with signings in the summer.....they're the kind of people who continuously mention how much of a joke we are,while simultaneously expecting to attract decent people to the club.

You make a valid point - it is a pretty average list of candidates, obviously no manager is perfect and is always a risk blah blah but it is a difficult decision IMO.